Homestuck

So if you don't think the epilogue or hiveswap are going to be good, why are you still here? Explain.

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but op i liked the ending and i think hiveswap is very likely to be good

>i liked the ending
Congratulations, you qualify for a verified retard certificate.

Waiting for Vol. 10, and pretending that Hiveswap might still be good.

i think the epilogue will fix things

Because I'm still lying to myself and holding on to scraps of evidence that Act 7 wasn't actually the ending.

I never claimed to be an intelligent individual.

masochism

I don't know. I got finals. I have to move from my apartment soon. But I'm still here.

i didnt like the angsty unfunny conversations in a6a6i5 or the vriska mary sue joke but i liked the fun of collide, and the EXCELLENT music and good animation of the last two videos, and the 'happy' ending with dark implications. i also liked having to solve the lord english fight myself like a puzzle because puzzles are fun. its just a confluence of things only i enjoy. im not surprised everyone else hates it but i dont really care either

There is a small sliver of hope left in me. The epilogue will not fix the ending. It can't. But maybe it'll make it bearable.
Honestly though I'm mainly here to reminisce and share good memories and complaints with what's left of HSG.

because you KEEP POSTING HERE.

FUCK OFF, YOUR SHIT'S DONE.

Nothing else has hit the same high Homestuck once did.

You have ten seconds.

To name five characters who are more autistic than Tavros.

>Finished works aren't allowed to be discussed
u wot

except that its not
there is literally more comic coming, more music, video games eventually and whatever homestuck 2.0's mystery project is going to be

>Nepeta
>Andrew Hussie's Self Insert
>Hussiebot
>Andrew Hussie in Real Life
>Zombie Ace Dick

YOUR NEVER GETTING OFF OF HUSSIES WILD RIDE
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WE'RE HERE
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JESUS FUCK!

STOP HATING ON HOMESTUCK YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS!

ACT 7 WAS FUCKING FANTASTIC! THE ENTIRE COMIC WAS NOTHING SHORT OF BRILLIANT!

ROSE NOT PLAYING GAME WAS 11/10 SUBVERSION

STOP MAKING FUN OF HOMESTUCK!

FUCKING STOP IT!!

STOP IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jake, Caliborn, Nepeta, Jane, Rufioh.

If this thing ever takes off (hah.) I wonder if they'll let us stay even though a fan based meme youtube channel probably belongs in Trash or something.

Fuck off Andrew

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DON'T YOU -GET- IT?!

PEOPLE DON'T HAVE ARCS!

IT'S LIKE MARIO AND THE STAR!

MARIO

AND THE STAR!

I love how legitimately butthurt the guy who keeps posting that image is

i think if andrew had done the trickster arc and then not explained it after i would have been totally ok with it

they said multimedia experience of some kind. original it was going to be just the game and hsg would just move to hiveswap general to die. now this is just filler to keep the hype up for the homestuck equivalent of End of Evangelion without telling people about it. cap this.

OOGA BOOGA, ROSE GIRL NO PLAY QUEST BECAUSE READER WANTED ROSE GIRL PLAY QUEST.
ME THINK SUBVERSION AUTOMATICALLY DEEP. ME THINK SMARTER THAN YOU. ME HIT YOU WITH CLUB IF YOU BRING UP STORY IDEAS TOSSED TO GROUND, OOG.

Or if he had the characters actually address the moral of the Trickster arc instead of, say, literally him and Caliborn

i like to imagine that the explanation was ironic since he contradicted it so hard later. i don't know if that makes me like it though. just gives me some small peace of mind

I don't really know how to feel about it either.
If Andrew was sincere, the whole conversation was still stupid, insufferably meta, and later contradicted by the ending.
If Andrew was being ironic, it means he's always believed that solving your characters' problems with the wave of a magic wand was good storytelling.
Hard to tell which explanation is worse.

There's a third possibility, that he left it ambigious so he could pick and choose when development was a good thing and when he was being le witty subverter

>Karkat fans
LOL

Yeah that seems like a thing he'd do. This reminds me that he has a lot of tricks up his sleeve to make the story's plot excuse the structural flaws.
Paradox Space dismissing unstable timelines and keeping the one that closes all its time loops has always struck me as an excellent excuse for "it happens because destiny said so" handwaving bullshit.

in fairness to him homestuck has never really fitted any definition of 'good storytelling' since act1, since the intermission, since the trolls and since he started writing pages and pages of mostly irrelevant text under static images. you can begin to see why he might get carried away with the idea that his experiments are all genius when he seemed be totally right and the size of the audience looked like it proved it.

Why are these threads still around?

Because people want to talk about Homestuck.

I wish there were good Midnight Crew designs in the WLF contest

i dont, I havent even read the last few updates or watched the shit flash

I dunno, everything up to middle Act 6 was very traditional in terms of story structure.
Sure, the pacing was weird, and the format was innovative, but there was a formula that made it satisfying to read.
And it was something like: Introduce plot through narration, dialogue, subtle implications and sudden twists; fill said plot with myriads of tiny little details; eventually incorporate details into an aspect of the main plot not yet solved; solve it; repeat.
The experiments were fun, but they seriously weren't what was so good about Homestuck. Back then, Hussie said the story was also a puzzle, and he was right. Anything could be relevant, anything could happen. You just had to pay attention to the details.
I think that's what made the story so good, and you can clearly see that formula fall apart midway through Act 6, because so many questions are raised and very little is answered - until the mysteries pile up to form messy heaps and Andrew goes "fuck it" and sweeps them all under the rug, the end, thanks for playing.
I do think his hubris played a part. But his storytelling used to be -at least- decent.

an indestructible demon?

i'll join him!

no one wwill evver knoww!

This should have been submitted to the shirt contest

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I just like drawing lewds.

I think the reason so many people love Eridan is that his typing quirk is easy and fun to replicate

>the trolls were introduced and popular six years ago

Did we seriously waste the last six years on Tricksters and Cherubs?

he's just fun in general

reading serially from the start of act 1 until the troll arc, it never seemed like there was any kind of traditional plot. in retrospect it might seem that way. act 5 act 2 had a clear goal in mind that retroactively vindicated a lot of the weird and probably 'bad' decisions that he had made up until that point. the early acts establish a setting and then he just fucks around in the setting without much planned direction. it works because it's funny, and you like the characters, and in the process of setting up enough threads for his own future improvisations he gives you a chance to play with all the threads yourself and imagine huge stories of your own.

you 8et

'waste' the last six years on cherubs

LOL look at this failure

to be fair it's only one cherub that's really worth it

question hsg: how would you have made calliope better? i think having her fit more into a tragic role would have worked best.

made her talk less or say more funny things. the sole issue to be fixed with all act 6 character problems was too much dialogue with not enough jokes. even the romance and angst could have been good if it was written funnier

I can't think of anything to make Calliope better

I think you need to redesign a lot of the comic to make the Cherubs work well.

I'd introduce them early. Have them act as either the equivalent of the trolls or the equivalent of the exiles. People like the trolls too much ultimately to toss them, so let's reduce the role of the exiles.

So, instead of WV giving commands to John, have Calliope give commands. Calliope could give commands to John and Jade while Caliborn gives commands to Rose and Dave. Have them be more involved. Have them develop more of a personality.

Calliope particularly needs work. She needs to way up the mischieviousness. She needs to get a ton more confidence. She needs to be a trickster. And I'd actually take down the homicidal autism of Caliborn. Have them play a game, a real game. With each one confident but working to beat one another.

And then it's a big event, a big reveal, that Caliborn goes so far as to kill Calliope. I think she'd be a lot more endearing as the gentle trickster. Take Nanna and mix in a bit more smilely optimism. Female John, basically, is what to hit at.

And then have Calliope and Caliborn again for the reset session. But this time it's the reality where Calliope dominates over Caliborn.

Readers question "is this the same ones as before but at a prior time? Is this more serious, somber, sad Calliope the one from the afterlife or is it a new reality? Does Calliope have to be serious in order to win? etc etc"

>reduce the role of the exiles
no fuck you

I love the exiles. I'd prefer to toss the trolls. But the trolls are too big a part of the story. The exiles can still be involved. But I think it's a good sacrifice to make to have their discussions with the kids instead be cherub discussions with the original 4. And to have these discussions be more frequent. Develop to the point of the kids actually having conversations instead of being yelled at.

Ara's arm stretches get weirder and weirder.

problem; part of the appeal with the cherubs was the massive twist regarding their reveal. i consider it one of the single best moments in the entire comic. how could we preserve this while introducing them earlier?

So just replace the Exile's commands with Cherubs (and expand the commands to actual conversations)? Might have worked well.

Lord English's appearance would have been the big reveal instead of the other way around.

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so IPGD and Hussie are definitely fucking.

He looks like he just came out of Auschwitz

she also posted this but i only saw it now
what does it mean

piggy is a sick fuck

Is he holding a pregnancy test

it means IPGD is trying to turn Hussie into a /d/eviant

A lot of this is personal, so take it with a grain of salt. Still:
1. Put more emphasis on her flaws. I find it hard to relate or care for characters without clear issues. Have her mess up, slip up, say stupid things, and be clearly awkward more often. (Nothing too cringe, though, or at least not more cringe than her writing smutfics about the Alpha kids. That's already top cringe.)

2. is right. Make her less of an exposition lady and more of a hilarious, loveable dork. Caliborn is funny! Why? Because he's ridiculous, overdramatic, and oddly clever in his insults and his plans. Take some inspiration from that.

3. Another thing that bothers me with Calliope is that she's involved in Homestuck's plot by existing, and only because of that. She's related to the big bad and prophecized to be a secret weapon against him and that's all. Otherwise she mostly stands around acting cute and being a goal for Roxy. She's a McGuffin made flesh, and that sucks.

Now that doesn't mean she needs to fight LE or gather up an army or do something important. She can stay on the sidelines. But her appearances need to be interesting, and for that I see two things that could be focused on:
a. The way she deals with her confidence issues after Caliborn's bullshit wears her down. She wants nothing but happiness, doesn't she? It should not be cast upon her like a blessing from the sky. It should drive her. She can't be the melancholic skull snake girl forever.
b. Her desire and attempts to interact with the heroes she loves so much. Seriously! She grows up being obsessed with them, but her conversations are almost exclusively with Roxy. I want to see her talk to Rose and Terezi, to Dave and Tavros, to Nannasprite. Roxy and Calliope's adorable interactions get boring after the eleventh time.
c. Her role as a muse. She's basically THE passive booster, right? So have her try to give some emotional support and make her kind words have some impact.

Things like that.

it looks like a box of tampons

.... are those tampons

was there ever any doubt

He looks like some sort of bizarre modern art sculpture.

>She's a McGuffin made flesh
But she is a skellington

Yeah you can clearly see the "playtex" label. It's a real thing.

I wonder if things would have been different if someone else had sent him those dildos back in the day. Who knows.

>you could have been the one to influence Homestuck
>it could have been any one from /hsg/
>it ended up being the only one who wouldn't make Hussie make ERIQUEST2012

i agree with nearly all of his but i dont agree with the last one. not all characters can be seen interacting with everyone, there just isnt enough time in the comic. better to cut weak dialogue than pad. a conversation should only be in there if andrew thought of a hilarious or hugely plot-impactful thing for the characters to say.

ipgd put shrek being eri's dad into the comic so i count that as a small personal victory

hes becoming too fucked up by his bad ending

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he deserves a good fucking to help him find peace with himself and get back on the right track

I'm glad that we can confirm Hussie is alive and free

and by the last one, i meant the second to last one. good post though

Point me to the rule that says discussing a finished work isn't allowed.
I'll wait

>people thought those muscles were real.

where do we vote?

Bowman knew cal was LE the whole time
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>The Cherub Hoodie

It's like dA-tan from metastuck designed it

Most of it looks so bad to use but really diggin the dirk USB.

if we love fine added red light up LEDs when it plugs in it would be perfect
would buy

>Roxy is the rogue of VOID
>she's the most prominent character in the VOID session

Alright that was pretty clever Hussie

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Feferi's long, long neck.

Better than Eridan and Feferi looking like random niggers with skin conditions

He looks like he's having a PTSD flashback

Was that really supposed to be a twist that surprised people?

Lil'Cal was always portrayed as this fucking creepy puppet

it honestly kinda disappointed me. i liked him being creepy and inexplicable rather than genuinely evil. but its hardly a huge gripe. arquius being part if lord english more than made up for it

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