Who was in the wrong here?

Who was in the wrong here?
>implying it wasn't Steve

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I want an AU where none of the Hydra shit happened to SHIELD and Steve still trusts the government, Tony hadn't build Ultron and the one who was framed for a terrorist attack was Pepper.

would you rather we talked about your dumbed-down TV shows with no plot made for preschool children?

Or perhaps it's your DESU BAKA ANIMUUUUU FEMPAIIAIAII made for virgin NEETs who need an excuse to fap without being accused of downloading porn

seriously kys, whatever it is

Are you retarded?

TV and Anime are not this boards topic either.

So basically the complete opposite of Civil War.
Except all the guys on their sides probably wouldn't change.
Vision and Nat would still favor government oversight to catastrophe.
T'challa would still want revenge.
Wanda would still want freedom and Clint would help because he's a cool guy.
Stark still has the money to bankroll Peter and Scott is still fanboying over Cap.
I guess the only ones who would change side are Sam and Rhodey, since they're most likely to side with their friends.

I don't think you read my post right

(You)

Iron Man was wrong in every single way

Being restricted by government organizations who can in turn use them as weapons is insane given how corrupt the government is in the MCU, and it's fucking Ross that wants to make this all happens, the man behind the Abomination. If they had all agreed to sign, Bucky would be dead for a crime he didn't commit and Zemo would never have been brought to justice.

He's also wrong when he wants to kill Bucky for killing his parents. Bucky was under mind control. By the same logic, Hawkeye should be held accountable for all the murders he committed under Loki's mind control.

based Gracie said it best, just skip to: Captain Americas character assassination

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Where was SHIELD in this movie anyway?

>it's muh shield
>not it's muh shield muh daddy made it
>it's muh shied you dun deserve it

Trying very hard to remain alive.

Both were wrong in a way, but Tony really takes the prize. I felt Steve was the only one one who was really using his brains more than his ego.

Actually saving the world.

And how did that work out for them?

We'll find out tonight I guess.

>watching noncanon media

>structuring your entertainment consumption based on some idea of shared universe consistency, and not just whatever you feel like watching.

>I felt Steve was the only one one who was really using his brains more than his ego.
>Is now a wanted fugitive with half of the Avengers
>Everything Nat said would happen happened because of his arrogance
All he had to do was sign a damn piece of paper and he could have went about shit and at worse got a slap on wrist at the end of the movie Tony pretty much ignored Ross showing that the Accords can't force them to do anything.

This. In the end Tony did whatever the fuck he wanted anyway but at least he didn't end up in jail or as a renegade criminal.

sign was only a temporary solution. Tony was clear that his intention was to buy time to find a way to get rid of Ross. Unfortunately cap comes from the past. Sign, for him is a commitment and an obligation to be respected in any case. He does not understand that modern politics is full of compromises and loopholes

Personally, i think that in the "marvel world" where there are upright heroes, aliens, and deities that control your mind, the Cap position is more right. In a real world, or in a world with "Ultimates Avengers" heroes who are not very upright, Tony position sound better.

What got me was that Tony flat out said to him that the Accords could be amended, and that by signing he'd save Bucky from going to a Wakandan prison.

Then he mentions Wanda being confined to the compound and Cap loses his shit and throws everything in Tony's face, despite Tony sticking his neck out for him the entire movie.

He got his team together to bring in Cap and Bucky because it was either them or a kill squad that wasn't gonna bother taking them alive, and Cap is still an ungrateful, dismissive ass.

And confining Wanda to headquarters was a perfectly reasonable thing to do,m given how the media was painting her, if she'd gone out somewhere she could've been attacked by an angry mob and had another incident on her head.

Wanda was not American and Sokovia not even seem an allied country, so it made sense, but not all the audience has understood the situation. It is also true that Tony should have been more honest with Wanda. Tony only speak with Cap about Wanda that is not American, but he has not really heard..

I suspect that Tony has not yet forgiven Wanda. which is understandable

Fair enough, but it is worth pointing out:
-Steve (and company) didn't really know about Tony sticking his neck out for them.
-Steve wasn't actively trying to "fight" the Accords. The choice he was given was sign or retire, and he chose retire until all that nonsense with Bucky happened. If not for Zemo's plots, the Accords would have only meant Captain America shooting golf with Hawkeye.
-In Steve's mind, confining Wanda to headquarters was perfectly reasonable in the same way as his Jap buddy had to choose between confinement and the army during the war.

truth

Superman syndrome.

Cap is right

His fucking name is the title

I liked Steve just dropping the shield and carrying his bro away leaving Tony in the middle of his bitchfit.

The problem is anonymity combined with inexperience. In MCU, Earth has no idea how to handle superhumans, they have no experience with them, they have no idea what standard to hold them to. And they also aren't nameless soldiers in uniforms, they are well known people that the public recognizes on sight. It's entirely different to say, "SHIELD made a mistake." than it is to say "Wanda Maximov made a mistake."

So when New York or Sarkovia happens, people want someone to blame, it's just human nature. Since they can point to specific individuals involved in the fighting, they blame them. And since they have no experience, world governments have no context to draw on, they can't say, "Of course this happened, we can't expect X superperson to do Y feat, it's not in their power." Because of that inexperience, they expect people who can do amazing things to be able to do anything, because they already do things thought to be impossible.

But to be more specific, Tony was wrong. Ultron was his fault and he knows it, he was just projecting his guilt onto the rest of the team. Had no one signed, the Accords would have died because as much as governments hate power being out of their hands, they probably hate the idea of human extinction more, which is what the Avengers averted. Plus an alien invasion and the fall of those same governments. Cap could have handled everything with Bucky better, but the real blame there is whoever told the Germans to kill him, had they been told to bring him in alive like they should have been, Cap would not have been as motivated to intervene, and Panther probably would have killed him. But the truth about Zemo would have been discovered eventually.

>But to be more specific, Tony was wrong. Ultron was his fault and he knows it, he was just projecting his guilt onto the rest of the team.

Tony was consumed by guilt, but he did not create the accords. Ross met him and imposed the accords, exactly as he did with others. The whole scene with Ross and Steve shows that Ross is not negotiating, is threatening them. Tony also says, "If we do not sign now, they will persecute us".

Essentially the governments will not accept conditions, it's in fact an attempt to put them off law. Tony wants to protect the group. He repeated this three fucking times in the movie.
Yes, he wants to get under control too, but even to keep the band together.

The world governments.

Steve's reaction and belief the Avengers would be used as weapons was right.
Tony trying to work within the system while keeping both eyes open was also right.

And yet Tony brought T'challa with them to the airport knowing damn well he wanted Bucky's blood (and if not for Wanda, he'd have gutted him right there). Even Tony clearly didn't care about Bucky's life, even before he found out about the parents thing.

Steve was right not to cooperate. It was the only way Bucky wasn't going to be sacrificed.