So they're canon in the mainverse as well now?

So they're canon in the mainverse as well now?

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Distancing Harley from the joker was a mistake.

>we want the tumblr crowd

Distancing Joker from Harley is the best thing he has going for him right now.

Harley keeps dragging Joker down into the gutter with her and it pisses me off.

They have been ever since DC confirmed it over Twitter months ago.

Now can we stop obsessing over it?

Harley is better off with joker joker is better off without her it's a conundrum

This can't be good for Harley's feminist icon status. Or is it? I don't fucking know.

Oops meant to quote

This I agree with.

Harley's solo isn't Earth 0.

Shit pairing

I'm pretty sure they alkways were.

Fuck off Landis.

Nah. That was just a dream sequence or what if, I spoke with Palmiotti when that came out and he told me that that scene could or couldn't have happened. They are only canon in the Bombshells universe

>Now
Confirmed for not reading comics.

subtext =/= actual action.

They aren't canon until the writers put something to verified that claim, like in Bombshells

Or in Sirens.
Or in the Harley Quinn book several times. If you had a male and female character naked and rubbing on each other while exchanging flirty comments as Harley and Ivy often do, there would be no question.

I have read Harley & Ivy several times and the only thing that hinted it was the fact that they both sleep in the same bed.

Harley old solo too and the only hint is pic related

Sirens the only reference was when Harley confronted Ivy with the "It is because you love me?" line

Up until Bombshells it was hinted at, a subtext here a reference there but never outright shown

>they sleep in the same bed
Completely platonic of course, I mean who doesn't like to spoon with their BFF in bed?

They don't even do that. It's never shown why they sleep in the same bed.

>french ivy
Neat

Subtext is still Text. The sapphic subtext between them has existed for as long as their relationship has and the fact that some people are actually expressing shock that writers are now forgoing being coy about their relationship is a sigb of how shit this board has become.

What reason could they're actually be?

>it's a 'str8's deny gay romance till the cows come home' thread

Now it was actually a great idea, it's a lesson that Batman should really consider learning.

Right? Nothing gay about cuddling your bro, and confiding your hopes and dreams, coupled with a brojob. As long as you say no homo.

I feel the solution is to have her spend more time on her own but in the end she always comes back round to the joker.
Not so much not caring about him for a while as other things need to be done elsewhere for a while

That's why action is impotant. Many people can't follow subtext and if they do they don't pay much attention and it gets forgetten. That's why Bombshells taking the initiative is seeing as good, because people were tired of the "will they won't they" shit, and if wriyers put too much subtext where it looked ridiculous then why don't take the next move?. That's why people are acting shocked

Just bros kissing bros while looking deep into each other's eyes and whispering sweet brothings.
>no homo

Jesus fuck it's like I'm in a lyrabon thread on /mlp/ this level of fucking denial is incredible

Somehow your an even bigger faggot then the folks that are in denial

Man I am talking about the difference about subtext and actual action

>Right? Nothing gay about cuddling your bro, and confiding your hopes and dreams
I unironically agreed with you upto this point.

it's not an interesting or useful plot development. probably they'd end up as background lesbians in non-solo books if it became fully canon

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Ivy is Harley's Harley. She's an expression of Harley's codependence and Ivy's emotional outlet.

>being this casual

Don't fucking touch me.

Why are some ppl saying that page from Bombshells is definitive proof Harley and Ivy are into each other? Isn't that book a AU story and not canonical to the main universe? Never read it so not sure.

This looks like the main universe, where's it from? First time I've seen this posted.

>Isn't that book a AU story and not canonical to the main universe?
Yeah.

>definitive proof Harley and Ivy are into each other
Not to say that they aren't, but it's definitely not definitive proof. The same comic has Barda being a lesbian but that doesn't mean she's not into Mister Miracle.

That's subtext but at the same tine it trying to show something, good

People are happy that at least for one book it wasn't subtext and it actually showed Ivy & Harley being into each other without a cop-out in it. People don't care that it's an AU, they care that it actually SHOWED something like a kiss rather than sonething else

And OP pic is from the Harley & Pee-Gee mini. It's actyally a dream/what-if. Palmiotti never intended to made it canon, just another of his jokes

Got ya! Thanks! Really liked the HarleyxIvy page from bombshells, shame it can't happen in main.

Well fuck, oh well, at least DC confirmed their relationship via a misc twitter post rather than make them doing anything definitive in the books.

So, what's this from?
Art's nice.

Isent wanting a character to return to there roots pretty much the least casual thing one can do. sure you could argue that maybe user has shit taste but to say its casual is just redicilus.

DC Bomshells book

Much obliged.

DC Bombshells book

>implying Ivy and Harley weren't a thing since Btas

My overall complaint with this is that they seem to be only giving the female villains this "Love makes you good" treatment.

>Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy are scissoring to become good.
>Catwoman batting at Batman's balls helps her out.

I don't mind the idea of them turning good; I just wish they either turn other male villains good or introduce more female villains to balance it out. It seems like the message they are giving out is that only females can become good people, which is a hypocritical double standard.

I mean, imagine a female version of the Joker who hates both the Joker AND Batman, and tries to out-do the Joker to make the most people laugh first, or the Riddler staying good yet still trying to prove his worth as the smarter person to Batman. Hell, bring back Two-Face who turned good way back from Batman's early comic years, or make the Joker get amnesia again and have him become just another average Joe.

There's a lot of potential for great stories with villains being good or meeting up with other female villains! You don't need romance to make female villains good, and there are plenty of stories that can be told with male villains being good.

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Harley is better off with the trashcan.

To be fair, Harley and Ivy's relationship has never been a healthy one.

Harley runs back to Ivy when Joker abuses her, Ivy welcomes her with open arms, then Harley leaves her again. Harley knows she has Ivy wrapped around her finger and can get affection from her. It's not mean spirited, but Harley definitely takes advantage of her.

Meanwhile for all Ivy's complaints that Harley should be her own woman, Ivy really wants Harley to be exactly the same doormat she is for Joker with her. In Kesel's book it's revealed that Harley is chemically dependent on formulas provided by Ivy- without them she dies. That's not something you do to someone you want to be her own woman. Ivy wants Harley away from the Joker, but she also wants to own her.

The codependence of both women feed into one another, and neither one will ever be fulfilled. They aren't healthy, or happy, or romantic. They're needy and desperate and sick.

Back to CBR with you.

You don't say no homo? Fag

>Tfw if Barbara had been with Kara instead of lusting after the bat boys she might not have gotten crippled

>We want the crowd that thinks lesbians are hot, which we've wanted since the first time someone drew Harley and Ivy in the same panel together

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What issue is that from anyway? I haven't read HQ in ages.

The joker showing up less often is something to be celebrated.

Yes. He works best as backseat driver. if that makes any sense. The way he was in Black Hand.

>Bombshells universe
Thanks for getting me to look into this, it looks neat. I dig this WWII era alternate universe stuff.

It's pretty much 21st century women cosplaying as WWII era people though.

Who cares? If I wanted a realistic depiction of the war I wouldn't be reading superhero comics.

These guys get it it.

Joker should be in the background as a spoiler, not front and center.

>dat thick farmgirl Kara

>your head will never rest between two creamy Kryptonian thighs

>Swamp thing appears to save russian supergirl and star girl
This is magical.

Harley without the joker just doesn't work for me. She was made just to be his sidekick for fuck's sake and her madness, which just derived from her devotion to the Joker, is what makes her the lovely character she is. Making her "get over" the joker is killing her character imo.

Harley and Ivy was fun till broken brained mutant dykes came along and fucked it up.

All that potential for a fun duo and for Ivy not to be boring and useless as shit for once, and it's all gone just because of people's weird obsession with creepy lesbian mutants.

>now

It has been ever since Dini and Timm made Harley in the 1990s they were just too pussy to be explicit about it (no pun intended).

You fucking retards are so obsessed with your political agenda and muh tumblr boogeyman that you're in denial about what was clear way before "muh tumblr durrrherfderf" even existed.

Not everything is about your agenda, Dini and Timm thought they were cute and made it pretty obvious it was a thing and as people became more okay with lgbt it became more obvious, and that is all get off your goddamn soapbox for once

Dini and Timm liked the joker and harley a LOT better.

This.

Harley and Ivy was pure fapbait, not an SJW agenda.

Think with your dicks for once people, jesus.

This.

Harley and Ivy are cute but they are not intended to be a positive relationship. Ivy isn't as bad as the Joker, no one is, but the dynamic is similar or Ivy wants to to be similar (currently Harley takes advantage of Ivy a lot, maybe without knowing it). It is unhealthy and co-dependent and they are not role models for anyone.

In Mad Love when Harley talks about being drawn to psychopaths with Dr. Leiland, she glances over at Ivy in her cell. This is before they met but the implication is obviously that Harley's feelings for Ivy are not too far off from the nature of hers for Joker and in their own way are bad news.

They are also villains it's no shock it's not all cuddle and puppies.

As a comedy duo sure but you can bet damn sure they fapped more to Ivy on Harley. It's not deep. Two hot chicks together.

I can't believe I'm trying to explain the sex appeal of girl-on-girl here? What the fuck is wrong with you guys is this a beta thing?

>Dini and Timm fapping more to Ivy and Harley than Joker x Harley

if that were the case, Timm would've drawn more porn for them.

These guys know whats up

He only did a small handful for either pair and he made those when he had to be very careful, people were very skittish about confirming a major character was gay, they still are but in the 90s it was much, much worse. I remember the few Harley/Ivy pictures it did make triggered outrage back then from some people.

They're just friends you stupid nigger.

He made a whole comic where harley is wearing nothing but a nightgown and is trying to seduce the Joker 24/7. I'd say Joker and Harley is Jimm's favorite thing to fap to.

It's a forced shitty ship, who gives a fuck

You're acting like the Harley & Ivy mini never happened, or to be more precise the bath scene

You're ignoring an awful lot of the Harley&Ivy Timm Dini comics there pal.

I do with my mate and we aren't gay.

My main problem with Harley and Ivy as a couple in the current books is that Palmiotti and Palmer ruined the dynamic of the pair.

Under Bruce Timm Ivy was the dominant one who was constantly dragged and frustrated by Harley hi-jinks while Harley was the funny klutz. ¨They were basically the Brain and Pinky.

Under Jimmy Palmiotti and Amanda Palmer Harley's the dominant one who does whatever she wants whenever she wants while Ivy keep following her like a lost puppy. Harley lost her appeal as the lovable klutz and Ivy lost her appeal as the confident and dominant femme fatale.

The weird thing about them being a gay couple is also the fact that Harley's constantly chasing men and treating Ivy as the friend-zone friend that she just teases.

This x 1000.

That's not how they've ever been, though. For as long as Ivy's been in main continuity she's been the one Ivy follows. Look at Kesel's book.

>The weird thing about them being a gay couple is also the fact that Harley's constantly chasing men and treating Ivy as the friend-zone friend that she just teases.

yes, this is how they've always been. Are you just noticing?

Ivy was the dominant one under Bruce Timm. That's what i watched and read. So i'm sorry.

Bruce Timm hasn't had a say in the character in almost two decades

I'm just saying that i liked the pair best under his writing, dude.

Ivy lost all her appeal because of Harley, at least in the Harley book written by Palmiotti and Palmer that i read.

>We want the softcore audience
This is gratuitous and unnecessary.

Well I'm sorry you're grossly out of date and ignorant of comic book continuity.

Are you also surprised when Dick isn't Robin?

You're acting all triggered, dude. Chill

>get BTFO
>b...better use the trigger meme

W--What?. I am not the same dude,bro. The user clearly said that he preferred Timm's take, not that he had the definite take on them. You appeared all triggered because he preferred one rather than the other. Chill out dude

What comic is this from? I thought I read all of Harley's New52 comics.

He (you) literally said he didn't read anything else.

Harley & Power-Girl #5

Calm down dude, he prefer one take on them, not big deal. Chill

I'm the user you're talking about. I watched the cartoons and read the associated comics which Bruce Timm wrote some. I also read the current Harley Quinn series and minis. That's it.

I just like Timm's take the best. Both Harley and Ivy seemed to be their own characters with wants and dislikes. Both Harley and Ivy were independent enough.

Ivy under Palmiotti and Palmer is just there whenever Harley needs her, to either help her with her powers and expertise or to give a warm shoulder for Harley to cry about her love life. Ivy's basically an assistant. That's not the Ivy i know or find appealing. That's also why i don't understand why people are happy that Harley and Ivy are finally together for "real" just because the teasing between the two is much more overt, because if you read the stories Harley pretty much treat Ivy as convenient friend who she can use and tease. How the fuck can fans be happy when Harley is chasing that Mason character like crazy while ignoring Ivy's feelings or making fun of her for said feelings?

Never read the other run you mentioned, but in regards to the current books i prefer Timm's take.

Probably because they've read more than one comic book in the last 20 years desu senpai

>How the fuck can fans be happy when Harley is chasing that Mason character like crazy while ignoring Ivy's feelings or making fun of her for said feelings?

You think they are happy?. Fuck no, the contrary, plenty of people find it wrong and disgusting. Me included, like you said, Ivy & Harley under Timm & Dini take were much more complementary, the same can be said during Kesel run on her old ongoing. Sure, Ivy appeared when Harley needed help but she still felt like her own character