Indians:

Hey guys! So I wanted to ask, what's your personal opinion on Indian characters? Would you watch a cartoon about Indians? I feel like people are a bit afraid to use Indian characters because of social pressure. I'm asking because I'm Indian and a lot of us read comics and watch cartoons, but it's rare I find anything with native characters. I've also noticed most of what kids learn about Indians is through media which is interesting. Want to have a discussion on it?

I really don't care about the race or ethnicity of characters 2bh. So yeah I'd watch it. Are you the Native from the Moana thread

Don't really think it's social pressure at all desu. There's nothing really taboo about showing Indians, the only real problem there is the conflict with the West which doesn't need to be delved into, but even Pocahontas did it and that's Disney.

Native Indians have actually been shown a decent amount compared to some other minorities, I think it's more just on what sells and what current audiences find interesting.

What makes the red man red?

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Isn't Blue Beetle a native?

Or am I crazy?

I've created characters of many different backgrounds, and Native American is one that can be difficult to tackle simply because when you try to do your homework there is a lot of horseshit out there.

look to verified Native sources and you'll be able to find stuff that will allow you to represent characters in a respectful and well rounded manner. Also always remember the GRRM rule of writing characters.

You've read Scalped, right?

He's Latino.

Jaime's Hispanic

well his name is Jaime Reyes and he's from Texas...

I love indians, I'd love more works based on indian myths or realistic works based on the current social conditions.
Indians NEED a modern narrative to fit them into the modern world.

>GRRM rule
Which is?

>Would you watch a cartoon about Indians?
Yeah.
If there's any pressure these day's it purely coming from people who are afraid of being accused of poorly depicting native peoples. Any work who's creators spend enough time doing research can do a good enough job I think, but there will always be someone ready to pounce on anything that can look like it's bad from the right angle (and likely more than enough of them will be whities complaining on other people's behalf).

that would be me. I don't particularly care about characters' ethnics either, I was just wondering your guys' personal opinions. I started reading a comic series called scalped hoping it'll be good, it's always interesting to see how we're depicted.
Naw, everyone's afraid of "appropriating" our culture now so there's that. There's nothing even wrong with cultural appropriation desu.
Funny story, back in highschool I recommended we do Peter Pan and then the girls in my class started doing the "war calls" and red man song/dance around, it was a completely white class other than me. I was really shocked and ashamed, feels bad desu.

Write them as people first, I would assume based on that image.

Native American Shaft?

read the fucking image fucking idiot, pic is for you

>Native American is one that can be difficult to tackle simply because when you try to do your homework there is a lot of horseshit out there.
That was true for Star Trek: Voyager. The consultant they got for their native american character was totally making shit up.

make your audience like them, then butcher them in a gruesome manner that you may drink their succulent tears

>Native American Shaft?
That kind of works.

Jeez, sorry I was just asking.

>everyone's afraid of "appropriating" our culture now
You think so? I just think the appeal isn't really there currently. Although it could tie in to what that other user said about having to do your research in order to ensure Indians are represented "correctly", which is just more time and effort on a studio's behalf

Introduce them as a cliche, then kill them or make them a disgusting human being. If you really like them reveal they're a good person deep down

Just picked up the first issue
There's a couple of Navajo made comics out there if you look around. I totally agree though, lots of my friends are really shocked when I talk about the Rez like its a 3rd world country. Also, Southern and North western Indian lore is based af
That's true, a lot of issues for us in many things has come out of whites speaking for us. Too bad, cartoons and comics are actually highly consumed by us, I hope we can move past this social justice thing soon.

>lots of my friends are really shocked when I talk about the Rez like its a 3rd world country.

You're going to like Scalped.

>Its a cartoon about modern indians.

No lie there were a group of Indians drunk off their asses at 8'O clock in the morning in public at the bus stop one time while i was going to work asking people if they wanted a Budweiser.

In arizona Indians can be complete dicks break any law they want and not get busted by the normal city cops for it. they have to get Taken back to their Reservations and they have a special Reservation police force and court system.

I feel that a lot of non-native creators want to portray native characters in a positive way, or at the very least in a way that isn't going to get native Americans angry at you. Since there are no firm rules on what is or isn't cultural appropriation, non-natives get nervous as to what is considered the "right" way to portray them. Sure, you can do research, but unless you get the whole fucking tribal council to look at your work there's always the chance that you accidentally made a misstep.

They're probably just bitter. You should send them some blankets to make them feel better.

What's your point?

Studied Native Indians and their war with the West back in school so had a soft spot for Sup Forums content that covered it. I found it interesting since I knew some of the facts and could see where ideas came from. I remember quite enjoying Pocahontas upon rewatching, but now I barely remember any of it by now so it's not really the same for me and that interest has sort of lapsed.

I'm from a Canadian city with a sizeable native community. Having grown up with alot of native friends, I do notice when they aren't being portrayed in media. Notice it even more when I moved to a city away from them.

Fuck the stereotypes. Why wouldn't you portray good people and good characters?

Like Joffery or Yellow Dick.

>taking common sense storytelling and giving a hack writer credit for it as if it was his own world-changing epiphany.

Now I'm hyped, can't fucking wait
>cherry niggers making a bad name for us
nothing new there
Creators are scared shitless of white sjws, WE'RE scared shitless of sjw's. Light skinned natives can't even claim their families anymore.
top kek, here's your tobacco

Yeah, you're probably right, especially in this age. Honestly I doubt it's the Natives that would really get mad, it's more just people who think they know what the Natives want and deserve who rant on Twitter. I don't think OP for one would be too concerned about historically accurate representation

It'd just be needless hassle, especially when minorities aren't really all that popular in media to begin with, so your show might not even kick off anyway

>Tfw Metis but don't give a fuck
Being from Winnipeg, our native community is literally shit tier. Metis are fucking faggot whites pretending to be native for Residential school bucks, and the rest of the Cree are degenerates ad steal money from the state and fuck our shit up. The people from the reserves are in an infinitely worse situation, but they are quite nice people in comparison. I can't go forty feet without seeing some native inclusion shit though, but I do like native characters absolutely fine, and would like to see Wendigoes and some spooky shit from Native mythology turned into media. The concept of a native monster hunter sounds pretty sick, like a Van Helsing mixed with Tonto. Does anyone know how that Red Wolf comic turned out?

>Indian
>posts Native American

Why do people still say this? It's been 500 years and we have have world maps now.

I'm always down for more NA/FN characters. My fave Marvel lady is Cheyenne.

It sucks because American education doesn't teach much about real Indians so what the public knows about us is mostly based off bad representation in media. We didn't even learn about the trail of tears until high school when a part native teacher used extra time to teach us. Shit's sad.

>still calling american natives "indians"

>that action pose
more personality in one shot than in 7 seasons

What bumfuck school did you go to? We learned about various native cultures in 3rd grade in northern Illinois, where I didn't see a Native till I was maybe 18. We learned about the trail of tears, Iroquois confederacy etc that year as well. My sister is 10 and had the exact same curriculum.

>get Indian identity engrained
>want to now take our identities too
why do people do this?
I want some delicious skin-walker action, or real Sasquatch horror

>Native American
>Not Native Aboriginal First Nations
Why do people still say this? It's been 500 years and we have maps now

>tfw have to change identity around whites because it's "politically correct"

>identity
>from a bad navigator that didn't know what continent he was in

>Indians
I like them.

Are you trying to say you didn't understand that he was harping on that intentionally

it's in almost every single sentence

I went to a small white supremacist hick school ;_;

Amerindians is the only answer.

>Indians
I guess we still can't read maps.

Are we talking about the American Indians or the Hindu Indians?

You have a point. I usually go by American Indian though, it's just what my tribe says. You grow up being called Indian, it's kind of who you are.

In spanish indian is the correct term, people from india (the country) are called hindu irregardless of their religion

Are there any full blooded native americans left?

>have a country called India
>still call people from the opposite side of the world Indians

Reminds me of the Scottish/Irish bullshit. Bring geography back in schools, dammit.

Some here and there, usually on huge ass reservations like Navajo Nation. Either that or they're just stubborn mother fuckers like Apaches.

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yes

Straight up Columbus was a gigantic turd in all respects

He's pretty much singlehandedly directly responsible for all the horseshit that has gone on in the Americas from genocide to slavery to out and out wars.

>calling yourself something you're factually not

Immediately reminded me of pic related.

It's not even politically correct, it's just correct.

I wouldn't watch anything to do with Indians. I've known a few who were nice people, but on a daily basis I deal with many who are not. I wouldn't be able to separate my daily experience from what I'd be seeing; that's entirely my problem, of course. It doesn't mean, though, that I'm opposed to creators going out and making a product featuring Indians - it just means that I'm going to be averse to partaking of it.

>I'd love more works based on indian myths
This. I'd love to see more Indian mythology represented. Shit's cool.

Natives are a small and under represented minority. People are scared of portraying native characters in their works.

>Columbus
Was a pleb that only discovered the West Indies, it was Ameringo who actually discovered both North and South America.

just keep race separate from culture and you can't go wrong

Are there any Native Indian porn actresses? I remember googling it like eight years ago when I got into interracial stuff and all I got was actual Indian porn stars or stills from Custer's Revenge. I assume it must be pretty niche even by niceh porn stnadards.

>from genocide to slavery to out and out wars.

You say that it's a bad thing.

There's a very old (pre-war) newspaper comic called White Boy. It's about a... white boy in the old west who loses his family and ends up hanging around with a Native American tribe, the title is the name that they call him, and he goes on all sorts of adventures with a qtpie Indian girl. The creator didn't really know anything about Native Americans, though in the earliest episodes you get the sense he'd have liked to know more, and would have respected them.

It didn't do well. Demands of the job wore the creator down and the quality of both the art and the writing soon went to shit. The native characters all got dumbed down into the standard cliched stereotypes, either bloodthirsty villains or doofus comic relief.

But I sort of think in terms of "what if." Maybe in the future when my current webcomic ends, I'll take a stab at rebooting it myself.

You guys would love Tony Hillerman

tell me more

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Cool I'll have to check it out.

>REEEE, I HATE IT WHEN PEOPLE CALL MY RETARDED NORMS

He's an author on a ton of Indian-focused books. Sherman Alexie is a god, you should check him out too. Shit, they have some of his books turned into movies you can watch on Netflix. Then again, I'm really biased towards him because he's a family friend. I remember once in lit class we started a discussion on him and some whites called him a racist for going to native schools and speaking there instead of average public schools. I lost my shit, didn't even know he was an author before that.

It really sucks that there's no real written history of American Indian history beyond a certain point because that shit was filled with cool mythology and bloody tribal warfare.

Same with Africa. Oral tradition is long dead and nobody wants to make up cool fantasy stories featuring aboriginal people.

If it wasnt Columbus it would have been someone else

Scalped is one of the GOAT Vertigo book but I'm worried that they're going to fuck up the show and have Dash be half white or something.

Read Black Elk Speaks, shit is fucking amazing eye-witness to what went down. It's a damn good read too.

If I had a time machine I would convince Genghis Khan to not waste so much time hunting down one Muslim prince and convince him to attack Europe as he originally planned.

I just want to briefly see a present where Mongolian hipsters tattoo tribal horses on their wrists and complain on the internet about white people shaming them.

>Gegas Khan vs English army
I want to see this so bad

Tired of this PC Monguilt bullshit. This generation bends to the Caucaloids. In my day we rode 15 miles across open plains to our KhanDonalds and nobody bitched about trans-fat free horse meat. BROWN POWER!

>tfw no Navajo Pulp Fiction
>tfw no Pueblo sand nigger Mad Max

I wouldn't mind except
>show has Indians
>they use the bathroom instead of shitting on the streets
every fucking time

We're talking Woo Woo not red dot here

I've yet to see a qt native girl in real life

Gotta try NorthWest or maybe Canada. Alaska's a safe bet too.

This post makes no sense.

He's talking about how you're not allowed to say "Indian" anymore. If you call yourself or others that outside of the reservation, you'll get corrected or chewed out.

But that's the way it should be which is why I was confused. Indians are not native americans and the only reason we call them that is because Christopher Columbus thought he landed in India.

Political correctness is the notion that if somebody accidentally offends someone else, they should be treated as if they'd done it on purpose because it's the only way to get people to stop.

Of course, this doesn't result in more sensitive depictions of minorities. It results in FEWER depictions of minorities because if you do it wrong your company's going to get screamed at and you're going to get fired.

>alot
And you picked up their gammer errors too

He has actually met indians, and you haven't, because there basically aren't any.

Sauce?

...why the fuck would someone correct you about what you call yourself unless it was, like, online and they thought you were a white dude.

This

Yeah but if a tribe calls themselves that for decades or centuries and people outside say "okay we're changing it now" they might be annoyed.

Unless you're Disney. Then it's black Star Wars characters and Polynesian Princesses all over!

JP Rowling just got chewed out because she used skin-walkers, which are apparently too religious to be movie monsters.

What're your thoughts on that?

One of my favorite comics is all about Indians.

I don't really care about the race or ethnicity of characters so long as it's well-written. I certainly wouldn't not watch a show because it was about them.

Tiger Lily is cute.

Listen, it may not mean this to you but it's less about geography and more about personal identity. We where given the name "Indian" by white men, and for us being Indian is how we where looked at through many years of genocide and oppression. Now we are the surviving Indians, it's a name given to us that we keep (depending on the tribe) marking us as survivors. It's not about geography, it's about history and metaphorical do-da.
What said, no logic with these people, just screaming