>Fellow nerds, we have a problem. Women who dare have opinions about, well, anything are getting harassed, and going to cons can mean running a gauntlet of unwanted comments and harassment. Too often, I see guys like me spouting of the worst MRA and PUA clichés. Heck, those ideas shouldn’t even be getting any traction with anyone who has any idea what exclusion is like, but they do, and I think I know part of the reason why.
>I blame Wolverine. If you want to see some of the worst traits of toxic masculinity expressed in a comic book character, you don’t need to look a lot further than the short, adamantium-boned, dangerous Canadian. I submit that it’s time for film directors and comic book writers rethink the way they write him, and more importantly, for all of us nerds out there to rethink why we like this guy. Ever had that racist or sexist friend that you just can’t hang with anymore? Our pal Logan fits the bill.
Of course you moron. He calls Wolverine a racist and a sexist. nothing to back that up, he just says it like it makes his point for him
Mason Jackson
There's not denying that Wolverine has some shit fans but in regards of Marvel characters that embody toxic masculinity, I can think of far worse...
Zebediah Killgrave for instance... Hell, the Hulks are literal toxic masculinity
Hunter Mitchell
>themarysue guaranteed replies
Levi Murphy
I despise "nerd culture," and those who claim to adhere to it, more and more every day.
Christian Campbell
>mommy i posted it again gimme shekels
Jacob Russell
>it's a whiteknighting nerd episode
Ian Stewart
This again. Logan doesn't fit the bill. Anyone who has read his stories knows he's the opposite of a racist. He spends large portions of his life trying to immigrate and adopt the cultures of others more than his own to get as far from his past as possible.
He's a womanizer but he's also one of the few male heroes who will often team up with girls of any age because he recognizes and respects their ability to prove themselves. Several of them like Kitty, Jubilee, Armor and Laura more or less see him like a father figure.
Also there's the fact there exists a gay Logan in a relationship with Hercules. So no the character is a lot more than what people who don't read his stories assume at a quick glance.
Jace Phillips
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Thomas Sullivan
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Evan Bailey
Not to mention they considered writing him gay back in the 70s/early 80s and some of it shows
Owen Reed
Logan seems more like a critique of "toxic masculinity," all violence ever brought him was pain, even the Hulk with all the power has him ending up alone. The only arguably toxic masculine male still around in modern "comics," is Yujiro Hanma.
Connor Hill
After G4 died there were a few really great interviews about how corporate controlled that network was and how much the people actually working on the shows hated it. Basically once the axe came down the suits stopped paying attention and that last month or so the writers and personalities just did whatever they wanted on screen
Thomas Cook
>he spends large portions of his life trying to immigrate and adopt the cultures of others According to some, that's racist.
Landon Nguyen
Fucking mutie Canadians, appropriating culture of hard-working people.
Ian Bailey
Maybe they should reboot him.
Anyways, who here thinks OP is the one who wrote the article in the first place, just to get themselves clicks?
William Baker
>nerd culture
It's a milennial thing and a marketing thing, it never existed as anything worthwhile
Easton Scott
According to some being gay is discrimination against women.
Adam Brown
Yes look at how toxic Wolverine is
Mason King
He's just racist against Canadians. We must expose how insensitive he is to the deep intricacies of Canadian culture.
Dylan Diaz
>being ashamed of being male >Americans
Caleb Stewart
Wolverine is the alpha male, is what nerds wish they were, that Cyke got cucked after he cucked Jean first.
Joshua Harris
>Cyke got cucked Jean Grey never actually banged Wolverine. He's only had sex with an alternate Earth her. She pretty mcuh throws herself at Wolverine in New X-Men and he tells her no
Nicholas Davis
I smile every time someone sees the inanity of this SJ business. I understand how some feel it has, can and will serve to address certain inequalities that need to be, but they put far too much trust and faith in people who, as history serving as evidence shows, are prone to pursuing conflict for the sheer need of conflict.
It should not surprise them in the least their ally turns around and on them at a moment's notice. They were never there to protect anyone, just attack whoever's nearest and in their line of sight.
John Ramirez
Purple man did nothing wrong Purple man is the only character I'd read a solo about
Isaiah Roberts
>Jean Grey never actually banged Wolverine. No, but she wanted to. She cheated on Cyclops emotionally, if that matters (like if your girlfriend went out and hung out with a guy and did everything she does with you and more except sex).
But they actually broke apart when she started flirting with Phantomex (Fantomex?). He had pheremones that helped it along and so did Cyclops' distance from her.
Ryder Murphy
I wish I was gay. I hate women that much
Luke Barnes
>He's a womanizer but
Dude has kids and is generally somewhat decent with kids. That's pretty damn far from toxic alpaca mascara.
That's a Fleshbomb series. As far as cape comics are concerned, that genre is a 24/7 assault on all the unspoken assumptions capeshit operates on.
Julian Edwards
Wolverine isn't ever portrayed as the kind of person you should be though. He barely has any friends and he ends up getting most of the people he cares about killed.
Noah Watson
Jean is literally worst girl. Well second worst after kitty, fuck kitty, Cyke also cucks Jean with phoenix, Lee Forrester, Maddie pryor, and Emma frost
Gavin James
This, if you want to look at Toxic Masculinity the character you would be looking at The Purple Man, not Wolverine.
Aiden Collins
Being male is toxic now? Oh yeah because this doesn't sound racist at all.
Benjamin Watson
>Dude has kids When he's not killing them.
Justin Hughes
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Alexander Morales
Purple man did nothing wrong, fuck off roastie
Jackson Diaz
I mean I don't like wolverine but not for any reason this nu-male described.
Anthony Lewis
>racist It's clearly sexist you moron.
Lincoln Sanders
>marysue
Opinion discarded and all that jazz
Robert Ross
The SJWs will not rest until every heterosexual male on the planet turn gay. Masculinity will be consider toxic and crime against humanity.
Jordan Hall
>She cheated on Cyclops emotionally She wasn't in love with him. Her marriage was falling apart, the man she's loved her whole life was a different person after all the Apocalypse shit, and he was spending a little too much time with Emma. So she tried to jump in the arms of the guy whose always been at the sidelines, only for him to say he's done with that crap and she should just talk to Scott. Jean's always been selfish and petty, for awhile she was a total bitch about Madelyne Pryor in X-Factor
The best thing about the Phoenix retcon is that it means Jean was never actually a likable character. All the good and compelling stuff was just a cosmic being masquerading as her
Charles Perry
It's literally not when the person in question has white skin and was born with a penis.
Grayson Harris
He was with phoenix when he thought phoenix was Jean and he was only with Lee and Madeline when he thought she was dead. Emma is the only woman he cheated on her with, and that was mainly Emma fucking with his mind.
Leo Roberts
Whatever.
Ryan Smith
>I see guys like me spouting of the worst MRA and PUA clichés.
But isn't the author of this article gay? Why would other men like him spout those things?
Liam Ramirez
>Wolverine >Racist or Sexist
This guy is a fucking schmuck. Like, I just wanna spam his inbox with images of him interacting with Ororo or Mariko.
Jack Clark
You has no idea.
Camden Taylor
>TFW just now realized themarysue has just been a troll site all along
Ohhhhh
Alexander Gray
What an incredibly toxic character
David Rivera
Radioactive masculinity is even worse. Just ask the former residents of Chernobyl.
Jeremiah Jenkins
>getting harassed at cons Literally never happened
Dominic Roberts
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Evan Sanders
Exactly. So many of his storylines involve him trying (and oftentimes failing) to repress, conceal and overcome his violent animalistic tendencies and stop driving the people who love and care about him away with his bad habits, disagreeable personality and poor life choices. If anything, Wolverine is a critique of masculinity.
Brandon Long
are feminists toxic femininity?
Hudson Sullivan
Skimming over the article, he seems to take more issue with Wolverine's proclivity for violence than anything else.
Thing is, that's been written as a flaw as far back as the eighties. One he gets a handle on before Rogue even joins the team.
And no version of Wolverine has been a frigging bigot, sexist or racist. He wouldn't have joined the X-Men if he was. And this all of this is ignoring a pretty important point: You can't blame a fictional character for the actions of their fans. The actions of fans, whatever they might be, are the responsibility of the fans themselves.
Lincoln White
Kind of wish more men in my life were as toxic as this
>you can say no to a transperson Then what's the problem?
I wish I had the screencap where someone said that if you take someone home and they turn out to be trans you're not allowed to tell them "no". It was horrifying.
Asher Miller
I agree with a lot of what he says but I disagree with the means in which he does it.
It reads like passing the buck to a fictional character who isn't really to blame for larger social issues.
Jordan Ramirez
>You can't blame a fictional character for the actions of their fans. You realize these are the same people who blame Trump for anything his supporters do but think it's totally fine and acceptable for Bernie supporters to violently attack people at trump rallies to silence speech, right?
Dominic Green
>He's a womanizer Like in the sense that he's been with a bunch of women, yeah, but honestly that's more or less accidental. He doesn't want to bang though a bushel of broads. He wants to meet a woman that loves him, get married, and have a child, but whenever he tries to initiate that: shit goes tits up for him, her, and sometimes her family.
Jaxon Martinez
>You can't blame a fictional character for the actions of their fans. The actions of fans, whatever they might be, are the responsibility of the fans themselves.
This. fuck people who blame entertainment for their own or other's short comings.
"so and so is sexist because of tv show X"
No, so and so is sexist because they're fucking sexist.
Hudson Young
I know how long it's been, but I'm still calling too soon.
Ian Young
To be fair, if you can get your ass kicked by the average Bernie supporter you probably need to rethink your lifestyle priorities.
Angel Brown
>After G4 died there were a few really great interviews about how corporate controlled that network was and how much the people actually working on the shows hated it.
It was pretty easy to tell just by looking at it.
RIP ZDTV/TechTV, you were too good for this world.
Luke Morgan
ist all the same to me.
Justin Roberts
>guys like me spouting of the worst MRA and PUA clichés If you're seeing 'guys like you' saying those things, maybe you're the issue?
