Hi Sup Forums alt-left here

Hi Sup Forums alt-left here.

Here's what I believe:
>Opposed to Marxism for it's internationalist tendencies but also opposed to capitalism because it's a Jewish system that is destroying my countries' national sovereignty.
>Nationalistic, opposed to globalism.
>Believes that capitalism should be replaced with a system of worker owned cooperatives that are democratically run with profit sharing.
>I hate Immigrants and minorities. Everyone who is a citizen should have equal opportunities however, most minorities should have their citizenship revoked.
>Also, Immigrants lower wages for the national proletariat.
>In order to vote you should serve at least one year in the military. At least 5 years to run for political office.
>Concerned about the decline of the white race.
>Agree with the left on some economic platforms (aside from welfare) and agree with the right on traditionalism.
>Everyone should be entitled to work.
>In favor of gun rights for all citizens.

Anyone else here alt-left?

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youtube.com/watch?v=D9mSBQeRlKc
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youtube.com/watch?v=THjlCdB47Kc
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism
twitter.com/AnonBabble

I'm Stalinist if it counts.

Depends. Do you believe in internationalism or nationalism?

What a unique ideology of yours. A national-communist really.
Why the big push for the military though?

I meme thetefore I am

Both are tools. Nationalism can be used to strengthen the Socialist nation. Socialist nation can help other nations on their path to Socialism. And Zionist and Muslims have to be annihilated of course.

You belong in a fucking cage, cuckmunist.

What's your position on the environment?

Eco-friendly. But only if economically friendly.

What is your reasoning behind being a fucking Stalinist?
It didnt work, look at the economies in eastern Europe.

Well, I have some issues with non militarized democracy. Mainly that we have large blocs of people without a patriotic bone in their body making political decisions for the rest of us. (mostly niggers and immigrants, although there are some white cucks as well)

If someone wants to be able to vote, they should earn that right.

Pic related is Otto Strasser. Part of the socialist wing of the National Socialist party.
I don't have a problem with that as long as you don't believe in the elimination of borders.
I'm in favor of stopping climate change. Although I don't think it's something that can be done over night. With that said, we should probably transition over to more eco-friendly forms of energy.

It is truly a triumphant ideology. USSR was dominating all it sees under it short reign.

How is this different from fascism/national socialism?

>I don't have a problem with that as long as you don't believe in the elimination of borders.
It depends. If some nations want to join and have a mutual wish to do so, why not? I'm against of EU way of doing this.

Very different from fascism as it is ruled by the proletariat class. Workers.

Well, we certainly would have been better if the Russians had won the cold war. There's a reason that the neoliberal west has turned into a paradise for immigrants and degeneracy and the old nations of the eastern bloc have not. Vid related.

youtube.com/watch?v=D9mSBQeRlKc

It has a higher emphasis on economic socialization through the creation of worker owned cooperatives to replace private industry. Although it does have a lot in common with Strasserist style national socialism.
I don't have a problem with territorial expansion if that's what you mean.

That is a great point on the military then.
However shouldnt all proper citizens just earn the right of voting?
Such as owing land or making a certain amount of money?
That would be better because what if people can't join the military for physical reasons?

What does that mean in practice?

>territorial expansion if that's what you mean.
Expansion all the way, friend.

there is no political reasons here, there is just fucking autistic ppl being what they know best, you come here to Redpill yourself?and then cry when someone gets you in the ass.

so why the fuck o you come to pol?

all that jew conspirancy is fucking stupid and you want to force everything always.

new memes dont last becuase they areforcerd and fucking autistic

there is no hidden ideology dont be so fucking stupid ppl are just assholes becuase they love the attention like the fucking little faggots they are

Common property of the means of production. Individual property for workers.

>However shouldnt all proper citizens just earn the right of voting?
That's a fair enough point. It's really more of a matter of political meritocracy though.
>Such as owing land or making a certain amount of money?
Well, the thing about a system of market cooperatives is that there is relative economic equality within that particular system, although it lacks the drawbacks of a completely planned economy (such as shortages). So money wouldn't really be much of a means to gain political power, nor should it.
>That would be better because what if people can't join the military for physical reasons?
People like that could be given a desk job, or do some sort of civil service for the state that isn't necessarily physical in nature.
Not sure what the point is of this post.

Well the USSR certainly was more based than the degenerate west.

I'm not sure what you mean exactly by "means of production"?

Is that something like a printing press or kiln?

Is owning a private means of production allowed?

He's basically talking about factories, machinery. The tools that are used to produce products.

communism is cancer

Communism is a resource based economy that advocates for internationalism. That's not what I'm advocating.

Production is allowed in the transition period. Until single government plan is developed, industry is automated and united. Means of production is a heavy industry that controls the rest of production.

So you're natsoc lite?

I mean definitely man. I agree with you, but it would never happen.

Our system won't change.

So would I be allowed to legally posses my own printing equipment and publish my own magazine?

You basically just described my views generally too lad

>It's lonely since hardly anyone else seems to share this combination of views

;_;

All you're doing is describing 1920s-30s facists.....

Yes, you can operate commonly owned printing equipment without censorship in the later stages. You may have your own in the transition.

I used to be a full fledged communist. Until I started actually talking to other communists and saw that many of them didn't care about stopping immigration despite the fact immigrants lower the wages of the national proletariat. Not to mention, rich capitalists are the one's who bring in foreign workers in order to inflate the labor market and decrease workers bargaining rights. Not to mention, I became more and more concerned about the fact that whites are becoming a minority in the west. I saw that many minorities were voting in ways that are against my best economic self interests (supporting the democratic establishment).
The modern left appeared hypocritical. I got sick of it. So I guess you could consider me a left leaning NatSoc in some ways.

As long as you aren't stealing anyone else's surplus labor and are simply benefiting from the fruits of your own labor than yes. Once you start to exploit people through wage slavery, than it becomes a problem. Otherwise you could join a cooperative and own those things collectively as well.
I know how you feel user. People look at you funny when you start talking about how much you hate niggers than start talking about the proletariat.
Well, most forms of fascism generally advocate for class collaboration. I advocate a complete elimination of the bourgeois class. Although you might call me a left wing fascist or a conservative socialist.

>you are advocating communism
>kumbaya
internationalism means refugees bring your nationalist to are country nothing will go wrong.
i can't wait to line your kind against the wall

>internationalism means refugees bring your nationalist to are country

wut m8?

>I used to be a full fledged communist. Until I started actually talking to other communists and saw that many of them didn't care about stopping immigration despite the fact immigrants lower the wages of the national proletariat
YOu were a shitty communist if you were thinking in the form of wages

>Alt-Left

You mean National Socialism?

Wages exist user. You can't pretend that you're living in full fledged fully automated luxury communism when you're living under capitalism. Not to mention, most immigrants are just lumpens who want gibs rather than a complete overhaul of the economic and political system.

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OP, I think we have similar views, but you have more tendency to the right. What you think of glorious Hoxha?

>literally trying to argue through memes.
Not worth it m8.
I've always favored Tito more actually. Mainly because he didn't hate markets, his country had the highest standard of living in the Eastern bloc and he preserved his nation at all odds. Even standing up to Stalin.

Also on OP pic you have to reduce sickle and get couple of hammers or hammer and a sword, yes?

So you're a national communist as opposed to the alt-right national socialists?

He is more nationalist then communist.

I've actually started to favor fascism a bit more lately. I used to be a full fledged communist but the members of that particular movement kind of turned me off to the whole thing. Mainly because they cared more about nigger and tranny rights than they did about actual worker ownership.
National-Bolshevists are fine with me, although I wouldn't necessarily call myself that. Some national socialists are pretty cool too although I generally favor Strasserists within the NatSoc movement.

I have a mix of political views that have changed over time. At this point I kind of just call myself alt-left.

If you are worried about immigrants and race in your society as a socialist/communist you are neither of those things

Brother I think you're basically describing National
Socialism. In which case you'd fit in here far better than anywhere else.

89% National Socialist then?

Yeah, 'alt-X' is just a way of saying 'I believe what I believe even though it doe snot fit the predefined party structure.' Also, your ideology is seems like national socialist with some extra communism mixed in.

Your internationalism with bring in refugees is making Europe more right wing nationalist.

your plural society is not working and soon it will back fire on you.

I'm not a communist. Although economically I'm still a socialist.
There were some alright natsocs. Although I wish that Hitler didn't side with the industrialists.

State run production

>ruled by the proletariat class
So no person/people overseeing everything at all?

I am kind of close, but disagree some places.

However, I am in support of your movement and would enjoy a subscription to your publication.

I'm not advocating internationalism dumb-ass. Read my posts.

So the private ownership of anything being considered a means of production would ultimately be outlawed?

Thank you, but I have no desire to engage in exploitative artistic collaborations.

I wouldn't be allowed to own an independent set up doing things just the way I like them?

kek, yeah, to me seems perfectly normal to dislike having troublesome non-white minorities in your country, and to despise the damaging influence of global capital too. Particularly since the ultra capitalists and politically correct liberals are basically working together hand in hand in many ways - just look at immigration policies for one example, or how pc liberals obsess about modern identity politics while letting the ultra capitalists get on with the looting.

>totally not a commie shill thread
all leftists are jew puppets

You can't be communist and nationalist at the same time. Communism is 100% globalist. What you mean to say is that you used to think you were communist.

your internationalism is a failed idea

Says the retard on the most unifying invention in human history

Then you're pretty much a silly, gay Third Positionist. Ok.

So Nat-Soc then?

How is that different from alt-right?

You're just a socialist who doesn't like brown people.

t. Socialist.

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>itt: champion of the workers gommie finds out he's actually a evil nazi

Dude I just realized this is exactly me. I always thought I was alt right on social values and not economic but now I know I'm alt left.

The closest thing I have to a "movement" is a semi dead board on 2+3+3 chan called /thirdpositionist/. As well as a steam group called "alliance of the nationalist left".
Fair enough, I respect that even though I don't necessarily agree.
Well, it seems to me that socialism cannot work in a multicultural society. Non-whites are too ignorant to understand or even care collective ownership. Also, I agree with you 100%.
But I'm not a communist m8. I'm a socialist, however, contrary to popular belief, Marx didn't invent the concept of socialism.
What's wrong with that?

You said you used to be communist but the truth is you never were.

Communism is staunchly anti-tradition, anti-border, and anti-unique race/culture.
You were not a communist, you just didn't know what communist meant before. Stalin's socialist dictatorship may or may not be considered a stage of communism, but he ultimately dropped Marx' book regardless of what people would like to think.

Moving on, what's wrong with individuals owning factories? If someone puts his inheritance into creating a workshop that grows into a factory, why does it need to be taken away from him? Wouldn't it be possible to set in place regulations to prevent abuses and thus have a workable system that allows individuals to reach for the stars, so to speak?

Party does. And the democratically elected arms of the government. Party has the final say over elected representatives.

Purge the corrupting unholy alliance of bosses and invaders, National Bolshevism now!

Fuck off with this alt right party.

I swear you fuckers will make me Dump Trump and support the cunt just out of spite

>So the private ownership of anything being considered a means of production would ultimately be outlawed?
It would be physically integrated into common property and united industry.

You might be interested in some of these links:
altleft.com/
youtube.com/watch?v=THjlCdB47Kc
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strasserism
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism
I never had too much of a problem with nigs until they started rioting and saying that I am somehow "privileged" for being a white male, despite the fact that I only make $9.50 an hour. Not to mention, I was fully invested in the idea of communist internationalism and a resource based economy. That is, until I started to examine my own beliefs.

Do you prefer being thrown face forwards or face backwards out of a helicopter?

Because socialism is public ownership of the means of production. What happens with them are ideally dealt with democratically by those with the most knowledge of it. Inheretance doesn't exist in a socialist society, because money doesnt exist.

All you are describing is capitalism

wtf i hate the alt right now

>What's wrong with that?

Well it's pretty stupid to just judge people based on something such as skin colour, i know plenty of brown people who are just fine. However I support your right to free speech, even if it makes you look like a clown.

So you had no problem with nigs until you realized how shitty they were?

Why can't you brown friends go and be fine in their own lands?

>regardless of what people would like to think
The best argument I've ever heard.

Why bother separating people into classes? Why not call them, say, Irishmen, or Germans? Why do we need reprisal against people who have accumulated wealth? Isn't the real problem a lack of nationalist fervor and a sick world view focused on infinite growth and limitless greed that guides people to abuse those with less?

That's pretty much stalinism except the minority hating.

who controls the use of this 'common property'? won't they have the ultimate power? you cant just have it be a free for all. you will end up with the same communist committees who help out their cronies on other committees because they have power.

Separation of classes doesn't happen in the head, but in the way the production is organized.

>opposed to globalism
Good luck sustaining yourself.

Because we need as many people as possible for the revolution, Comrade.

Don't get me wrong I support the idea freedom from the slavery of the capitalists.
I just don't want to be forced to work in a cooperative.
I value my own creative independence too much.
Would that even be allowed?

I wouldn't be allowed to own an independent set up doing things just the way I like them?

Wow I guess I'm #altleftMissile now since that sounds great

many brown and black people were born in western countries, those are their own lands.

There is a new verification system in place. Only subjects who passed numerous theoretical tests under truth drugs and lie detector with new MRI technology will become members of the party. Any subject who wish to use party for its own benefit will be purged.

>I value my own creative independence too much.
>Would that even be allowed?
why wouldn't it

Your input and ideas suddenly don't disappear in a socialist society. the point is that you have direct input on the things that interest you most .

You fucking piece of shit get lost asshole.

If you don't make money out of it and is a non-profit organization then you are good.

>Moving on, what's wrong with individuals owning factories?
The thing is, private ownership ends up doing a lot of damage to the nation/overall society in the long run. Small businesses eventually become big businesses and in turn, use their financial power to lobby the government in order to enact laws that make it easier for them to form a monopoly. Not to mention, one CEO cannot possibly be able to do the same amount of work as say, the 10,000 proles under his employ. Yet he makes a wage that is much higher than that of his workers. He's essentially exploiting their labor in order to make himself rich.
You also have to look at the damage that capitalism has done to the nations of the world. The Trans Pacific Partnership is a fine example of this. You have multinational corporations who want to have the ability to sue the United States government in an international court, should the U.S. government pass laws that may impede on their personal profits. To me, capitalism is essentially systematic Judaism.
>If someone puts his inheritance into creating a workshop that grows into a factory, why does it need to be taken away from him?
Mainly for the reasons I mentioned. As far as I'm concerned, the needs of the society should outweigh the needs of the individual.
>Wouldn't it be possible to set in place regulations to prevent abuses and thus have a workable system that allows individuals to reach for the stars, so to speak?
That might work to an extent. Except for the fact that once a particular business within a particular industry gets big enough, the owners of that business use their financial power to lobby the government to get those regulations removed. Capitalism is essentially a system of infinite unsustainable growth.

Yeah totally agree, there has been loads of studies showing how multicultural societies and generally left-wing economic programs are incompatible as you say - the idea of the so called "progressive's dilemma", that as a society becomes more multicultural, trust declines, community spirit declines, and public support for redistributive and/or socialist economic policies declines, etc. It's only in more generally homogeneous societies that socialism, a welfare state, solidarity etc can gain enough support.

Isn't it interesting how most so-called modern left parties seem more focused on backing policies that lead to more multiculturalism etc, while the socialist side with left wing economic policies seems sometimes only an afterthought? It's almost as if the left has been subverted...as if they seem to be unknowingly (or perhaps knowingly) doing the bidding of global capital...

>I'm pretty much NatSoc, but pls don't call me a Nazi, I'm one of those trendy and cool communists, except not retard, I'm smart
Communism is Jewish and international by nature