I'm not sure what to think of this

I'm not sure what to think of this.

newsarama.com/29144-rebirth-green-arrow-writer-ollie-is-a-social-justice-warrior.html

Ollie was always liberal as hell so it makes sense.

This makes sense.

>I'm not sure what to think of this.
If you read comics you'd be like, "seem like this writer is gonna be writing Ollie like he has been since the 60's"

>Warrior
Check
>Wants justice check

Why can't he be? Aren't all heroes inherently social justice warriors?

There's inequality out there

Seems perfectly in-character. As long as he's smug as hell about it.

So he'a gonna sit on Twitter all day and whinge about titties in comic books?

Lots of people on Sup Forums don't so expect an abundance of Tumblr boogeyman shit in this thread.

No, Ollie is much more political than the average superhero

Try actually reading comics

Honestly I want to see him argue with Hawkman again

Do you idiots actually think social justice is about online shit?

"Social justice is the fair and just relation between the individual and society. This is measured by the explicit and tacit terms for the distribution of wealth, opportunities for personal activity and social privileges"

He always was insufferable.

>get your hate speech off our city

Ollie is actually doing something which makes him an actual social justice warriorand not a meme one who only ever use their mouth.

>Do you idiots actually think social justice is about online shit?

I think they know better but it's easy to shitpost about

>Oliver Queen campaigning for social justice
SHOCK! GASP! This cannot be! What next, Wonder Woman comics that explore feminist issues? Stop the fucking presses.

Seriously, people, why are you surprised that superhero comics often serve as platforms to explore sociopolitical issues? That's half the reason capes exist in the first place.

how young are you, OP?

She's never going to sleep with you.

Green Batman has always been a terrible character, this isn't news.

Green Arrow's natural evolution as a character from super liberal to super social justice warrior

Greatest friendship never explored.

Probably because non-issues become issues under "social justice" lenses.

>inb4 but those aren't REAL social justice warriors

"social justice warrior" refers to someone who was hyper aggressive and militant; who uses social justice as an excuse to bully others.
It's NOT just someone who wants equality.

Someone who isn't an asshole about it is a social justice advocate.

they both believe the ends justify the means, that killing is necessary/can be heroic

put them both in the justice league and they're the only ones with those opinions (aside from wonder woman, who only shares the latter)

Whoa, are we in the 70's again?

No, seriously, how is this news?

>white man with beard
yeah, that's pretty much what most SJWs are

Batman beats everyone equally, but he'd probably get called a rascist every time he hit a black thug.

We all know he only hates italians.

Green Arrow's always been an asshole about it.

SJW's are always smug as hell about it.

No. That is what it should be. What it is are self-declared victims crying about how opressed they are and how unfair society is and how wrong someone is for an expression they made as though they did it to intionally be malicious, who really don't do a damn thing to bring about the change they seek.

Rich white leftist.
Pottery.

Isn't this usual for Ollie?

why put such a shitty label on it?

>No, seriously, how is this news?
Do you really think Sup Forums reads comics? Most people here just shitpost and whine about "muh tumblr boogeyman"

Percy is clearly unaware of the connotation the term has taken on.

Yeah...

You think this guy chose "Social Justice Warrior" just to cause a fuss and get clicks?

Indeed.

Being called a SJW isn't a good thing nowadays.

The goatee is back!?

For all you people saying that it makes sense, I think you are missing the point. Things have changed - it is about context.

Grell's Oliver Queen was quite liberal but also very brutal. Conflating his old position then we more modern ideals of social justice is like comparing fruit to a car. A liberal in one day might be a conservative tomorrow. The injustices he thought then are different to what many social justice people fight for today.

I loved Grell's Green Arrow. This annoucement? Well, we will just have to see how it goes. I am not very hopeful. I enjoyed Lemire's brief run on Green Arrow but I feel like there are very few creators out there with ideas for it.

This just seems like another move to drum up some semblance of interest in a character with a show that is increasingly rocky and a not very good recent foundation.

Social justice is the same as feminism. It ignores actual injustice in third world countries because it's much easier to invent issues and "combat" them at home, in a cozy developed society. Only fucking retards believe there's social privilege that stems from anything else but money. As for existing issues like taxation and such, I don't see any sort of educated opinions on the subject. Only bullshit that sounds like something from 1922 Russia.

Because social justice and democratic socialism are to justice and democracy what the Democratic people's Republic of North Korea is to a republic. Social justice is inherently unjust because it seeks to forgive people of crimes because they are poor or gay or black while punishing straight, white, rich, and men who haven't committed a crime

He will kill white people .

It's probably just clickbait. I doubt they are using the term the same way you would use it. He's probably not shooting people in the head for manspreading on the subway.

Newsarama thanks you for your clicks.

What's with the faggy bow they keep giving him?

Longbow Hunters more like Compound Amateurs lmao

it's the natural progression of his character
he's grown to be super liberal to counter Batman's heavy right wing values

THANK YOU! Since GG though, this is what the mainstream Internet thinks it fucking means.

That's not justice, that's social Marxism

Sounds fine to me. This is who the character has always been really. It will be interesting to see how far off the tumbler edge he goes though.

Regardless, this is the right character for that.

>he's grown to be super liberal to counter Batman's heavy right wing values

You mean Hawkmans.

"My chosen name is Olivia Queen. After years of living a lie in hell, I returned to my preferred gender as a demi-genderflux female with only one goal: to save my city from the patriarchy. But my old approach wasn't enough. I had to become someone partially female, I had to become something partially male. I had to become... the Green, Red, Orange, Yellow, Blue, Violet, and Indigo FemArrow!"

>SHITLORD, YOU AND YOUR MICROAGGRESSIONS HAVE FAILED THIS CITY!

You have a very cartoonish view of what democratic socialism is.

It's not about punishment or reward. It's abput the fact that what rich and poor people are capable of is not equal, and that you can't pretend a free market by itself is just.

I would really like to see a Green Arrow storyline where he becomes a kind of Che Guevara figure, travelling from country to country helping the locals rise up against despots.

Something something something ethics in bow wielding

underrated post

>This just seems like another move to drum up some semblance of interest in a character with a show that is increasingly rocky and a not very good recent foundation.
Ir, as they've repeatedly said about Rebirth, it's about bringing back classic elements of characters and the world that people loved but were so far missing since the reboot.

He says Batman because he's a casual.

Honestly, if this somehow results in Schmidt giving Dinah a cock I'll be happy

Grell GA deals with this to an extent after a botched job lands him as a terrorist for a while and he's out of the country.

Democratic socialism is a form of slavery just as all socialism is a form of slavery.

This. Even people who support a true free market admit that it isn't fair. The invisible hand is more than just where you shop and who you buy from.

When you really think about it, no modern superhero can be progressive or even liberal, because as works of fiction they always maintain a status quo, which is inherently conservative.

>Ir, as they've repeatedly said about Rebirth, it's about bringing back classic elements of characters and the world that people loved but were so far missing since the reboot.
What they have said and what they will do are completely different things.

The modern Green Arrow has been very tainted by the show trying to make a younger sleeker version of the character who was, in my opinion, best when middle aged.

Important to note that this isn't an announcement. They took a line from the preview and made a headline out of it. It's not like Percy or DC is the one pushing the narrative, no one is out to prove something here.

Just and fair are too different things. Socialism is not just because it forced people into slavery

And then there are terms like "wage slave." No one is truly free because anyone can find slavery in everything.

Same per usual

His beard is now ironic

It was /never/ a good thing. It existed in fandom circles since around 08. It was sarcastic term used by left-wing people to call out the toxic extreme ones, that pervert the cause of "social justice" into extreme hate and bullying. It's only post 2014, that it get refers to anyone even slightly left of the political spectrum/those who talk about social justice issues.

All that's caused now is a whole bunch of cross-purposes, because people don't know what definition you mean when you use it. "SJW" now means many different things to many different people.

>Shitshow

He's more of a Social Justice Ranger

>by the show
That had nothing to do with the show, that was just every character in New52

>What they have said and what they will do are completely different things.
Rebirth hasn't even come out yet. This is the first preview we've gotten of GA. You know knothing about what they're going to do other than what they said they're going to do.

he always seemed to care a lot about stuff that doesn't really matter.

>people reading Green Arrow at all ever
>mfw

Cue all the fake comic book bros that will get their panties in a twist over this because of their witch hunt mentality.

I'm not going to convince you.
Property is robbery.
Telling me to shut up is censorship.
Stop raping me.

Hal pls.

yeah but it's probably no coincidence that Amanda Waller was made young and slimmed down when they were doing the same on the Green Lantern film.

>That had nothing to do with the show, that was just every character in New52
The direct of the comic has changed thought, in part due to the show.

Yes I know. I haven't said I know what will happen. It is an assumption partly based on past experience.

Basically. I mean, Ollie has always been my favorite, and it's exactly because of that. He's the conscience of the Justice League, but man...do you ever HATE telling him that he's right because he will never let you forget it.

Only when it came to adding Diggle who was entirely different from his show character. Kreisbergs run was just him trying to ape his own show and everyone ignores that hot garbage

Only for a few issues because they literally got a guy from the show to write it. Percy's GA is nothing like the show. He's a fucking werewolf right now.

Doesnt it make sense for Ollie to be an SJW if thats the case? Shouldnt he be getting progressivly more liberal as time goes on. He would seem more moderate if he still belived in the ideas he had during Grell's run

Wage slaves aren't a thing. You signed a fucking contract. You voluntarily agreed to work that job for that contract. No one is forcing you to do anything

Where as in socialism you are forced to spend part of your day working for free to pay the state. People are forced to take jobs they don't want because the state requires it, where as in capitalism people would only take a shitty job if there was proper compensation

They met in such a classic Green Arrow/Hawkman way. With Carter smashing him in the face with his mace.

i`m glad i stopped reading DC and marvel last year

Forgot to add "taxation is theft" to the list of "I don't like it so it's suddenly something else."

>fuck you hal. You disagree with me and you're a cop so you must be a nazi!"
Ollie was a ultra liberal socialist.
Does any have that comic where Hal calls out his bullshit for shiting on billionaires when he fact is one?

It's pretty frustrating to see the slippage of a once-useful term.

Good thing you never read them in the first place

Don't lie, you never read comics.

Yep. He got it back when he caught werewolfism.

dc what the hell are you doing?

What do you mean people are forced to take jobs they don't want? Wouldn't the same thing happen in capitalism, but because you have to survive?

>mfw

Some people just straight up like to eat shit, user. They also watched his terrible show LMAO.

Writing Green Arrow in character?

>Doesnt it make sense for Ollie to be an SJW if thats the case?
Well I believe it doesn't.

If you want to go back to the roots that made him them fighting injustice is a big part of it. But the kind of injustice described under the modern connatations of social justice is not the same as what Grell Arrow fought.

Also I think we should remember how challenging Grell's Green Arrow was. Not just about the politics but the killing and depictions. What about the abuse suffered by the Black Canary?

The difference is: the old Green Arrow challenged ideas. Making the new Green Arrow agree with them is different. One is about creatively thinking about things, challenging preconceptions. The other is about vacuum chambers.

Well I mean he is a fucking hippie.

>the social contract is tantamount to slavery

Fuck you and fuck Ayn Rand.

Why doesn't Ollie buy the apartment building and pay for the repairs, and give everyone free rent? Why is he harping on Hal, and calling him a Nazi?