>2016
>Still defending capitalism
Capitalism only works by paying the laborer less than the value of his wages and pocketing the difference.
Enjoy living in a system where capitalists aquire so much money that social mobility becomes a myth and the monied class rules over everything and then passes the reigns of power to their children.
I love capitalism because my family owns a shit ton of land. Fuck off and die leaf. Go suck Trudeau's dick while you country burns. If you put the fire out, it wins.
The problem is deeper than capitalism, it's in the monetary system itself.
>suck Trudeau's dick
>implying I like Trudeau
>implying I'm a statist
also, stop sliding relevant threads
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stop crying
>implying your level of comfort/midernity would survive if you split society into anarchist communes
How will you acquire geographically-specific resources if the people mining and shipping them decide they don't want to work to get them to you? Are you going to force them to work? Are you going to invade them and take the resources? LOL
Better start digging a silicon mine in your backyard, leaf.
I'm not sliding anything.
The capitalists are never gonna do jack shit about political corruption becasue they are the political corruption.
The entire house is rotten to the foundation. Just look at the email spectacle that unfolded on prime time and nothing happened. They don't even bother to cover it up anymore.
Has there even been a protest over thats evil cunts emails? No there hasn't.
>How will you acquire geographically-specific resources if the people mining and shipping them decide they don't want to work to get them to you?
Then I guess I don't get them. You seem to imply a threat of force if you don't get what you want from other people.
>Are you going to force them to work?
That's slavery, so no. But if the commune requires you to work and you decide not to then you could be exiled. Forcing people to work against their will is immoral.
>Are you going to invade them and take the resources?
No.
The majority of the Marxists wouldn't give a shit anyway. They'd still support the biggest multiculturalist, cosmopolitan cuck they could find. If Bernie won, he would let Muslims and spics flood-in just as much as Shillary.
The amount of "nationalist Marxists" will always be outweighed by the SJW cucks.
Okay, you realize that 90% of rare earth metals come from north China, right?
All it takes, if society split into workers' communes, is for those miners to decide not to mine more than they can take for themselves, and/or for shipping and transport guilds to decide they don't want to bother shipping them to Canada because it's not worth their time - and suddenly you don't have a PC or an i-Phone to watch your cuck porn on.
>Okay, you realize that 90% of rare earth metals come from north China, right?
It's not 90% anymore it's roughly 70%.
>and suddenly you don't have a PC or an i-Phone to watch your cuck porn on.
Time for a paperback then. Don't forget that we have a metric fuckton of older computers to scavage from. We could frankenstein our existing computers for a decade easy.
if they leave Mexico they will send their jobs to asia or somewheres else
jews gonna jew no matter what
Capitalist have no concern for the countries they choose as their temporary host.
so OP, I hear they're shutting down /r/s4p.
Makes you think, ha?
I don't go to reddit.
Imageboard where everyone has a megaphone or bust.
But the business owner takes a risk and binds capital. The laborer could start his own business if he wants.
Only the poor and unsuccessful hate capitalism you faggot leaf.
>I'm going to be the boss one day
:^)
You could recycle the stuff you already have instead of shipping it to Africa so they can burn it and get them back with additional cancer
Eventaully capitalism uses it's money to control government with debt, then the capitalist turn on their own by using their government pawns to increase regulation to keep newcomers out of their club.
This accelerates capitalism into it's final form of monetary heirachy. Social mobility becomes a myth and the wealthy accumilate more and more money while using the state as a source of tax-payer funded armed thugs.
???
Anyone can start a business. What you're describing hasn't happened.
Oh you mean 95% of the world hates capitalism?
>hes unironically an anarcho syndicalist
you do realize this board is 18+
Wow great argument you got there, you really conviced me.
>the only serious anarchist thinkers existed before color photography
really gets the grey matter invigorated
>Bunch of dykes and deranged looking middle aged men.
Seems legit to me, Lad.
>Ideas before color photography are automatically stupid
>Worships Adam Smith
Not an argument
They may not have been teenagers, but they were sure edgy.
marxists.org
>1. The revolutionary is a doomed man. He has no personal interests, no business affairs, no emotions, no attachments, no property, and no name. Everything in him is wholly absorbed in the single thought and the single passion for revolution.
>6. Tyrannical toward himself, he must be tyrannical toward others. All the gentle and enervating sentiments of kinship, love, friendship, gratitude, and even honor, must be suppressed in him and give place to the cold and single-minded passion for revolution. For him, there exists only one pleasure, on consolation, one reward, one satisfaction – the success of the revolution. Night and day he must have but one thought, one aim – merciless destruction. Striving cold-bloodedly and indefatigably toward this end, he must be prepared to destroy himself and to destroy with his own hands everything that stands in the path of the revolution.
>23. By a revolution, the Society does not mean an orderly revolt according to the classic western model – a revolt which always stops short of attacking the rights of property and the traditional social systems of so-called civilization and morality. Until now, such a revolution has always limited itself to the overthrow of one political form in order to replace it by another, thereby attempting to bring about a so-called revolutionary state. The only form of revolution beneficial to the people is one which destroys the entire State to the roots and exterminated all the state traditions, institutions, and classes in Russia.
Sounds like a real stable guy without any issues.
You can't just characterize justifiable anger as "le edgy" mental instability.
That's like saying the magna carta was the result of some edgy nobles.
The person paying the laborer is also charging the laborer for the value of knowledge and infrastructure of how to use that labor.
Don't want to pay for that? Start your own business. You communists never want to create anything, you only want to redistribute and once that's done you're left just twiddling your thumbs.
dirty commies
Whatever you say porky.
>this triggers the Commieautist
But communists believe society must first go through a capitalist stage. That's Marxism 101.
>I'm a communist!
>I hate the concentration of wealth in the hands of the privileged elite capitalists!
>Let's throw a revolution
>Be subservient to the state
>Concentrate all the wealth in the hands of privileged elite party members
>"Distribute" wealth equally among the proletariat
>In reality they lose grain, starve, get raped by red army soldiers, and all the capital is spent on public works and Politicians houses
Commie scum explain yourselves. At least capitalism allows mobility for the classes, if you wanna suck statist cock and bend over for your useless, limpdick politicians so they can make useless legislation by all means do so, but keep your petty, egalitarian bullshit to the womens reading circles and book clubs.
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>Being a statist socialist
>Replacing the tyranny of the Tsar with the tyranny of the central committe
Anarcho-communism or bust.
>"From each according to his ability to each according to his need"
>Nanny-state lite
>No withholding of capital or private property
>Yet no state entity to enforce this
>Paid mercenaries come do your door
>"Comrade, we have been paid by the public workers committee to take your capital and give it to Tyrone, who refuses to work but really needs to eat"
>We have now come full circle to authoritarian communism
Explain yourself, leaf.
Not an argument.
Capitalism is the only prosperus proved system as you can see:
and
Refute it giving me some example of well-applied Anarcho-communism. I'll wait. But looking how violent anarchists are, I don't have any hope.
>The capitalists are never gonna do jack shit about political corruption becasue they are the political corruption.
it's the exact opposite of capitalism. political corruption isn't possible in capitalism, because the government has no control over the market.
Get a life you subhuman leftypol kike. You start 5 threads a day. Autistic kike commie neckbeard
>But looking how violent anarchists are, I don't have any hope.
Capitalism has killed well over 400 million people in its history
GET THIS FRUITBOWL OUT OF HERE
Cringy autistic commie neckbeard loser back to your containment board
>socialism works by devaluing productive workers and overvaluing unproductive workers
>people still defend socialism
Seriously can you all just stop replying to canadian threads
(you)
>Capitalism has killed well over 400 million people in its history
[Citation fucking Needed]
inb4 100 million native americans
And capitalism have saved more people than anyone. Almost no one except communist (Best Koreans) and anarchists (Somalis) starve to death in this century. We can feed an incredible amount of humans thanks to evil capitalism. And no, malnutrition=/=starving
Autistic neckbeard. Go back to your containment board at 8gag. Your shitty memes are cringy and you are a laughing stock. Subhuman kike loving tard
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But isn't violence towards others a staple of bringing about an anarchist state? Like the Paris bombings of 1982-94.
Thats all Nechayev is saying, claiming that the revolutionary must not care for amount of blood he spills to achieve his goals. Or even care for basic human emotions.
All that a revolutionary should care about is the revolution, violent and bloody revolution.
Thats pretty edgy.
>talks about capitalism
>ignores worker rights
>votes for NAFTA, TPP that takes away worker rights
fuck off retard
>citation needed
>let me post this stale /leftypol/ meme with not links on it
Yes, because the Irish investing most of their agriculture in potatoes was capitalism's fault.
It's also Ironic that the Mozambique and Angolan Civil wars are on there. After Portugal withdrew in 1974 Both Angola and Mozambique set about killing dissenters and sending insurgents into Namibia and Rhodesia. Fueled by the Chinese, Soviets, and in some cases the Cubans and North Koreans.
>100 million indigenous americans
>literally 0 citations
Care to explain how capitalism was responsible for the viral deaths of people?
The highest total estimate for the native populations of both continents is 90 million. The vast majority of natives who died, died of viral infection before ever even seeing a white man. Capitalism didn't cause them to have weak immune systems, capitalism didn't spread disease.
But you know what, the socialist nationalization of agricultural production by the Soviet Union was a direct cause of the 1932 famine that killed 5.5 million people. It's a system that has failed, and will always fail, and it attracts failures.
Oh boy oh boy oh boy. What a shitty pic you have.
>Extermination of native americans (1492-1890)
>99% died because of European plagues.
>Altantic slave trade (1500-1870)
>1500 societies
>1500 fucking Spain
>capitalist
ayy lmao
>implying colonialism=capitalism
115 million less
And can do more, but your pic is too long for me.
show me a country where social mobility has become a myth through capitalism
one example.
I'll wait.
>implying thats what i ment
>implying ideas cant change and evolve over time
>implying anarchism and all non fabian socialism arnt stagnated in the 18th century
once again this an 18+ board MODS !
Ironic because even if capitalism tangentally caused those deaths, capitalism arguably sustains billions of people today
might equals right deal with it hippy
Colonialism.
Also, CIA don't real, I guess.
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>/leftypol/ made a picture against the Clintons
>They are forced to vote for Clinton on the next election
I never loved African Americans this much.
And there are no fucking citations for any of this jesus fuck commies are retarded
>Haying the very thing that built every society worth a shot and improved those that aren't
You all need to be sent to Venezuela since you hate capitalism so much
>Colonialism = Capitalism
>CIA
>1932
You're a genuinely dumb person.
wow a straw man comic that proves nothing you sure showed me you commie retard
You can be a right winger and hate capitalism. The fascists, and the Monarchs hated capitalism. Capitalism assumes the everyone can be an entrepreneur. It's egalitarian in doctrine. Atleast fascists and monarchs know that thier are classes of people where one is superior to the other. Being against capitalism made me more anti-egalitarian and anti-equallity
>Capitalism only works by paying the laborer less than the value of his wages and pocketing the difference.
What you're completely glossing over is risk - the laborer will get paid whether the product sells or not, while porky's investment is riding on market trends. He could profit, or he could lose.
The transaction is this - X amount of cash for labor services. Don't like it? There's other guys in line. Bargaining after the fact and asking for more because your employer profited is for niggers. It's not like you'd rush to bail out the company if it was losing money instead.
Fundamentally, anti-capitalists will always be wrong because capitalism is the organic default.
In any collection of people, you will see capitalism growing natively like weeds from the ground. Collectivized states, like USSR or pre-capitalist China can only exist while they successfully participate in capitalism. Combating the natural evolution of capitalism is a resource-intensive, full time job.
If I have a pair of shoes, and I want to sell them to you, that's capitalism. If you prevent me from doing so, or tell me at what price, you are negating my ability to act on my interests and make my own decisions.
If you tell me how I should do it without any consequence, you are just making a suggestion. Fine. Great.
If you impose consequences to NOT doing as you say, you are deliberately coercing me and controlling my behavior with treats and you are a criminal.
Capitalism is just the natural state of resource propagation, collective systems which rely on moral theories of labor value or economic intervention are always criminals just waiting to put a gun to your head.
Also most of the death in his pic is due to colonialism or slavery.
Capitalism wants a free trade with anyone. Slavery and colonialism is a monopoly endorsed by brute force and not the market. Both slavery and colonialism are mediaeval things, nothing to do with modern day capitalism.
Modern day capitalism opposed to slavery and colonialism.
Are there colonies today? No
Slaves today? No. Only in commie countries like China.
Who the fuck pressured the UK to dismember the colonial empire? The fucking capitalist USA
Who opposed to slavery in America? The industrialized North.
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The Zapatistas actually took up arms against the Mexican government when NAFTA was signed.
>Imperialism
>not the highest form of capitalism
And I was referring to after WWII but whatever. Interestingly enough, George Soros funded a bunch of ethnic nationalists and dissidents in the Eastern Bloc, which contributed to the Soviet Union's collapse.
>you can be a right winger and hate capitalism
No you can't, private property is what capitalism is based on, it's not just vague ideas about "greed".
>communism
>calling for world domination aka world revolution
>not highest form of imperialism
top kek
are you litrally retarded?
Riddle me this, then. If your social Darwinist views of society are true, why did 2 bourgeois republic's and a constitutional monarchy (where the inbred simpleton on the throne is largely a figurehead) BTFO conservative monarchies where the sovereign held a great deal of power in WWI?
I think you'd fit in a welfare date capitalist state that relies on oil better.
>organic default
Funny, I don't see wage labor or private property in nature.
Actually you can because you uphold free enterprise instead of capitalism.
The difference is subtle, but it exists. Within capitalism it is perfectly fine for a given corporation to work with the government and other businesses (generally something like banks) to increase the barriers to entry for new competition (think licenses, fees, unfunded mandates like various kinds of insurance, zoning, etc.).
The basic example is generally McDonalds and Buger King hate each other, but nothing can bring them together faster than someone wanting to build a Wendy's down the block.
Capitalism blows ass except for those who hold the majority of the capital. Free enterprise is where it's at.
Not the same at all, learn what words mean, faggot.
It's funny because the typical leftist mouthpiece is a cucked, unemployable klick-klacker.
Once again, learn what words mean.
Free trade is a myth, businesses would rather collude than compete.
>Millennials don't know what the gilded age was
>leftist
I think you mean liberal. And how many useless lolbert newspapers and blogs are there?
What else is there? Only white countries can have Socialism that works.
I know what words mean nigger and you're proving my point.
Yes perfectly free trade is a myth, just like perfectly capitalistic or perfectly communistic or perfectly whatever ideology you care to name cannot happen in real life.
Also,
>millennial
Yeah no.
Fuck off until you can actually make an argument that's not "no you".
Spooner was an anarchocapitalist
>But isn't violence towards others a staple of bringing about an anarchist state?
Nah, that's a result of people not actually buying into the actual philosophy of anarchism and just being pissed at governments and wanting to kill people in government. Almost every flavor of anarchism has pacifism as a core tenet, which is also the same thing as saying that communism isn't about ensuring only a select few have all the money.
>imperialism = capitalism
>I was referring to something without actually contextualizing it because I'm a meme spouting moron
You're dumber than I originally thought.
Are you this fucking stupid? Wage labor is a standardization of trade. It's an agreement to do X for Y hours for Z resources as payment. We use money because it's universal and can be traded for anything.
>private property
What's territory? What's a bear defending his berry bush?
>tfw there will never be communal ownership of the means of production
>tfw Socialism will never prevail
>tfw Capitalism has been an unmitigated success in raising the lot of the many
>tfw you live a comfy upper middle class life with little stress or discomfort
>tfw you get to enjoy seeing the self-avowed socialists, who live off the triumphs of capitalism in some of the most prosperous nations, insist on the validity of the labour theory of value and muh socially necessary labour time knowing that their ideals will never be taken seriously
>tfw the popularity of socialism will be strictly relegated to academia and the internet much in the same way it currently is, and the sphere of influence socialists hold over the public consciousness is largely impotent. All that they can do is make worthless postulations with no real world effect.
HAH, your example is false since there is no money in true_communism. Communism wins again lol
>MUG MIXED ECONOMY
>perfectly communist
Do you even know what socialism and communism mean in their proper contexts?
>>implying I'm a statist
You have to be. Communism doesn't work without a harsh collective 'state' to run the gulags, centrally plan the economy, etc.
That will be the responsibility of the tightly connected Workers' councils.
>That's slavery, so no. But if the commune requires you to work and you decide not to then you could be exiled. Forcing people to work against their will is immoral.
That's exactly like capitalism, lad.
I don't know of any landlord bears who charge other bears to use his berry bush.
And money is commodified.