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So why did every monster ever decide to trap the doctor in the pandorica instead of just killing him?

Because if you kill him then you are no worse than he is

I'm guessing it's because timelords are more or less considered to be immortal and seem to be able to cheat death, despite how permanent it may appear, id est The Master. Stealing bodies, magic potions, gaudy rings, glowy snakes, etc.

Also:
>I'd Like to see them pick up at least a dozen more regular writers.
I think the way to start at that is to spin off some of the Doctor Who ranges to separate producers, and give them a lot of independence, and let them search for and commission new writers, train them up, and generally take whatever risks they want.

If some minor range flops, who cares? But if it succeeds, that's a bonus, and if it gets them new writers and directors that they can steal for other ranges, even better.

That's worked for them in the past, when David Richardson was just CC range producer instead of overburdened Alan Barnes 2.0, and when Nigel Fairs was doing Sapphire & Steel and one of the other new properties that they signed around that time that I forget.

Is Alec Hardy on the spectrum? I'm dead serious.

Never have seen broadchurch, but what tells. behaviors, symptoms do you think he's exhibiting?

Trapping Time Lords forever doesn't seem to be much more effective than killing them. The Master has been permanently trapped almost as many times as he's been permanently dead, and the Monk, and Salyavin, and so on.

But then I guess if they trapped him long enough that they could safely kill off his TARDIS before he escaped, that would be good enough, because then, even if he somehow managed to get a new TARDIS or whatever, it wouldn't be the one that asplodes the universe.

think about it like this, the alliances goal was to capture the doctor. They successfully managed that by working together.

If the goal was to kill them, who would get the honour of execution? eventually the alliance would fracture and they'd just wipe each other out.

at least with capturing him, they have a common goal,and noone gets to one up each other.

speaking of Alan Barnes, he's stepping down as main range script editor. Guy Adams is replacing him.

Looking forward to see how the range is gonna change.

I don't get it

Chronological user here, just started Crimson horror.

Stories are generally decent, Cold War is probably one of Gatiss's best.

JTTCotT sucked, retarded plot twist and generally weak plot, but top tier set design.

Locking one away has the advantage of being able to keep an eye on them I'd suppose. Since it was an either or Moffat probably went with imprisonment so he could could pull the doctor dying bit in lake silencio and not draw a direct comparison so soon i'd guess. /who/ nose.

>He's socially awkward to the extreme (even when he's trying to be nice it's awkward and forced)
>Has trouble making any kind of friends because he's cold and curt in his mannerisms
>Doesn't really get a lot of social queues and what might be appropriate (showing up in a suit with flowers, chocolate, and wine to a casual dinner at Ellie's, and doesn't consider it weird or fancy)
THIS ENTIRE FUCKING SCENE:
>"Why does everyone use first names so much, like they all work in marketing? Why do people insist on doing that? I mean, if you look at a person I look at you You know I'm talking to you. I don't need to say your name three times to congratulate myself on remembering it, to create some sort of false intimacy"
>All of his dates/flirting ends in super awkward disaster

Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but...?

I agree with Cold War. I remember /who/ talking a lot of shit about it but I enjoyed it.

Go away Edge.

Their plan would have worked fine; the only problem was that their other plan to create River Song screwed it up twice over—it's how the Doctor ended up with a vortex manipulator, and also how the TARDIS ended up blowing up the universe without the Doctor.

Which makes it a perfect Doctor Who villain plot. Every since at least the Mind of Evil, where the Master wanted to cause chaos at a peace conference with his insanity parasite and also wanted to blow up that same peace conference before the chaos could start, this has been the reason the villains lose at least half the time.

don't bully

Threadly reminder that Nardole left a big smelly shit in the Tardis toilet.

>Locking one away has the advantage of being able to keep an eye on them I'd suppose
But they didn't.

Reminder that Nardole is a genius and the literal key to all of this

Sounds pretty aspie to me. iktf.
I often wore suits to casual functions and surely awkwardly romantically gifted something. Pretty sure I'm going to do that this evening. I hate it when someone repeats my name in conversation once is a bit much especially immediately after I've said it. Like write it down if you don't think you can remember it.
Le Pandorica/Big Bang is probably my favorite finale.
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Well tbf the universe had assploded they had bigger problems like existing to begin with.

>write it down if you don't think you can remember it
Sometimes you think you might want to talk to a person again in the future, but you aren't sure enough to ask for contact information yet, and repeating their name is a way to remember it until you're sure one way or the other.

Well, it's supposed to be. It never works for me, but then I'm lucky if I can remember the name of my sister or my best friend or my girlfriend. I can't wait until I'm 70 and finally have an excuse.

>3.76

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>repeating their name is a way to remember it until you're sure one way or the other.
Yea I know what they're doing. It just personally annoys the shit out of me. It might be because it's usually someone in sales, trying to sell me something and it comes off to me as disingenuous and their tone/attitude is always a bit too familiar. Like if I come in to a store to buy a particular product and really want it, chances are if you say my name more than twice I'll turn on my heel and walk out idgaf. I don't like it.

>if I come in to a store to buy a particular product
Well, there's your problem. A website doesn't talk you to at all, which is much nicer than even the nicest salesperson. The only reason to go into a store is if you're buying something like produce or a synth and you need to see it or play with it before spending money on it.

I agree, but I've been trying to make it out more into the real world in general.

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>One of Dollard’s biggest strengths in her brief time on the show so far has been how aware she is of pressing social issues. With the show’s reputation as being progressive, this gives her a head start from the off. With a companion of colour, any trip to the past was going to require an astute writer to broach the topic in a sensitive manner. Dollard goes above and beyond and utilises this as a chance to offer a commentary on the cultural deletion of those who do not come from a position of social privilege. It’s incredibly to the point and cutting in its message reminding the audience that racism extends even into our religion such is the extent it has polluted society. Bill’s line about Regency England is extremely sad if you consider where that comment came from: the young girl growing up in a world presented to her in a way that erases her own cultural history. Of all the content the episode offers for discussion, this is by far the most important.

How the fuck did I know that literally everybody with half a brain would think that this is the best scene in the episode.

>With the show’s reputation as being progressive, this gives her a head start from the off.

As opposed to a head start from the end?
This is high school tier writing, trying to sound fancy and verbose while lacking common sense

Anyone who thinks's this moment is the pinnacle of Who/social commentary probably thinks at the same level of your average high schooler.

I think JTTCotT would have been improved if they'd cut out the salvage brothers subplot and made it a two hander about being lost in the labyrinth the TARDIS created.

>doctorwhotv.co.uk/12-notable-moments-from-thin-ice-84563.htm
The best scene in the episode is where Bill realises she can't get everyone off the ice in time, and decides to save the children.

It's the perfect callback to her discussion with the Doctor at the start of the episode about how he moves on even though people die, subtle but unmissable.

So many Doctor Who stories have tried to do something similar with a new companion, from Tegan to Clara, and the only ones that have succeeded are Evelyn and Hex in Big Finish. And both of them, while just as effective as Bill's, are a lot less subtle, and relied a lot more on great lines and great acting. Not that Dollard and Mackie can't pull that off, but the way it's structured, they didn't have to.

I'm surprised Dollard is the first person in 54 years of Doctor Who to think of dong it this way.

I don't even remember that scene.

The problem with SJW types is that they often overlook moments like this in favor of the overbeaing, wildly out of left field comments about how white people are evil. Thin Ice had some wonderful moments of character for both the Doctor and Bil, but they are almost completely overlooked (by both ends of the spectrum) in favor of gushing over/hating the shitty social commentary lines.

The time zombies still wouldn't be effective, because they're just mindless evil, so the "they're technically future us, but not in any interesting way" revelation doesn't make it any more dramatic or spooky.

The obvious way to make that work is to make them be recognisably Clara and the guest cast, having turned bitter and ruthless from spending decades in this hellish prison and being stymied by their own past selves.

Of course then it's just Time's Crucible minus the Ye Olde Gallifrey history bits and the unnecessary monster, but nothing wrong with that. If you're going to rip off a good novel, you throw away the unnecessary parts, not the parts that are the key to the whole story.

you're completely right.

as a side note, nightmare in silver isn't as good as I remember, but there's some good stuff, cyberbody horror (Detaching hands, rotating heads), and Smith is doing a good job in two roles.

also, the fat guys costume doesn't fit, pants are way to small.

But the Old Gallifrey chronauts are the most interesting part about TC, if you strip that out it's just a bunch of wandering around a surreal TARDIS-landscape

which gives you the anachronauts, which was ok, but derivative.

>The problem with SJW types
But Sarah Dollard is accused of being an SJW type, and I think she'd accept that label for herself, and she isn't like that.

Sure, there are some SJWs who are completely unable to look beneath the surface, and who even ignore the surface bits that don't fit into their dogma. But there really aren't that many, they're just the loudest and most obnoxious ones. Most people who believe in making society more just laugh at those people, or feel uncomfortable being on sort of the same side as them.

And the exact same is true on the other side. The idiots from Sup Forums who do the same thing aren't even a sizable minority of the right, much less of conservatives in general, they're just the loudest and most obnoxious ones.

And you can find stupid people like that in every realm, not just in the pseudo-politics of identity and race. There are idiotic kneejerk socialists and anarcho-capitalists and moderate no-liberals too.

The chronauts are mostly interesting because they're interesting characters, not because they were live in the days of the Pythia and occasionally make vague references to Rassilon's experiments.

At any rate, you're not going to make something as deep as any solid novel on TV, unless you adapt it as a 270-minute miniseries or something. But you can borrow elements that will work for TV, if you borrow the right ones. Borrowing the technobabble and the basic idea that the bad guys are the good guys' future, but both in an uninteresting way, is not the right way to do it.

Also, I realise that Thompson wasn't deliberately trying to adapt Time's Crucible; he was trying to redo and improve on the first half of episode 6 of Invasion of Time, and it may even be a coincidence that the plot he chose to hang that redo on was a retread of a novel he may not have even read. And I'm sure there are other plots that could have made it interesting too. It's just that, intentional or not, his plot is the boring version of a better plot that someone else already did, so it's pretty easy to find ways to improve it.

>page nine
Get it together, /who/

Night/who/ read the Veritas.

Won't you take a look user?

Better question, why did they build it so poorly that it could be opened with his sonic screwdriver?

Underrated.

But all it takes for killing the doctor is to shoot him twice.
And 11th panicked a whole season for it.

Yeah, I think that's the best way to lure in new writers. While some people wish for an open submission policy, they forget that the Doctor Who fandom has tons of freelance and aspiring writers. It worked for the VNAs because it was harder to mail your proposal and manuscript to them than it would be to email anything you want to a BF editor. The moment they turn that switch on, they'd get too many half-baked and overly long pitches and spec scripts that it would take forever to find the one good writer to recruit.

can you believe the wild journey we're going on (hopefully) next year? a new showrunner. its gonna be nuts. I can't even imagine what watching the first trailer will be like

I'd be more excited if Chibnall didn't have such a mediocre track record with Who. Still, it'll be interesting to have such a radical shift in the show, cus that's what it does best

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Also, fandom is much bigger than it was in the wilderness years. Plus, not all of fandom knew about the NA open submissions—you basically had to be on RADW, know somebody, or get on Virgin's mailing list—but nowadays everyone interested would find out.

Put that together with your point, and we're probably talking a slush pile 100x the size of what Peter Darvill-Evans had to deal with.

You're not a real Doctor Who fan if you haven't watched at least one recon, followed at least one comic story, listened to at least one BF audio, and read Veritas.

Redpill me on the Veritas lads

Briggs would have to hire an entire army of screeners to sift through that pile and filter out all the shit. For every kid who could be the next Shearman if recruited and mentored probably, there would be a hundred Luke Newmans, Phil Sandifers, Puzzlemaster Julios, and Claudia Boleyns to deal with, all waiting to give you their spec scripts and go on a massive fit online because their pitches and ideas weren't accepted while bitching about how Big Finish doesn't like their "experimental" ideas.

get
fuckin
hype

>tfw just excited for the fresh Chibnall memes

episode where the pangolin people contact the doctor to ask for help when

You really should read it yourself, I don't want to give you any spoilers.

Is TMA/TWF the ultimate pleb filter?
>waah they're just in one room talking to each other I want to see running down corridors

I feel like he's already getting to moffat levels memery

how many moff memes are there even? erasing from doctor who is the only strong one, I guess we had that chocolate quote too but the chocolate bandit stuff was always associated with gaiman instead

oh and smallfat, of course, lots of content there

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I worked as part of an army of readers at a studio for a year. We only looked at stuff submitted by reliable agents who thought we'd be genuinely interested, and still most of what we got was too crap to even consider sending up the chain. I can't even imagine how bad it would be with an open submission process.

I mean, Julio is entertaining if you're just reading 3 pages from 1 guy for fun, but reading full submissions from people like that all day long 5 days a week, you'd kill yourself pretty quick.

(Actually, maybe that's what Veritas is.)

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I unironically think it's the best NuWho opener

He had a formidable presence in the /who/nger games

What's the Chibnall equivalent of getting Moffucked?

Chibnailed?

chibcucked

>yfw the Veritas contains Chibnall's first script

chinballed

Heaven Sent probably beats it. If you're too stupid/clueless/inattentive to follow TMA/TWF, at least there's still Daleks with cool alien voices and death rays, crazy Missy, and companion banter. HS is just some old guy talking to himself and doing the same thing over and over.

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>#planeshavestopped
Defend this.

Good one.

Reasonably successful marketing for the show! How terrible!

>Reasonably successful marketing for the show
what?

It trended on real-life Twitter, which got people asking what that was about.

Poor defense.

Three words is too much for one hashtag
it should have been #frozenplanes or #airplanes or #stoppedplanes

Except it actually did trend in real life. So this is like explaining why Cameron's campaign was too lame to possibly beat Miliband.

aND I'M GONNA NEED EIGHT SNIPERS

can someone photoshop me a picture of a bunch of snipers to look like the eighth doctor pls

The weirdest thing about the hashtag is that Clara guessed exactly what it would be.

chronological user here,

just finished DotD.

It was pretty good, loved all the easter eggs.

The trending hashtag was after clara said it
clara memed it into reality

How'd you enjoy the big climactic scene?

It was comfy as fuck

it was great, loved seeing all the old doctors, but I'll never be able to unsee the scipt lying on the console.

on of the best moffat scripts in a while

I'm talking about in-universe, obviously.

I'm still amazed how quickly you're getting through everything

>the scipt lying on the console
wew what
do you have a screencap?

after I finished at the gym today, I just binge watched.

now at this point in Doctor Who. Theres no more Big Finish so it's really just the show at this point.

I'll probably be up to date at the end of the month.

I never thought I would say that.

I'm sure we can headcanon this into something acceptable

it's just a piece of paper that he took notes on for himself

Didn't moffat already head canon that in one of his ask moffat articles?

It's been 3+ years and this is my first time seeing this, incredible

I guess the Doctors really wanted to make an impression by syncing their conversation

>I'm sure we can headcanon this into something acceptable
Eleven has phonecall anxiety so he wrote down what he was going to say before he called the high council

He probably did, those articles are always so cheeky and great. Will "Ask Chibnall" be as GOAT?