Seriously, the F4 are either too pulpy (Kirby) or too high-end cape (Hickman, Byrne), or just too "average" (Waid, Robinson, Fraction) to work in film. That said, why not just make an R-Rated Doom solo?
Think about it. It could be a modern Tragedy/Shakespearean/Epic, like, say, Coriolanus with Ralph Fienes from a few years back.
You can add political intrigue, themes of revenge and battle of the soul, honor, tradition vs progress, all that jazz.
I'd certainly prefer it over another mediocre reboot...
Maybe if Fox had the licence, definitely not seeing it under Sony though.
David Lopez
What you want is a Doctor Strange sequel, brother
>tfw I fucking need to watch Coriolanus!
Camden Price
But user... Fox has the F4 license...
Brayden Johnson
Doesn't Fox have Fantastic Four still if I'm not mistaken?
Seems like he would have appeared in some marvel/sony thing already if he wasn't there
Wyatt Watson
Triumph & Torment is good as a one-off, but you can explore Doom more in a film all about himself. He's truly one of the few capeshit characters who are worthy of the "much complex, such good" stuff that get thrown around.
The majority of capeshit (not comics in general, just capes) feature the same 4 or so archetypes with different dressings. Doom is different. Take him away from all the comic-booky stuff, and he could work as the central character of a novel or something. He's unique amongst them.
Henry Ramirez
>Doctor Strange sequel
Are you just really desperate to take a nap?
Lincoln Ortiz
asdasd
Austin Rogers
There are others like Doom, specially now that comics are nore mature. And Triumph and Torment is basically all about Doom, but from Strange's perspective
Ayden Smith
What a stupid question Of course there should be a DOOM movie
Ayden Bailey
You are now aware that you live in a world, a terrifying world, where there are people right this moment who use terms such as "canon" and "cinematic universe" when talking about films and television shows.
A terrifying world where imagined characters on a screen are required, according to those who discuss them, to adhere to "ground rules" set out by the creators of said-characters. A terrifying world where those that discuss these characters and their actions, are actually enraged if said-characters deviate from the mannerisms expected of them, the mannerisms that may have initially been set in the pages of a comic book.
Think about that. A comic book. For children. Yes, pictures and words on the same page, which are meant to be read by children, that are actually read by adults who then bicker and express their frustration at film-adaptations of these comic books not being "faithful". Faithful to a comic book. That's supposed to be read by young children.
This is your world. This is the world of capeshit. Terrifying, isn't it?
Gabriel White
No, people who perpetuate this meme dont know anything about Fantastic Four. The two(five?) are inseparable. None of the Fantastic Four movies even attempted to accurately adapt any of the stories and just made up their own original generic superhero shit. In addition it's baffling to me that people think Doctor fucking Doom is any less silly than Fantastic Four. Ironically everyone who thinks its obvious there should be a Doom movie knows nothing about him and cant get past general concepts and ideas of what the movie should be because you don't read comics. All his best stories involve the Fantastic Four, the FF themselves are one of the best and most influential superheroes ever and you're not an expert for watching some shitty movies and seeing Doom excerpts online. Anything can "work" in film, just saying it can't doesn't mean anything. With enough passion and talent a good story is a good story, regardless of how silly it is.
Justin Johnson
To be fair, one of the best stories of Doom is Secret Wars, and FF isn't as important as him in therr
Owen Hernandez
Yeah, Fox owns the F4. Eh, depends. If we're talking Indies, sure, yeah. Or Vertigo. Tansmetropolitan, Hellblazer, Lucifer. All of these if turned into films, with the right care, would be pure KINO.
But Doom's one of the few, if not the only, capeshit character to actually be well rounded. He's not a caricature villain, or a "no flaws, no flaws" noble-villain. He's not a "tortured anti-hero" or boy-scout. He exists in the crossroads. He's both a scientist and a sorcerer. Both a nationalist and a globalist. Both a villain, and some kind of "hero". Comics ain't just for children bucko. That's a meme. And no, I'm not talking about the "hurr hurr, blood". Capeshit is for kids. But the comics medium has evolved. There are some great stories in there, which deal with even "mundane" and human topics. Stop looking at the grocery store US Market and you'll find some unironically good stuff. Bucko, if I didn't know jack about the F4 I wouldn't have mentioned the writers and the runs.
I love the F4 and I want a proper F4 flick, but if you think we'll ever get Humanoid Galactus or Franklin and Valeria, you're deluding yourself. They're gonna ride the Ultimate train until the end of times.
As for Doom, he's had plenty of good stories outside of the F4. The Iron Man Time-Travel Trilogy, Triumph & Torment, the self-contained Books of Doom, plus Doom 2099.
Doom deserves a poper solo film that can explore more than the usual capeshit stuff. Everyone who goes "muh F4 villain" is just stuck in that "rogues gallery" notion.
Andrew Brown
Do it from his perspective of building cool shit and managing his country then some assholes invade and destroy his stuff.
Anthony Howard
But that's way too pedestrian user. I'm talking about something other than the usual. Something that can transcend the capeshit genre.
Adrian Williams
The Joker, Luthor, even guys like Sinestro, Magneto andThe Green Goblin are also good villains
Blake Bailey
Sure, but I'm not really talking about villains per se. I'm talking about generally well-rounded characters. Be they heroes, villains, anti-heroes, there aren't many who can genuinely offer something new besides a costume change.
Samuel Wright
Sinestro is also a well-rounded character, that truly loved Korugar and blames the Lanterns for taking him out of power and returning it to chaos
Andrew Sanchez
Post-Johns' handling yeah, Sinestro really became something great. But he's still too comic book-y to really give us that transcended film.
John Watson
its something I've spent a lot of time thinking about
It's so hard to get the tone right. The proper characterization of Doom is as a guy who cares a lot about his people, but he's just so arrogant, and that arrogance is based so completely in fact, that's it's impossible for him to think and live like a normal human being.
But then if you humanize him too much, he loses his status as the Final Boss of marvel. And there are other problems, like whether these high-paid actors will let their characters get their shit instantly stuffed in, in the first scene.
And then there's the problem of the cerebral nature of the battle between Doom and Richards, and how very commonly their stories take place 'above' everyone else's. The X-men are trying to stop a war on earth, or some trivial shit like that, maybe fight against a demigod, meanwhile Franklin has just recreated the entire multiverse with his imagination, or Doom has become the God of Everything for the 15th or 20th time.
It could be done with a flawless script, but I think it's the single hardest Marvel property to get right.
Logan Rodriguez
Not exactly, there is comic accurate celestials already and no one complains they are too weird. Those are definitely decent Doom stories but none of them compare to his Fantastic Four conflicts, just how I feel.
Jackson James
Doom is still the greatest thing Marvel has ever made and I shudder to think how they could ruin him.
Samuel Gomez
Well, the way I'd do it is treat Doom like Captain Flint from Black Sails. Basically a guy with some noble intentions, nobler in Doom's case, but so angry, hateful and broken that his dark side wins all the time.
First up, I'd get rid of the Roma-in-a-Camp thing. His dad is already Germanic, so just make his mom have Roma heritage.
Then, do away with the Von Doom thing. Make it an assumed name that he took in order to create this legend and myth around him. Never reveal his real one, or hell, not even outright state that it's not real, just allude to it.
Focus on themes such as deism, pantheism, the judging of cultures, the fight between his honor and needs, all that.
As for making him "too noble", it's easy. Make him a nationalistic, xenophobic, misogynistic and arrogant jerk. Make him respect only certain cultures. Make him wish to keep Latveria pure. Make his plan for world peace be to turn the world into a giant Latveria. Make him think of women as merely supporting players. You can make him a noble villain without neutering him. The MCU has done all those wacky things, but they're also treating them very tongue in-cheek. The thing with the F4 is that they deal with stuff that are rooted in hard sci-fi, just simplified for everyone to enjoy. Start playing with Alien God Scientists and the netural order of the Universe, and the GA will just get lost and bored. It's the dileema, really. Then again, normies did eat up Interstellar, which was pure har sci-fi (they did get Kip Thorne), so who knows. MCU Doom would be trash, but
Wyatt James
[...] an R-Rated Fox-film dealing with all the horrible things he's done, his psyche, his relationship with Gods and Demons, would be truly something different.
Noah Roberts
>get rid of the Roma-in-a-Camp thing Stop right there! He needs to still live among gypsies during his youth, and to be despised by average Latverians. That will give a reason to spark his sorcery interest, plus a hate for the Latverian society of the time, that he wishes to reform at his pure image
Carter Bailey
Romas haven't lived in tents for... what, decades now? And the Latverians hated them only after his mom went and killed the whole village's babies when her spell backfired.
And hell, the whole thing with his father makes no sense. If he's the best doctor in Latveria, so good that the Baron came to him, where the fuck did he get his education? The many retcons and old-timey storytelling really hurt his origin.
Here's what I'd do:
-Werner's Latverian, and Cynthia is a Latverian-Roma. -They live in a house close to the woods. -Werner is the local physician. -Cynthia's family, plus all the other low-class Latverians are suffering due to taxes and are growing sick due to not being able to afford a decent living. -Cynthia does her crazy occult shit and ends up killing all the babes. -The mob lynches her, while the Baron knows about it but can't really do anything. -Werner is reviled, but they need him, so they let him live. -A couple of years pass, Werner has lost his touch, and a proper doctor has arrived to the village, so the mob gathers again and lynches Werner in the memoriam of the babes' death. -Victor is taken in by his Roma uncle, Boris.
It doesn't change the fundamental core of the character, but it does iron out some wrinkles.
Asher Brown
No, no, no, there are still Roma who are nomads. And Werner could have gotten his education somewhere else, in Romania or Hungary, and then decided to return to his roots
Isaac Price
They're very few and it's a romanticized US version of them. As for Werner, if he was also a peniless Roma how the hell did he manage to get that education?
And then that creates even more problems. If Victor is a peniless Roma, how did he manage to find the materials and books to construct all his gizmos? How in the hell did a US Scout find him and offer him a scholarship?
All that jazz were good for the 60s, but put that in a film and you'll get just another pulpy capeshit. The Roma and Tibetan monks have to be played down in order for other aspects to be developed.
Mason Baker
No, I live in Europe. There are still nomad Roma, who are despised by the rest of the population. Of course they are not peniless, but they are still nomads
Dylan Brown
it'll be fantastic!
Lucas Young
And I live in the Balkans user. The Roma who are part of society are normal human beings. The Romas who live in shanty towns are truly peniless. Do you want a Punjabi Doom goign on a SJW Crusade?
His whole thing is that he has "opressed" roots but hates them so much that he's made himself the perfect Aristocrat.
Just make him Latverian with Roma heritage and be done with it. Full-Roma Doom from a 60s book coupled with Johnny Depp from Chocolat ain't what such a movie needs.
Besides, if he's not a native Latverian, why the fuck should he give a damn about Latveria itself? Why should he give a damn about people who "hated" him? Upon returning from the US/Tibet why not just go anex some other country that suits his fancy?
Face it, his origin has too many problems to be adapted exactly as is. it needs to be reworked.
PS: FYI, we're talking about the guy who travelled back in time to work with the Nazis. This "Doom's an opressed guy!11" Tumblr meme needs to end. Doom has worked with Nazis before.
Why does a kids cartoon show have better representation of an iconic character then three multi-million dollar movies?
Joseph Robinson
Nothing wrong with putting him living in shanty towns, if that makes him more adequate that being a nomad
And Doom was an opressed guy! He does not give a fuck about SJWs. He now rules over Latveria to prove himself his true power. To prove that even a gypsy, from the bottom of society, can rule over Latveria, and can make it better than it was before, at least in his eyes. He then becomes an aristocrat to prove himself better than the ones that rules over Latveria before him (although now it would make more sense to make Latveria a post-sovietic state, and Doom just have a fetish for ancient aristocracy)
Plus, there is really nothing wrong with him studying with the Tibetan Monks
Christopher Reyes
>capeshit >Shakespearean
Colton Wood
yup
Elijah Price
'Cause cartoons have more freedom. Fair analysis, but I'm gonna be honest: Doom's the only Balkan character in comicdom, and I sure as hell don't want him to be a full-blown gypsy. The King of the Balkans being that is just wrong.
Make him a full-Gypsy and then you must make him a shitskin. And shitskin Doom ain't what I want. So yeah. The Roma origin can go fuck itself. I'll even take the Dracula's descendant before it.
I'll compromise with a Roma heritage, but full blown Roma Doom? Nope. Imagine being such a faggot that you can't even do a google search. Doom was always intended to be a Shakespearean character. Just because he's stuck in capeshit doesn't mean a movie couldn't keep just the core elements and try to be capeKINO.
Josiah Barnes
>We'll never see Spider-Man use his sticking powers on someone's face in any of the MCU movies
Benjamin Roberts
Just watch the spectacular spiderman cartoon. Its fight scenes are awesome.
Logan Rogers
You get what he was made as. There are also other Balkan comic characters, like Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch (both Jews), Silver Sable, that nympho teen that fucked Deathstroke, Prof Pyg
Noah Clark
>Shakespearean character You don't even know what you are trying to express by using those words so instead you keep repeating them >just because he's stuck in capeshit doesn't mean a movie couldn't keep just the core elements and try to be capeKINO. yes it does. Also if I want anything "Shakespearean" I go watch/read a play.
Chase Ross
It's terrifying that people want more of this pap.
Benjamin Powell
Not realy, since in 70+ years I can pick and choose. For that matter, I can just combine the Ultimate and 616 origins. Also, both Wanda and Quicksilver as Gypsies. Pre-Retcon half Jews/Half Romas, Post-Retcon full-on Romas. It's as if the US thinks Europeans are just Nazis and Gypsies. Is using buzzwords a novelty now? Do you want me to post a whole script in Sup Forums so that fags like yourself who have nothing to add can just find something else to nitpick? Point is, Doom's character always was perfect for a [insert buzzword of your choosing that implies a connection to themes more commonly found in sociopolitical dramas, epic poems and ancient tragedies instead of capeflicks] film.
Joshua Nelson
>A comic book. For children.
Comic books haven't been for children since Alan Moore decided to make them for adults back in the 80's and then bitch from his snake god cave about how kids no longer read comics anymore.
Nathaniel Martinez
>Tring to support comics ain't for children >Posts SIEGE
user, are you completely autistic? Instead of posting something from Invisibles, From Hell, even East of West or something, you're going with SIEGE? That's "muh animus have rapes and demons so they're mature" level of cringe.
Jason Gray
>still not even remotely saying what he means by Shakespearean >wasting valuable devil trips
Aiden Stewart
>Post-Retcon full-on Romas Wait, they aren't Magneto's offsrping anymore!?
Eli Morales
>Wanting your kids reading Marvel goreporn
No user.
Robert Thomas
If I wanted to post about good comics for discerning adults I would post some Blacksad or Meta-Barons, you philistine.
Juan Roberts
No, the Maximoffs (the Romas) were their real parents and the High Evoltuonary just did some science stuff on them up in Wundagore.
Like I said, US Comics just think Europe is either Nazis (West), Stuck-Up Brits (North), Gangsters (South) and Gypsies (East) and it pisses me off. So I'm not in favor of a 100% Gypsy Doom, 'cause selfish or not, there's only one character we can identify with dammit, and he's not gonna be given to folks who don't even read comics. And then you just know he'd need to become a SJW in the books.
Benjamin Kelly
Wait, so he isn't even a mutant now!?
Blake Carter
Are you implying EoW isn't comicKINO?
Blacksad's truly great though, I agree. For some reason I can't help but imagine Idris Elba (original, I know) playing him. Mags is a mutant, Wanda and Pietro are just not his children. And they're not mutants either. They're just gypsies from a Balkan country, Transia (I guess there are only gypsies in Marvel Eastern Europe), who got experimented on by the HE.
Logan Martin
>I can't help but imagine Idris Elba (original, I know) playing him Godspeed, my man. I honestly thought I was the only one thinking that way
Luis Sanders
Doom is a jew
Hudson Adams
It'll never happen though. Capefans just wanna watch capes, the GA cares only about capeshit, and the "patricians" are online trolls. I'd prefer a Jewish Doom over a gypsy one to be honest. but Doom's a half-gypsy/half-germanic-Latverian guy.