Am I the only one who thought he was a great villian?

Am I the only one who thought he was a great villian?

he wasn't a god
he wasn't a robot
Just a man. an angry determined manipulative man. Who was much closer to victory than Loki or Ultron ever was.
he didn't die either.

he was pretty good. I hope they use him again and not just kill him off. Like Crossbones


>inb4 not muh Zemo
fuck off with your super glue

He was fine, just not a supervillain which I guess people were expecting for some reason? The movie was already pretty busy with such a large cast, dunno why some people wanted even fucking more out of him, this was nice and neat and wasn't some retarded "kill Batman or I'll rape/kill your mommy" shit.

I hope we see more of him. Best MCU villain so far.

His whole plan hinged on Steve not telling Anthony about his parents. Not a good plan.

I thought he was just as manipulative as Zemo has always been. He's definitely more sympathetic than traditional Zemo, but still badass. What I find interesting was all the early reviews saying he was barely in the film or that he was just like Lex in BvS. Then you watch the film and see he appears throughout the movie and is clearly the villain and has a major presence and is operator as fuck murdering anyone in his way. He may not have the sword yet but his bitterness and keikakku were classic Zemo.

he did great imo.he didnt had much screen time in the movie but it was effective.no suit is a bummer.

He might actually be my favorite MCU villain (behind Loki probably) strictly because of how low key he is plus the long term damages to the team he actually manages to cause.

Wasn't his plan a bit over complicated? Why did he need to lure them in the Russian bunker? Couldn't he just send Tony the tape right after they captured Bucky?

Main problem was that his name was Zemo

He only arrived at the Hydra base for a few hours when Cap arrived so I don't think he quite had the time to do much, plus he probably wanted to get Cap and Stark as alone as possible so the other Avengers wouldn't stop them killing each other. Whatever their reasons for fighting they were kind of always pulling their punches to some degree because they weren't trying to hurt each other at the airport.

>What I find interesting was all the early reviews saying he was barely in the film or that he was just like Lex in BvS. Then you watch the film and see he appears throughout the movie and is clearly the villain and has a major presence and is operator as fuck murdering anyone in his way.
i thought the same. i was asking myself if people were just nitpicking because they didnt wanted to look like marvel dick rider. he did better than most other MCU vilains beside loki and yellowjacket and they treat him like he was rohan.
but did it worked?

Zemo needed them alone to ensure Tony would have the least opposition from losing his shit. All the guards and superheroes around when Bucky was captured would have convinced to kill his hate boner for a moment.

>Best MCU villain so far.
Which isn't saying much

He felt like a return to Nicieza's Zemo, which I am more than okay with.

Quiet frankly the Hydra shit that got inflicted on comics Zemo after Nicieza left was the worst thing to happen to the character.

Yeah, most MCU villains really sucks.
Stane, Blonsky, Pierce, Zemo, and maybe Loki are the only decent villains we've had so far.

At least Mads Mikkelsen looks like he might be cool in Doctor Strange.

>closer
he actually won you idiot

he was definitely great.
tony and cap will never, NEVER, feel the same about eachother.
he turned half the avengers into criminals.
he won.


its going to take a big purple guy in the sky to bring them together.

didnt he won? none of the leaders died but the team is fractured at least until IW

And after that, they'll part ways most likely.

If Russos stay true, this will be a big victory.

After Winter Soldier and Civil War I have complete fate in the Russos. They'll make the Avengers movie franchise Great Again.

>discount Lex Luthor
>MUH REVENGE
>lol an over complicated plan that needed so many coincidence to work that's impossible but who cares I watch these movies for the quips!

Agreed. I hope the executives don't try to force them to be all happy again. It'll destroy all tension amd build up that Civil War did.

He was great. I don´t know why the people say "not muh Zemo"

>Muh family
>Muh costumes and make ups
>Muh ruses
>Muh hateboner for Cap

>he turned half the avengers into criminals.
Half the Avengers would have been criminals without him

Yeah you don't know what you're talking about

>implying they're not going to be all chummy again by IW

hell, I felt Cap extend an olive branch during the letter and Tony is clearly done doing to Ross' bidding

Not really. Cap was mostly reluctant and if the bombing never happened, the signing would have happened and he probably would have just disappeared.

So? They were defeated by Zemo in Civil War.

>implying they're going to be alive by the end of IW

Same thing really

If it was irreparably broken maybe yeah but nobody died and it already looks like their relationship(s) are on the mend.

Zemo got real close. Closer than any Avengers villain ever has. But his victory was fleeting at best.

>implying Thanos won't subconsciously wish them alive again because he secretly a giant pussy

Steve didn't know bucky did it but suspected he did. That's why he says he didn't know it was bucky but because Iron Man is so full of rage he doesn't care and accuses him of lying then steve admits he had strong suspicions.

Even if they succeeded here and Zemo was taken in the Avengers would still be pretty fucked up, Tony wouldn't just go shut the prison down because he can't as he is still the UN's bitch. Most of them would still be in Wakanda with Black Panther.

It felt like his plan could adapt on the fly to me, I mean, he couldn't have known Black Panther would suddenly realize that revenge is not the answer.

Only the Cap tried to not condemn his friends for all eternity and did the prison break but Zemo's victory was total.

Everyone is on the run outlawed by the whole world minus 20 countries, Rodhey crippled, Bucky armless, Wanda hates them all specially Vision, the one or two that stayed at base are now government bitches.

a total victory for Zemo would have been Cap or Stark killing the other

>closer
It was absolute and total.

An argument can be said for Cap morals but that's it. They are not gonna die yet ofc there are still movies pending.

I don't recall Cap or Tony murdering each other, so no total victory for Zemo

>>inb4 not muh Zemo
>fuck off with your super glue

It's a shame he wasn't a glue maker in the movie. The best glue maker in all of Sokovia.

Remember this are movies targeted at kids and lower, the "good guys" have to prevail.

The fact there is a "wrong kind of motivation" should give you a hint is total fantasy.

Zemo never said they needed to kill each other, just go against each other and tear each other part which he did.

Good because Zemo wanted to destroy them not kill them.

Wonder if he is gonna team up with Thanos

Yeah, from the martin freeman scene, I'm sure he felt that it would be ezmode if either one of them died.

Only if he gives him the mask,

I think Loki will end up working with Thanos in a roll like Mephisto, and that will be Hiddleston's way out of the MCU as well.

Zemo will come back after IW leading the Thunderbolts.

Oh I almost forgot he was in this movie.

fractured yes

IDK about broken. need to see how big the rift is between the two groups in coming movies

Fractured is a good word. Still, some damage has been done and his exchange with Ross implies there is more in store with Zemo later on.

And because this is the last film available so far, then yes, they are defeated.

I don't trust Disney with MCU villains

worried for Zemo

My only concern is they let the Russos continue down this darker tone and call the shots so to speak. If the executives start trying to move back to their formula, or wanting a happy everything is fine, kill off all villians shit then I would be worried also.

>Fractured is a good word.
Almost like there's a Schism between them

Loki has already failed Thanos. If anything Thanos barges into Asgard and wrecks him before stealing the Tessaract.

He was a great villain but he might as well have been an original character

How is Zemo going to drink that wine?

If they put him in later movies he can become a more comic accurate Zemo.

How will later movies change his past

>Muh family
>Muh keikaku
>Muh avengers/cap hate boner
He has enough common themes to accurately be labeled Zemo, mask or not.
I'm fucking sick of people claiming a decent character isn't so just because they're not written/portrayed the exact same way as they were in 'so-and-so's run'.

I didn't say he wasn't a decent character though. I quite liked his character.
But he was still basically an original character masquerading as Zemo.

Watch the TV shows; Wilsonm Fisk, Purple Man, Grant Ward, Cal and Hive are great

Seen all of them, but it just feels wrong to count them as part of the MCU when they function more as the "Expanded MCU".

By the sounds of it you're the only one who tread the comics.

>Purple Man
>great
You have no taste.

>Yano posting on my Sup Forums

>But he was still basically an original character masquerading as Zemo.
Comic Zemo is a clusterfuck of different characters. Frankly he never needed to wear a balaclava in Civil War because he was an obscure person. Why would he want to wear a mask everywhere when people don't even know who he is? That would just draw attention. For most of the film he took advantage of the fact that he LOOKS like a normal civilian.

>who cares I watch these movies for the quips!

That's not a real argument

Movers

>Am I the only one who thought he was a great villian?
I like that he was effective without being melodramatic. I think this speaks to an underrated facet of villain writing. Most people think "villain" means over-the-top.

>>inb4 not muh Zemo
On a serious note, how many iconic Zemo runs are there? Eh, whatever the case. I liked Remender's Zemo on his short-run.

Dunno. Honestly, he seemed like a fucking pussy that cannot understand that, in war, shit happens and civilians unintentionally die.

Tony Stark created Ultron though. Everything that happened to Zemo's family was on him.

REMOVE

AVENGER

Make Sokovia great again

Remender's Zemo was awful. Just continuing the trend that Brubaker and Hopeless started of completely throwing away all the character growth he had during Thunderbolts.

Brubaker's Zemo at least made sense in that hearing Bucky is back and working as Cap would have triggered the duck out of classic Zemo. Even then he didn't kill Bucky just trolled him hardcore and made his crimes known to the public. He didn't kill the hero mainly just made sure he could no longer enjoy the life he previously had. Sounds similar to Civil War, no? Also, didn't Zeno technically wear a mask when he had the face change mask on pretending to be Bucky?

It's pretty easy for you to say that, as an outside observer with an objective perspective. Put yourself in Zemo's shoes. He lost his entire family. Would you just shrug that off and go on with your life? Let me guess, you also think Tony should have sucked it up when he found out Bucky murdered his parents.

No one is arguing that he wasn't a great villain they just don't understand why he is Zemo. If he had been Joe Smith nobody it would have made it better, but because he is Zemo you already know he is the bad guy.

That's a mighty fine strawman you're building there with that false equivalence

The decision to completely ignore all the character developement he had at the end of Thunderbolts and the Born Better mini will forever be baffling to me.

Especially since Born Better seemed to prime him for a full-on redemption arc, what with him becoming completely disillusioned by his family and wanting to make up for his own crimes and the crimes of his family in general.

Kingpin and the Purple man were fantastic

Someone make an edit with Zemo's face.

I liked him a lot too, he actually won and left the avengers broken and you could see clearly where he was coming from.

I hope they use him again in the future in some way.

He's still doing the messiah complex thing? Trying to save the world by conquest and miserably failing at it?

My only complaint is that there was no "Baron" in his presence. No sense of superiority or family birthright getting involved.

Sure military Colonel is an accomplishment but maybe a little bit more could have been done with his background.

Kingpin, maybe.
That godawful Purple Man definitely wasn't.

He was fine though there are some things I'd like them to expand on if/when he shows up again. Has to be more to him than the sob story of course for him to really hit the mark.

I think they left the stronger details of his background ambiguous specifically to build on it down the line if they want.

Some latent superiority was there for me in that scene at the Hydra guy's house.

>Mads Mikkelsen
I want to hope he would do fine because he was great in Casino Royale and kind of scary in Hannibal, but then again Eccleston is a good actor and you see how him being in MCU turned out.

he was fine, but ultimately forgettable like most marvel villains. luckily most of the movie is about tony vs cap so its doesnt matter much

Eccelston's character wasn't bad because of the acting, that was all on the shit script.

I did like they hinted Zemo's mask in the movie. Too subtle for first viewing.

And that's why I'm bothered.
MCU can hype you up by hiring a good actor, then shit the bed with the script.

Look at Ray Stevenson, he has so much potential to play either a hero or a villain and knock it out of the park and yet he's stuck playing fucking Volstagg, a comic relief character with little screentime.

Kind of funny, both those examples are from Thor movies.

I liked him. He was a regular dude who hated super people because of what they did to his family. His character would have been cheapened if he was a real super villain.

>"Did you think I actually wanted more of you?"
Moment where it all clicked for me.

Why is Zemo so freakin' mean?

I thought it was kinda funny that they took advantage of the fact Bruhl and Sebastian Stan look kinda similar. Bruhl was able to disguise himself as Bucky with basically what was glorified makeup.

They're obviously going to make him a real supervillain by having him decide that the only way to win is to replace the Avengers and force the world into peace

>movies targeted at kids and lower
More like teens and young adults.

Teens and young adults are probably not that hyped for the MCU anymore because it started when they were kids so they look down on it now because of that dumb adolescent "I have to grow up and watch other things now" stage. They like those shitty comedy movies in the vein of the Hangover and pretend like R rating makes things good along with playing CoD all day.

Teenagers are awful, my man.

Elaborate

>a foreign country invades yours
>their soldiers kill your family
>"Shit happens man, that's war"

i think you misspelled the word vill"""ai"""n

>Am I the only one
How to spot a shit thread 101.

Why does everyone act like he had some master plan when he says in the first scene he's improvising with the hydra agent?

I like the dude but everyone acts like he was some keikaku master instead of just taking advantage of what he had to hurt the avengers.