Homestuck

Void is the most OP aspect, please nerf

>that poor asshole who got Blood as aspect power
>"your power is leadership and friendship :^)"

If Breath is freedom, is Blood bdsm? Is that why Dave went gay for Karkat?

Blood is eternal cuckolding.

Even the Sufferer got cucked by the Psiionic fucking his Disciple behind his back.

>If Breath is freedom
Stopped reading there.

knight of blood is probably pretty good if you've got a session of actual friends
being able to weaponize your bonds and shit

Nice b8

>being the knight of blood 'weaponizes your bonds'
>karkat's friends fight for him

i... guess... that kind of makes sense?

Cook me, Rose

Cook me

Nah, it's just a loser aspect for total losers who need others to do shit for him.

Why did John get timetravel powers? Isn't that Dave's job?

juju shenanagins

but honestly i feel like dave should've fucking done some god damn time travel, like, did game over not show dave that maybe he should be using his time powers to help fix shit?

Maybe abandoning their aspect is a Knight thing.

TIME TRAVEL BAD>:(

PLAYING GAME BAD>:(

DAVE STRIDER AND ROSE LALONDE AREN'T SELF DESTRUCTIVE RETARDS, THEY'RE INDEPENDENT FOR CHOOSING THE OPTION THAT RESULTS IN THEIR HORRIBLE HORRIBLE DEATHS

so hst was vriska all along im gonna puke

hst is Vriska, and HSG is (Vriska)

Hence why we always sit on HSG

if homestuck has a moral its that taking control of your destiny is pointless

Vriska is the key to all of this

Quick John retcon the past three years of the story

We need Vriska back

Save Vriska...

Save the world...

unless you have time travel powers, like john

or the ability to see alternative paths to specific outcomes, like terezi

oh, shit, wait, SURPRISE couldn't dave and rose do very fucking similar things? god damn it

they weren't the exact same powers, but we were shown DIRECTLY how dave and rose could've used their powers to contribute

fuck, if dave and rose had done their jobs John and Terezi probably wouldn't have had to pick up their slack!

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>Vriska sits on Tavros and bullies him
>Vriska sits on Tavros and bullies him in the afterlife
>Vriska is retconned back to life, sits on Jake and bullies him
>she gets to the dreambubbles, sits on (Vriska) and bullies her in the afterlife
>Vriska enters the new universe, sits on Karkat, bullies him, eats his Kiwi, fucks his Dave and Jade, sets Can Town on fire, bangs Terezi on his birthday, hires random carapaces to beat him up daily, "helps" Karkat by hiding, negating and destroying all suicide options

It's okay when Vriska does this.

Maybe the entire reason John and Terezi pick up the slack is because Dave and Rose are by nature of who they are incapable of doing their jobs.

john certainly doesnt take control of his destiny, he just does what hes told. terezi is arguable but ultimately everything she does just leads to things being as they were always going to be anyway.

>Dave and Rose are by nature of who they are incapable of doing their jobs.

If human beings don't have arcs, does that mean Roxy is a robot?

maybe they should've become people who could do their jobs then.

maybe that would've been a more interesting story than them sitting on their asses on a meteor and fucking.

>ambigious ending after a disappointing act 6 where the author went full meta and inserted himself into the story

OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Did he forget or just stop caring?

neither, he just went so far up his own ass he thinks the ending was good

>There is an alternate universe where Andrew Hussie made Problem Stuck 2 instead of Homestuck
>He wasn't too popular, but all that changed when he and his friend Toby "Radiation" Fox released Hometale - a indie darling RPG with immense replayability and character debelopment

all he's talking about it reaching a page that has 'the end' on it rather than stopping halfway through. the quality of said page is not stated

>tying up the loose ends makes all the difference
Eat shit faggot

>The longer and less funny answer will need some reflection. Maybe some day I will say some things about it. For now, I will leave you to draw your own conclusions.

Eh, I'm guessing he had an actual mental breakdown or something.

he unironically had the whole game thing fall apart and his dad die at about the same time. you can read the depression kicking in with less enthusiastic pesterlogs and more malicious fanbase-bating jokes

Blood is the alpha timeline, similar to how Mind is alternate timelines. Mind travels the synapses of the Universe Frog, Blood travels the circulatory system; i.e. the veins.

Mind is based on choice. Blood is based on fate.

>Blood is the alpha timeline
Then how come Karkat is a 8eta kuck? Checkm8, 8KEW.

Ha, oh geez. That is literally the most insulting thing I have ever been called. What a horse's ass that dumbshit is.

Kankri was a Seer of Blood and he was able to travel along the veins of the Universe frog to 'see' past instances of the alpha reality. Karkat as a Knight of Blood is well... depends on how you define Knight. People seem to like the idea of 'protector' for knight. Karkat would then be the protector of the alpha reality. And Karkat is the character most associated with talking with past versions of himself that are still a part of the alpha timeline. He conceives of the alpha timeline as showing discrete versions of himself. He treats past and future versions of his alpha reality as unique individuals that he fights with. That probably ties in with his Blood aspect if it's so interpreted as being the fate/alpha equivalent of Mind.

>John, being John, did what (Terezi) tells him and never really took control of things
>(Terezi) took control of things but she died and was fated for irrelevancy
>Retcon Terezi wasn't responsible for bringing Vriska and became MORE of an emotional wreck than (Terezi)
>Retcon Vriska had everything handed to her on a platter (resurrection, leadership, the juju, the army), and in the end she never learned anything and will probably never be happy anyway
Fuck this, I consider Game Over and all that followed non-canon because to do otherwise is to admit I spent years reading a story where no one's choices ever mattered.

So which was a worse fate for Vriska? Becoming a simpering pansy without any purpose or validation, or just returning to stock Vriska and throwing all her development under the bus?

Because I honestly can't decide.

Breath is not freedom; it's flow. It's not necessarily an acceptance of fate, but a flow and movement with where the narrative leads. Not sure how many of you read Order of the Stick, but I'd call Breath as something similar to Elan's abilities regarding understanding the narrative and story-mechanics.

Heirs are about inheriting responsibilities. Ultimately, John, as an Heir of Breath, is meant to inherit the responsibilities over the flow of the story. Which he does when he touches the ultimate weapon. John becomes the author.

Andrew couldn't decide whether the ones who wanted Vriska to be punished or the ones who wanted Vriska to win at everything were right. So, he made both versions exist.

I like weenie Vriska more

So current blood theories:

1. Bonds, relationships, pacts, responsibility
2. leadership and vitality, ie. stamina
3. Alpha timeline
4. can tap into friends powers, like Rouge from xmen (stealing kanayas speed)
5. red miles

????????????????
add your own
>in b4 cuck, etc

>weenie

Retcon Vriska never had the Meenah romance scenes, (Vriska) loses by default.

dead vriska can sort of improve, assuming she hangs out with the right kind of people and learns how to build actual self esteem instead of fake self esteem
alive vriska is having the most intense relevance high of her life and is probably not going to learn a thing in centuries. experience proves that leaving her around other people does not improve her, it just degrades the others

(vriska) could grow thanks to an exceptional combination of irrelevance, lack of validation, solitude, and self-awareness (due to aranea's actions). it'll probably be a millenium or two before the stars align again and alive vriska has an epiphany.

in a way, alive vriska is like a crack addict living on chemical happiness.
it's what she wants.
(vriska) is on withdrawal but at least she knows she will be a better, more balanced, happier person now that she's sworn herself to the str8 edge lifestyle.
it's what she needs.

so in the end, i'd say alive vriska has it worse.

this shit all just echoes the opinions i already have about existence. if you think freedom and power over your life are things that exist try and explain why you spend time on Sup Forums

It's short for bloody useless

>definition of blood:
cuck
candyred semen stain
crybaby
manlet
taking dick in ass
feeling guilty for no reason

Blood is fear.
>signless afraid of tyranny and death
>kankri afraid of offending people and women, and uses his seer powers to know when to make trigger warnings
>karkat is literally threatened by anything within a 10 mile radius, and uses his knight powers to turn his fears into a very loud and shouty defense mechanism

It likely depends on how Vriska feels in the wake of killing the big bad, that is if she's even still alive. As far as we can tell, Vriska never confronted the fact that she's miserable with who she is, yet she can't fight the impulse to act that way. So if she has survived the end, she'd likely revel in the afterglow of being the big hero for some time, then once that importance has faded she'll have to confront her issues head on. Perhaps she'll have people to help her confront said issues? Terezi is still dependent on her so that's someone that could help, although that same dependence may eliminate any actual help Terezi could offer, instead acting as a kindling for those negative impulses.

(Vriska) would face much the same confrontation with emotions, but in the reverse. She's gone too far the other way from her previous self, losing that edge to her personality which defined her. Can she recover enough of that without gaining the destructive and self hating impulses? Who knows, she has (Terezi) to help her out which is certainly a more useful compatriot to have given her success in directly confronting her issues, they could learn together with some success.

I'd say (Vriska) has the most chance of ending up healthy and happy, within reason. Given that her ability to succeed is still present, she just needs to relearn it in tandem with tempering herself to avoid the destructive tendencies of winning at any cost. Still, she's probably dead so hey who really gives a fuck.

>(Vriska) lives happily ever after with Terezi before getting killed by LE
>Vriska gets killed right away by LE

i like thinking about this stuff and im pretty sure that andrew had these questions in mind when he decided to pit the two potential vriskas against each other, but it frustrates me that it had to come about in such an aggravating way. if vriska had just been SLIGHTLY less of a mary sue post-retcon, or the other characters had stepped up a little instead of moping, it could have been bearable and the questions re: which vriska was healthier would still have been there

I'm probably nearly half a decade late with this shocking revelation of complete bullshit but consider the following

>mindfang lives in a period of alternia's history where technology has advanced enough to the point that one guy can assemble a prosthetic limb
>still using ships from the early 17th century

>people and women
kek

i dont see what the problem is, thats around the level of technology we had in the era of earth final fantasy was set in

The overall development of troll technology has always been all over the place.
Hell, it's very likely that trollkind had developed fucking FTL SPACE TRAVEL when Mindfang was sailing her old ass wooden ship.

(...God damn. Now I want psionic-powered naval battles.)

(vriska) and (terezi) being together in the afterlife still makes me feel warm inside

What if Vriska stayed DAOOTS After act 5?

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i thought mindfang was talking about spaceships the whole time i was reading her journal until i saw the fucking rigging in seer: ascend

>people ship them red in the afterlife
>Karkuck getting cucked even in death

Huh, that's a pretty fucking good question.

>homestuck could have had space pirates

It was really nice seeing a Terezi who'd faced her issues and a Vriska open to change coming together. Shame they're probably dead, and what we got in return is just depressing.

They also still use swords and such when they have actual laser rifles sitting around.

That's what you get with a society that lacks any form of formal education. They're like the Imperium of Man in 40k, except they just started that way.

i dont understand the 'what we got in return' argument. we didnt lose any of these versions of the characters, and their stories still happened and are there for us to read. homestuck seems pretty clear on the point that none of the infinite alternate selves are actually any more or less valid than the others, despite the apparent dominance of the alpha timeline

>literally the only interactions between Vriska and Terezi were antagonistic and shitty
>when Terezi remembers Vriska in the dream bubbles right after killing her, she literally says "wow I forgot what a crazy bitch you were"
>their relationship was built on both of them being good at murder and manipulating human boys but for completely different reasons, and nothing else
>people think they make a good pair in any context

the scourge sisters being treated as a good thing seems like one of those fanon things that became canon

SCOURGECEST, user.

INSTEAD OF WANTING SMUT OF IT, THEY WANT A REAL RELATIONSHIP!

JUST LIKE DAVEKAT!

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Because none of those stories continue, they are literally erased from existence, so the catharsis of characters growing, and the idea of them continuing past the story are removed.

But the real issue is that most of the time those arcs aren't fucking finished when they get cut off. We see the ground work of where they're going, but we never actually see those characters reach their goals.

At least Dave and Karkat became bros before the retcon and had a few funny conversations

dude ULTIMATE SELVES lol

Why is Karkat drooling?

Shut the fuck up.
I know where you're going with this, don't.

>ULTIMATE SLEEVES

But Karkat was the most desirable character
Dave wouldn't let go of that canon hot ass

The only one with a canon hot ass are Jane Jade according to various comments made

moms > ass

Not the user you're talking to but
>none of the infinite alternate selves are actually any more or less valid than the others
From a setting standpoint, they are.
Characters from timelines reality doesn't like end up ghosts stuck in a weird afterlife made out of memories, which conspires to keep you static as fuck. Selves from the alpha timeline get to win the game and live peacefully in the new universe. Don't tell me Paradox Space isn't playing favorites.

From a plot standpoint, they also are. The Game Over cast stopped having screentime after the retcon, with the notable exception of Roxy + John (of course), Jasp/(Rose), (Vriska) and (Tavros). These last three weren't particularly focused on either.
We suddenly stopped following a dozen characters who had gone through specific trials and trauma just so we could follow clones of them that had gone through different things. Andrew Hussie as an author shifted the story focus towards the retcon cast. You can't deny this either.

From a philosophical standpoint, we agree, though. No version of a character is inherently "worth more" than another when it comes to what they are as an individual. But who cares about that?

Dave takes responsibility
Especially if it involves hot moms

BTFO waifufags

they didnt get erased they died and passed onto the afterlife and it was supposed to be a tragedy not a stepping stone towards growth. the ending is supposed to have some bittersweet aspects that come from the knowledge that all those deaths still happened. otherwise terezi: remem8er wouldnt be practically immediately before collide.

>Porrim
What?

This chart is made a fucking moron.

And they all dropped him like hot shit when they figured out that he is an insecure weenie.

It's being posted by a moron too. Davekat fans have nothing left so they're just trying to go "b-but chart!"

>This chart is made a fucking moron.
kek

>Porrim
RTFC, she flirted with him in openbound

Whilst the sentiment that character stories continue even if the narrative doesn't focus on them, it's a pointless sentiment given we only see the narrative as a viewer. In the Game Over timeline we see the struggles these characters go through, how they change and how they interact. With the retcon a huge chunk of this is lost to us as the viewer, we don't see the interactions and development over the 3 years journey which is a pretty substantial amount of time, enough to completely alter characters like Karkat, Terezi, Vriska etc. No matter if the other characters continue to live on in dreambubbles, we're focused on those characters in the present narrative as that's all we can interact with.

Those characters we end up with are simply lesser than those characters we'd viewed in the past as we haven't see the full extent of their development, I don't care about post-retcon Karkat where in the past I was invested in seeing what became of Karkat in light of his struggles and goals encountering a huge roadbump in the form of his realization that he'd fucked up massively and a good number of his friends dying. I wanted to see how his leadership altered in the face of it. Instead, post-retcon Karkat just drops that whole part of his character without us seeing what lead to it, that's bullshit of the highest order.

>Trezza turns out to be even more annoying amd more of a mary sue than Vriska
>Treated as being the best meme person ever
>Tries to force memes that are completely unfunny
>Spouts decades-old memes that hare beyond dead, possibly even beyond double dead

>flirted
She acted motherly towards him you blind fucking retard.
Half of those characters are normal conversations or the characters being themselves and whoever made that going "HE'S GETTING MACKED ON".
You're a moron.

Kankri got triggered by it and specifically called her out for flirting with him
again, RTFC

because the whole point of the retcon is to ask yourself whether the retcon characters were really 'worth more' than their pre-retcon counterparts, and terezi: remem8er makes that clear. it seems really fucking unsubtle to me to just decide that andrew didnt give a shit about them and didnt want you to give a shit about them either when terezi makes such a huge deal out of their tragedy.

The artist who made that chart actually said they were making it from memory and hadn't read things in a while. It's funny that people are now taking it at face value.

They should have made this her symbol

Kankri's also an insecure little bitch.
Their conversation went with Porrim getting Karkat out of talking to Kankri, then telling him he's good looking and Terezi is very looking, like a mother.
For someone who's all on about reading the fucking comic it seems like you do, because you're a fucking retard

When has anybody called Jade attractive? Only Karkat made any overt allusions, and even then they were unintentional.

Fucking Davesprite dumped her when she was literally the only pussy for the next several years.

>people
Davekat shippers aren't "people"

i cant wait for the trizza porn

I think the issue stems more from how people regard Terezi. She's viewed as one of the good guys, when in reality she's firmly planted in that grey area that the trolls of Alternia naturally gravitate towards. This is more apparent early on with her interactions with others, given her initial treatment of John as a pawn to do with as she pleased. However, she at least seems to change over time, learning that she does care about these people, not pawns, that she's dealing with. That was what set her apart from Vriska, she seemed to realise that manipulation with no regard for those affected is wrong. That being said, Vriska did seem to be showing signs of realizing this too with her time with John, perhaps she could have changed for the better had she not been killed by Terezi or Jack (had she gone to fight him).

In the end they're both morally grey, and they could be good for each other or they could be terrible for each other. If nothing else, they're linked with each other hence the fixation from people to tie them together romantically.

>"people"
Don't you mean """""""people"""""""?