ITT: Films people dont seem to get

Everyone seems to think Travis is insane rather than just reacting to a society filled with scum. People cast him away because he is different and appears weird. He is the only person who is willing to do anything in a city that is void of personality and morals.

You literally were conned by Travis if you think that, or you're a psycho as well. Travis went out of his way to put himself near terrible people. He took routes other cabbies wouldn't despite opening the film complaining about the people that live on those routes. He sets himself up to be proven right about his negative outlook on the world

>city devoid of morals
How does a guy that wants to assassinate a senator to get back at a jilted lover the moral person in this film? What more do you need to see to show that he's crazy?

Shut up, retard.

It was the fucking Searchers.

He deserved the loli

I used to have this poster. Pretty dope but it makes you look mad gay when girls are around

He's using the wrong hand. See he is left eye dominant, so he needs to train to shoot with his left hand, even if his right arm is his strong arm. This is one of my favorite movies probably ever, but that picture triggers me, as well as when he does it in the movie.

t. /k/ faggot

Travis is the type of guy who would complain about SJWs, but browses tumblr all day.

Palentine was a false signal of hope that promised change but would never act. Whether he was disillusioned or not, he thought he was doing good. When he ralked to Palentine he could tell he was a phoney just like everyone else. All Travis wanted was love and Betsy also did but couldn't handle giving the same love back to Travis. Travis helped a random hooker get back to a healthy life. He did much more than others could ever say.

This

It's not black and white, it's just a perfect storm of circumstances that turn Travis into what he is, including deteriorating mental health (which is also from a number of different factors)

>complains about people not getting the movie
>doesn't get the movie

Travis never changed throughout the film. He only decided to do something about it when Betsy left him.

Is this true? I've never used a gun but I assume you could just tilt your head like Travis is doing in the poster so it's lined up. Having to use your off-hand or eye seems too big a hindrance.

if you didnt try so hard to relate Travis's struggle to your own, and end up idealizing him on the way you might've actually got the film
so Sup Forums?

I know he didn't, I'm not talking about over the course of the movie, I'm talking about over the course of his life

What is the film about then instead of making baseless assumptions about me?

>Whether he was disillusioned or not, he thought he was doing good
Everybody thinks what they are doing is good, otherwise they wouldn't do it. What kind of dumb fucking justification is this? Is Jeffrey Dahmer a good guy because he thought he was "doing good"?

>When he ralked to Palentine he could tell he was a phoney just like everyone else.
Because the guy was being fake-nice to some cab driver? I recall Palentine being more puzzled and put on the spot than rude to Travis. Killing Palentine would accomplish nothing, if he wants to change things he could have gotten involved in local politics or community organizations.

>Travis helped a random hooker get back to a healthy life.
To fuel his hero complex and create an excuse for "justified" violence.

>He did much more than others could ever say.
He could have taken a normal 9-5 job and done charity work in his spare time. Instead he put himself with the scum of the city then complains how scummy they are, isolated himself in order to cry about being lonely, and all the while bought guns and planned assassinations.

Yes it's true. In basic training they will make you learn to use the arm that compliments your dominant shooting eye, even if you've never used that arm for anything in your life. You'll never properly use a rifle sight trying to cock your head sideways. You can wing it with a pistol, but it will never be nearly as proficient has proper shooting posture. I know it's just a technical error because Deniro had probably never really messed with firearms before

>Everybody thinks what they are doing is good, otherwise they wouldn't do it

Not him, but that isn't true. Most people think they're doing the right thing, but there are people out there who know they're evil and in the wrong

>he does it in the movie
Really, when?

This is a very narrow look into his life and you are trying to distance yourself from Travis instead of trying to relate to him like everyone should try to do with everyone. Your claims are opinions on how a person should act based on your point of view so you are being hypocritical when you say Travis is doing so too.

>takes his date to a porno
Travis is borderline retarded.

More like self destructive

At the shooting range and I wanna say when he's sitting in his apartment finger fucking one and pointing at the TV. Pretty sure you can catch him do it at the end as well. There's nothing inaccurate about it or anything, just a small error on Deniros part. Some people shoot like that until they're corrected otherwise

this right here

travis made his own problems and used them to justify a false sense of righteousness over others, he failed to connect with people and blamed it on society

Fuck. I hope I won't notice that next time i watch it.

Do you guys think Travis actually served in the Marines?

I think he did but I could see why people would think he's lying

Oh I relate to Travis a lot. The sadness and self destructive mental behavior is very accurate, and even if you don't know that first hand Scorsese/DeNiro/Schrader makes him so incredibly sympathetic. That's what makes the movie so fantastic, you feel like you really understand this very atypical character

That said Travis is not a good person. You really have to jump through hoops to say that or take his POV in the film at face value

How is it all his fault he couldnt make a connection with Betsy? She wasnt happy with Albert Brooks but chose him over Travis because Travis was socially inept due to a lack of social life. She realized how great he was when she attempted to talk to Travis at the end but Travis decided to ghost her which was petty on his part.

It's not a big deal man only for gun autist. It might make you question his military background a bit tho, maybe he was just a super POG. Or maybe stolen valor? I dunno fuck now I'm going down the rabbit hole. Either way it's still TOP KINO

I'm pretty sure Paul Schrader says it's true.

When I first saw the movies I was under some impression he was lying since his war time was never brought up.

The end is all in his head lad

Am I on facebook right now?

I want to say yes but I feel like his sort of stand offish or complete lack of knowledge of firearms, means he had no experience unless he was some sort of rear D desk jockey or something. He would have still had some basic experience with an M14 or M16 at least, possibly a .45

I never said he was a "good" person just that he's not a complete psycho like people like to think.

Also it's confirmed in the movie but whether or not you believe it depends on if you think the ending is real.

He's dead broham. The end is fabricated. TOP TIER KINO

Proof? Not being a dick I just want your logic behind that claim.

how do you know which is the dominant eye

There's no denying that New York City in the 70's was filled with the scum and filth Bickle describes, but to act like Travis was some faultless saint/hero with perfect mental health is just beyond ludicrous

This is up for interpretation and I don't think even Scorsese knows the answer.

Different user here, but watch how the camera pans out from his body after he does the shooting. It's symbolic of his consciousness leaving his physical body. All hearsay, take it or leave it

He is though. Lots of people feel isolated and in a bad place without crafting violent fantasies and then jumping at he chance to act them out

Name one fault.

i can't read shit

That's just how I interpreted it

There's rarely a "right" answer when it comes to interpreting art though, different people take different things away from the same piece of art

He's self destructive and self loathing

it wasn't necessarily his fault as to why he couldn't make a connection, it's how he deals with the rejection that cements his character. he's bitter and only sees what he wants to see, if I recall he says something to the effect of "I thought you were different than them" when confronting her after she rejects him

travis sees himself in a bubble that can do no wrong, he can't empathize with other people because he sees himself as something different

Use your pointer finger and thumb on both fingers and make a square box you can look through, like a camera or picture frame. Now point it at an object in your room with both eyes open. Now close one eye and see if you can still see that object? Whichever eye you can still see the object in the little finger box you've made, will be your dominant shooting eye. Once you start shooting for many years you will use both eyes anyway, but you'll always lean on the dominant one for proper sight alignment, especially for rifles

He didnt want to be just a Taxi Driver like the old man said he should so he became something else. Not saying he was justified but implying that he was insane is kind of a stretch.

>show movie to two friends
>both of them rate them 0/10

I don't get it, i love taxi driver, i love how it shows the american hero myth and how it touch loneliness

>Travis Bickle, 26, has been a truck(?) driver for the last few months since he came to New York upon leaving the Service where he fought in a special forced unit in Viet Nam, it was learned from the president of the taxi garage where Bickle worked out of...

>baseless assumptions about me
>baseless
They're obviously based on your post and their own experience of the movie

I dont know man it seem like it would fit well if he lived.

He isn`t insane. Just extremely lonely.

people that think Travis is a role model should be put on a watch list

Cross your hands over one another but leave a small-ish hole for you to look through in the centre. Find something small to focus on (like the centre of a clock) and look at it through the hole in your hands while having your arms extended. Slowly bring your hands back to your face and the hole should come towards your dominant eye. Someone call out my b.s. if this is wrong

You claimed I idealized him. I never said such a thing.

My dominant eye according to your method is my right eye, however I have imperfect vision in it whereas my left eye vision is perfect. Should I still use my right eye even though it will be blurry?

Objective self-assessment and destruction of the false self is the highest aspiration of man. Try again.

>wants the rain to wash the streets clean
>jerks off in a porn theater

>it was learned from the president of the taxi garage where Bickle worked out of
So we still don't even know if he was really in the service.

>he doesn't realize that this is the motto of the movie

That's one of the points of the movie. He doesn't realize how close he is to the "scum".

Oh shit I forgot about this, you're right. I guess that piece of evidence can be struck off.

Insane as in mentally unwell, yes. See here , he has no sense of empathy, doesn't understand social discourse, delusions of grandeur, no self awareness, persecution fantasies, etc. All signs of one or more personality disorders or worse

I believe he thinks everyone is wathcing these movies for entertainment which would justify his view of people as scum and why he took Betsy there.

yes. If you were to shoot a rifle on your right shoulder you couldn't get a decent sight alignment

I like the fact that it's 40 years later and people are still debating whether or not bickle was a good guy

fuck taxi driver is great

Why did he go to watch a porno on his own then?

>clearly delusional at the end where he gets a happy ending rather than dying or being put in jail for murder

Nah, he'd gone by himself before.

If girls don't like porn, why are they in them?

...with your left eye. If you were to try to shoot it with your left shoulder, you couldn't get a proper sight picture with your right eye, your right eye is the one you should be using to align your sight picture to be true

Only thing he saw that was playing. Been out of society so long he thought it was a normal theater

I'm a different poster. Just saying what they obviously based their assumptions off of

That film is about loneliness, nothing beyond that is a main theme. Said by Scorsese himself

Is Falling Down pretty much a remake?

The opening scene is the best scene in the movie

>how's your driving record
>it's clean, like my conscience

He's a strong male role model who sticks to his ideas. That's admirable. In some cultures he'd be worshipped.

I think the problem is that most people can't understand the difference between understanding somebody, and maybe even feel a bit of sympathy towards him, and actually agreeing with him and thinking he's a good guy.
Someone else brought up Jeffrey Dahmer here. If you read his bio, you can see he was a poor motherfucker that had a very shitty life. That doesn't make him any less of a piece of shit at the end.

I hope you're just trolling, or too stubborn to admit you're wrong.

I like to think the ending is real, because there's fucktards like this guy out there that would make such an ending real.

I'm speculating faggot. You just want to be right so you trap yourself in a bubble of ignorance.

So you're just talking bullshit. I'm talking about what actually happens in the movie.

No you are speculating just like me

but I think it's still subtle enough to make the average movie goer think that travis was a misunderstood hero, it's hard to tell and can be argued, he's obviously deranged but in the end his insanity resulted in a "positive" action

it can be interpreted a million different ways and I think that's the most important aspects of a film

What's your major malfunction? Mohawks are cool, drugging little girls isn't.

*one of the (most important)

Actual film discussion and not just memes. Is Sup Forums saved?

Yeah, it's obviously not a preachy movie that presents things in black and white terms, but as you can see in this thread, the people that think (or at least, like to say) that Travis was actually a good guy are either morons or do all sorts of mental gymnastics to make the film fit their own preconceived ideas.
Like this guy

No, I am saying what happens in the movie. He goes to a porno, and he stays there to watch the movie. In no point he acts like he was uncomfortable, or that it wasn't what he expected to see there. He just stays there and watches the movie, surrounded by all the "scum" he hates so much.

have you seen the catalog?
capeshit, politics and racebaiting.

There's only 25 posters here.

Sup Forums of all places is naturally going to be filled with travis sympathizers

sometimes movies can hit too close to home

He covers his eyes dude

I never said the guys he killed are good guys.
I like the ending because it shows how a sociopath, violent guy can become a hero to the public eye, simply by killing the right person.

>25 daring young anons
>who dared to stand in solidarity against a sea of shitposting
>when capeshit filled the seas
>THIS SUMMER

Holy shit, I seriously hope you're trolling.

wtf I love Travis Bickle now!

and it's even more ironic because the very same day he was planning to murder the "wrong" person but chickened out

such a good fucking movie

If 99.999% of society is insane degenerate scum, and you're the only sane one, maybe you're actually the insane one after all. Or, maybe everyone is controlled by the Jewish cultural marxist NWO subversion agenda and you're the only one with a high quality water filter.