Owen Jones made me think

Some of the comments to my piece this morning are so depressing that I am not willing to let them stand unchallenged.

I am no fan of Hillary Clinton. I supported Bernie Sanders and have written about his inspirational campaign time and time and time. I regard her, yes, as a pro-war establishment corporate politician, much like those who have dominated US politics for a long time. I desperately wanted Sanders to become President, not just for the United States, but in the interests of the world as a whole.

There are those belittling the victories of Sanders' movement, who only seem happy wallowing in defeat. Sanders and his movement have forced issues on the agenda and dragged the Democratic Platform to the left. If you unable to give credit to the successes of a progressive movement, then what hope do you have of building confidence in political change? You are fuelling only defeatism and despair.

But those who believe I am a sellout for supporting Bernie Sanders' call to vote for Hillary Clinton to defeat Donald Trump. I am almost lost for words. Do you not understand what is at stake here? Is politics just a game of how radical you can look? A far-right racist demagogue is currently ahead in the polls in the most powerful country on earth. Him and his followers are inciting hatred against Muslims, immigrants, women, LGBT people and African-Americans. If he comes to power, it will be one of the greatest disasters to befall the Western world since World War II. You are expecting American Muslims, immigrants, women, LGBT people and African-Americans to pay for your political purity. It is as suicidal as it is self-indulgent, as idiotic as it is contemptible.

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There are those who have responded to me who actually argue a) Hillary Clinton would be worse and b) progressive movements would fare better under Donald Trump. This argument is called "accelerationism". It is also one of the most politically and morally bankrupt arguments I can think of. It was the belief of some on the left about Margaret Thatcher when she came to power - and Donald Trump is *far* more dangerous than her. Her government would end up radicalising the population, so the argument went, and thereby lead to the glorious success of socialism. How did that one pan out? Oh: the left got smashed, trade unions routed, working-class communities were ravaged, and politics shifted dramatically to the right.

A Clinton administration will fail to deal with the monstrous inequalities and injustice which define US society, the inequalities and injustices which partly led to the rise of Trump in the first place. The Bernie Sanders movement has already won concessions, and must put huge pressure on Democratic politicians - and get Sanders supporters elected. But a Trump victory will be a hammer blow to progressive movements and ideas, as well as all the people him and his supporters despise. To want anything other than Trump's total defeat - a man who is near a fascist as any politician on the brink of power in the Western world since the war - is so incomprehensible to me, I lack the words to express my bewilderment.

theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/26/sanders-movement-bernie-hillary-donald-trump

I'm a #hillarysandersbastardbaby now

Sounds like a lot of posters around here these days. Nu-pol is taking over. Sad!

> Him and his followers are inciting hatred against Muslims, immigrants, women, LGBT people and African-Americans. If he comes to power, it will be one of the greatest disasters to befall the Western world since World War II. You are expecting American Muslims, immigrants, women, LGBT people and African-Americans to pay for your political purity. It is as suicidal as it is self-indulgent, as idiotic as it is contemptible.

Do you ever listen to Trump talk in full or just WaPo headlines? Honest question.

I leave the thinking for intellectuals like Owen Jones. I just read headlines from the Guardian and Huff po that confirm what I want to hear and share them with people. If they disagree with the assortment of statements I make, denigrating my opponents as essentially morally bankrupt sociopaths, I know that they are bigots who want all brown people to be killed and all lgbt warriors to be locked up in cages. you aren't racist are you user?

>racist demagogue
stopped reading

Demagogue is someone who wins public favour by playing into peoples emotions, don't you see that Trump supporters have emotions and that Trump makes them feel things? You must be deluded. Politics is about cold, hard facts and Bernie Sanders campaign is a perfect example of that. I can't name one piece of emotion based rhetoric from Sanders Campaign and if you talk to his supporters, they are all emotionally stable people who are impervious to suggestion and confirmation bias.

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>Hillary was highly in favor of invading Iraq, and treats Putin as an enemy
>Trump was against invading Iraq, and treats Putin as a possible ally

Anyone who isn't a retard immediately notes how much better president Trump will be for the entire world than president Clinton.

It's a fringe minority that care what Jones has to say about British politics, why would anyone at all listen to him about America?

There has to be a big conflict to bring order to this shitty world. It's getting worse day by day. A war will come handy.

They're not impervious to wanting free shit though.

> if you talk to his supporters, they are all emotionally stable people who are impervious to suggestion and confirmation bias

>posting this filth on Sup Forums

Everyone has the right to an opinion, but that is just god damn fucking loony.

Confirmed troll, weak bait Brit. Weak bait.

This fucking cuck even writes like a cuck.

HAND OVER THE BLACK MAN'S SEMEN AND NO ONE GETS HURT

Sarcasm isn't trolling you idiots. It's very clear that OP is 'avin a giggle.

Twumps a waswist !!!&&$$!&@

Fuck off shill you liberal faggots are equally to blame for these deaths happening across the western world. Because morons like you would rather keep people's feelings from being hurt than do what must be done to protect the lives of your citizens. When these attacks happen every day I only pray the victims are the scum who held up the refugee welcome signs and no one else.

Only cucks support Jones, he's a globalist shill that support international finance.

He's seen as legitimate amongst lefty fuckwits, m8. I know people in the states who see him as some kind of British institution who champions the left wing and not a hysterical faggot nutjob who people regard with pity at best. Here's Douglas Murray and Milo wrecking his shit if anyone need de-triggered:

youtube.com/watch?v=jvKUTe_WWik

>Her government would end up radicalising the population, so the argument went, and thereby lead to the glorious success of socialism. How did that one pan out? Oh: the left got smashed, trade unions routed, working-class communities were ravaged, and politics shifted dramatically to the right.

Wow it's almost like people don't actually like left wing policies and will only support them in doses small enough to go undetected.

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