Season 2 Was A Mistake: The Shows

Season 2 Was A Mistake: The Shows.

Don't group DD with the Flasher.

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>Season 2 Was A Mistake: The Shows.
I'm waiting...

Red Batman season 2 was okay. The whole Elektra/Hand stuff was handled poorly and should have been either a secondary plot or its own five episode miniseries with Elektra as the main character. Other than that I'd say everything was great.

Parts of DD season 2 were bad but overall it was decent.

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Fuck off. Elektra stuff wasn't as strong as Punisher stuff but that doesn't make it bad. I also actually enjoyed watching it unlike Flash S2.

And we got Punisher series out of it

I think it's less that it shouldn't have been there, it's just that it should have been better. For instance, Nobu, who seemed like a middling boss in the first season, not necessarily the leader of the entire Hand, is now the big bad. We're not informed of whether he leads the whole thing, but we see no one more important the whole season, and not only that, he remains flat, even more one note than in his minor Season 1 appearance. Then, there was some stuff about his attitudes toward battle and respect for his opponent, but now he's just kind of an obstacle, making him a huge step down from Fisk.

The Hand's mythology as well was poorly explained, and many elements introduced this season had no resolution, in fact, nothing really had any resolution, given the final scene with Elektra's body.

An what the heck was with how stealthy the Hand ninjas are supposed to be for Daredevil? Seriously?In season 1, when Nobu hid from Daredevil, it made sense, but this? He can pickup images around him by feeling heat and air currents on his skin, but somehow he can't sense the guys right in frot of him if their footsteps are quiet, or they're breathing softly.

And what's with the costume downgrade? Nobu wore a kickass red Hand Ninja suit in Season on, and now we just get skintight black. It's garbage. I actually wanted more Hand stuff in Season 2 after seeing Season 1, but that's because I thought it would be handled the way it was in Season 1. Disappointing.

I want my Constantine back..

DD should have been the Punishest all season

Poor Nobu

Daredevil season 2 was great until the last two episodes, at which point the quality dropped like a fucking rock.

The ending of the Frank plotline was worse than all of the the dumb ninja shit combined.

But Nobu isn't the big bad user, its that shirtless dude that looks huge in S1. Nobu was the big bad in this one to show off the whole immortal warrior aspect of The Hand. I agree with most if your points though, maybe the hand and black sky will be better explained in S3.

I've seen both and some episodes of S2 Flash have been more hype and enjoyable than any of the episodes in Daredevil S2.

Are you talking about Stone? He's not a villain at all.

Are you talking about Stone?

My biggest problem with both season 2's is that the main villain is a big step down from the previous ones. Past that, they're fine. Certainly not mistakes.

No, the Hand's never really had a leader villain that's stuck. Like ever. Even when Elektra was in charge it felt weird.

Both seasons have pretty bad pacing problems. Their main plots drag on for way too long for contrived reasons and you end up not caring anymore when they do accomplish something so they can move forward.

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Flash S2 has had a lot of misses but it's still great. I just think they wrote themselves in a corner with yet another Speedster villain mentor.

This. The only saving grace for me is Fisk's scenes and the set up for Born Again in Season 3

What about Gotham? i just watched the first season, how it's now?

Is Barry dead?

Born Again in Season 3? i think it's too soon

Fisk is getting out of prison soon and he's gunning for Nelson and Murdock, Karen's past has been brought up multiple times and she knows who Matt really is now, Elektra's already dead, Bullseye is out there and so is Nuke. They've already laid the groundwork, the question is if they'll do it this season or next. We've still got a Punisher series and the Defenders to come, we'll see how quickly that moves things forward with Matt.

Course not.he's just stuck in the Speedforce.

What happened to Stone, anyway?

S1 played him up as Stick's superior.

But he's only had like one appereance in the series. Maybe they'll write him like a bad guy on this one?

Maybe it'll end up being the same in the series.

Fisk really doesn't need Karen to spill the beans on Matt to want to destroy Matt's life. And I doubt they'll allow Karen to become crack addict and porn star because women aren't allowed to be weak and wrong.

>But he's only had like one appereance in the series. Maybe they'll write him like a bad guy on this one?
Why would they? They hypothetically could, but there's no reason to think they would.

>And I doubt they'll allow Karen to become crack addict and porn star because women aren't allowed to be weak and wrong.
No, it's more like that the character doesn't seem to be going in that direction. (But who knows, right?)

I'm sure the show that's as chocked filled with as much gore and violence isn't unafraid to be a bit offensive.

It kinda seems like she was there before, because everytime they bring up her passed she gets shifty and fearful. Like in season two when the editor showed her the files Ben had on her she looked like she was about to cry, but then he said that Ben didn't care about that and neither does he

Karen Page simply can't act, she is consistently awful.

>Red Batman
Confirmed for never reading Daredevil

their costumes are pretty cool

What was wrong with it?

1.) The ridiculous coincidence of Frank's commanding officer and only contact from the trial being the Blacksmith who is both tied to the Hand plotline and responsible for Frank's family's death

2.) All that build up for Frank finally getting the skull and full gear, and all he does in the last episode is shoot two ninjas that Matt was already beating up and then leave. I barely even realized he did anything by the time he left.

Oh the ironing

>Frank gears up
>big fucking gun
>"oh shit, he's gonna mow down some damn ninjas!"
>lol no jk
I'm still a little upset

god i fucking hate that costume

I think they ran out of money.

They did make him a villain in the Elektra movie, and we all saw how that turned out

Post yfw Fisk showed up

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For me Flash season 2 is much worst then season 2 of DD (and season 2 is still grate). Because they didn't do such a stupid thing like Barry giving up his powers when he's stronger the Zoom and Wally is safe. I'm still angry. Next up is a Felicity episode.

Predictions for how flash season two will finish off Zoom:

1. They plug him so full of velocity drugs his head turns inside out and he explodes into speed force

2. Wally vibrates through him and he explodes into pieces.

3 . Caitlin shoots herself in the heart, making Zoom explode into a paradox (if it worked once before...)

4. Barry does some speed force trick/uses a Cisco Gadget to drain all of Zoom's speed. Freezing him forever. he then explodes

My actual guess is they pump him full of velocity drugs, meanwhile Caitlin threatens suicide from somewhere far away. Now Zoom races to save her, but with 3+ speedsters intercepting him, he has to push his speed too high and explodes into speed force

>The high points of both seasons are the appearances of Fisk and Letscherbard/Wellsobard.

POTTERY.

Me too, but your shit Constantine media keeps getting in the way of good Hellblazer stuff.

This, as bad as Flash can get at least is not DD

Punisher's story arch finale wasn't neither a finale nor a coincidence, we're going to find out more of why it happened and what it had to do with that disc. You plebes really don't know how story seeding works do you?

How was it not a massive coincidence?

> muh DC

>The sequels will be better!

You don't have an origin story whimper off like that.

Because Clancy Brown's character apparently wanted him there to get killed at the park for either not joining in with their little group, or for having the incriminating data disc, or for reasons we've yet to learn. Did you even listen to their dialogue after Frank runs a car into him?

They're setting the ground work for the continuing drama in a future series.

>2.) All that build up for Frank finally getting the skull and full gear, and all he does in the last episode is shoot two ninjas that Matt was already beating up and then leave. I barely even realized he did anything by the time he left.
I was kinda disappointed too, but it IS Daredevil's show. Frank had plenty of ridiculous badass scenes, he doesn't need to steal the finale as well.

I honestly don't even think it was that bad for a stand alone cut and dry conclusion (even though it arguably isn't), maybe a little rushed without it being dragged over six episodes, but I honestly thought it was kind of clever. The only problem with DD S2 was it lacked the pizzaz that the first season had in its finale.

That wasn't the end of his origin story, the conspiracy is still unraveling as implied by that disc he gets from his home.

How is he wrong?

Because DD S2 was godtier even for some of its faults.

Season 2 of Gotham is way better than Season 1, and I loved Season 1.

It really wasn't. You're just a delusional MCUck

>Because Clancy Brown's character apparently wanted him there to get killed at the park
How does that make any sense? Frank going to the park wasn't something Frank was told to do by anyone else, or something the Blacksmith could have known long enough in advance to schedule the 3-way meeting.

Heroes.
Just...Heroes.

It's still the end of that plot thread on this show. Having 2/3 of a season revolve around a plot thread that only gets concluded in a different show is awful storytelling.

>Season 2 Was A Mistake: The Shows.

I don't watch Flash, but DD season 2 was a ot funner than the last season. Hell I loved everything about it, even the shoehorned ninja bits, because you bet your ass Stick makes everything fun.

Says the company war fanboy

We've yet to find out apparently, ergo the disc in the picture.

It was a pretty satisfactory conclusion for the little taste they gave us.

The first four episodes of DD S2 were good enough that I really can't consider the whole season to be a failure.

Stick's a jackass who needs multiple punches to the face.

And he gets those various times through this season. I'm sorry but DD season 2 wasn't bad. Far from it.

>We've yet to find out apparently, ergo the disc in the picture.
You're assuming it wasn't a coincidence when there's no plausible way it wasn't.

>It was a pretty satisfactory conclusion for the little taste they gave us.
Frank popping up, shooting two inconsequential henchmen from offscreen, and then leaving isn't remotely satisfying.

> You're assuming it wasn't a coincidence when there's no plausible way it wasn't.

So that disc was just there for no reason?

> Frank popping up, shooting two inconsequential henchmen from offscreen, and then leaving isn't remotely satisfying.

It's the Daredevil show, not Frank time, while it would have been killer for a bigger blow out finale with the Punisher it wasn't necessary and would have presented it's own issues with storytelling and setting the tone for the next season.

Really it just seems like you're flipflopping between two ambiguous points trying to treat it like it's own terrible flaw.

The disc doesn't suggest any connection to the death of Frank's family. And as I've already mentioned, there's no plausible way his family's death could have been planned.

Stealing DD's thunder isn't necessary for a conclusion better than what we got. It was so inconsequential that you could cut those five seconds out and no one would even notice.

Season 2 of DD fell so hard. The blacksmith shit was so out of left field and had no buildup to it. The final fights was shit and Punisher was wrapped up weakly. It felt super rushed and dragged the entire season from a great to an okay.

Then what was the disc for?

mfw I enjoyed DD S2 start to finish.

ITT: DD S2 wasn't perfect so that means it's AWFUL FOREVER!!!! REEEEEEEEE!!!

>says the overly defensive MCUck

It could be anything, but there's nothing suggesting anything to do with the park massacre.

It's almost certainly related to Microchip, who Frank will probably utilize as a resource.

They're just trying to avoid Arrow's fate by sacrificing S2 to make the rest better

That's the logic Sup Forums is applying to S2 of "The Flash".

The Punisher stuff was good.
The ninjas and Elektra stuff was bad.
So the show is only half bad.
The ratio on The Flash is more than half bad because they aren't using Eobard at all.
I still like Flash though.

If you want to see the real "Season 2 was a mistake" material, watch Human Target.
;_;

I still find it hilarious that Elektra's entire character arc in the third act is her angst over being the Black Sky, but they still haven't explained what the fuck the Black Sky actually is. It would be like if they never actually explained what the fuck a Jedi was in A New Hope. You can't base an emotional arc on a vague mystery, you're building a mansion on a foundation of sand.

It's actually a good cousin to the Flash S2 issue of Zoom basically being the season MacGuffin because they refused to give him any character at all until the reveal. TV writers need to realise that LOST is over, we don't need you to jerk us off with season-long mystery that serves no purpose. Just write a fucking story.

S2 of The Flash isn't "not perfect", it's downright bad.

Don't remind me man, talk about the blunder of the fucking century.

>character literally named Poochie

I wish there was no mystery with Zoom at all.
I wish he was just Michael Myers with speedforce. He wasn't a very good villain before, but now he's downright comedic in how evil he is.

They should have had Kirigi for Season 2 instead. They said they almost used Kirigi instead of Nobu for Season 1.

So is Daredevil's.

>pic

Are you trying to say my waifu is some sort of blunder?

>frank walks into weight yard
>see fucking 500lbs getting benched

oh shit

>Implying that's a bad thing

"I love being evil" Hunter is way more fun than "I'm slowing to a crawl and I must speed" Hunter.

9 and 10 were the best episodes of season 2 by a country mile because of Fisk. Please have him back as the main for season 3

Remember when we thought it was Barry's Earth2 dad?
Man that was interesting. Could have really sold the doppelganger drama.

No, I was just using her expression for emphasis. I have no issue with Emily Thorne: Agent of CIA.

All of his sub-Frankenstein's-Monster shit with Caitlin makes me want to swallow glass.

>YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE WHO UNDERSTANDS ME CAITLIN

>mfw

I find that just as ludicrous if not more so an assertion than than the Blacksmith being pure coincidence.

No it sin't.

ITT: "If Flash Season 2 was bad then DD Season 2 has to be bad too!"

So what was the deal with Stick wanting to kill Elektra?

>adopt girl who you know to be a Black Sky (whatever the fuck that means)
>she kills someone in self defense
>"no don't worry she's just a confused girl I can handle her"
>"don't worry Ellie I'll protect you even if it means fighting my own homies"
>train her to be a ruthless killer to fight in your war
>years later send her to team up with Daredevil
>she decides she likes Daredevil more and doesn't want to kill for you
>"she is TOO DANGEROUS. SHE MUST DIE"

That was a bit out of character, yeah, he was trying to prevent her from falling into the hands of the HAND, but still.