Who would win in a war between The Irken Empire and Gem Empire

Who would win in a war between The Irken Empire and Gem Empire

Yellow Diamond is taller.

Hot Topic wins.

That's a good question.

The Gems are ten times more competent, but the Irkens are ten times more beligerent and numerous.

I'm going to have to give it to the Irkens since their entire society seems to revolve around finding more elaborate ways to destroy other empires while the gem empire seems pretty content to just self-replicate first and foremost.

Probably the Irken, but mostly because we know jack shit about the gems.

Is Zim involved in the war? I think that would make a big difference.

>Is Zim involved in the war?
No

Irkens win then.

>But I conquered the Gem Empire for us
>You DESTROYED the Gem Empire! And our entire Armada! After you destroyed their planet!
>Yeah I'm just that good

/thread

It's worth noting that Irkens enslave other species until they bleed the culture dry of everything of vaule while gems out and out destroy anything not gem. Irkens are a ot more versatile, but keeping some gems alive might cause issues.

Do the Gems have good snacks?

Irkens because from what we've seen they're the scariest type of enemy. The one that doesn't stop coming, every part of their society is dedicated to a perceived war effort and they've taken over several planets. Hell they have just ONE Invader take over entire fuckin' planets by themselves. Their tech is also shown to be pretty much on the 'blow everything up until nothing is standing' side.

Gems looks pretty primitive in tech compared to them. Sure they can conjure up almost any weapon but all they seem to make are swords, axes, etc. They also don't look to be too much of a war-mongering race and they have alot of problems back home from the looks of it.

The Irkens have pretty much solid unity, unless you count Zim fucking things up when he was on their home planet, they run efficiently and as a single unit.

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If it was Gems from the first war versus Irken Tech, I'd say it'd be a complicated question. Irken Tech is pretty advanced and could give them an edge.
But since modern Gems have plenty of advanced tech of their own it's a simple answer. Gems win. Their weaponry is equally advanced, but while Irken's are scrawny twig people, Gems have an entire warrior caste of Big Buff Cheeto Puffs. Hell in hand-to-hand combat, one Jasper could take out the entire starting line-up of Operation Impending Doom 2.

Humans in IZ would lose because most of them are too stupid to notice the paranormal.

Humans in SU would lose because most notice the paranormal, but simply don't care.

Either way, Earth's screwed without outside interference.

you MOOCHES!

>Gems are ten times more competent
From what I remember (it's been a while) the Almighty Tallest aren't very competent, but some of the Invaders definitely are. Some (probably most?) of the Invaders have succeeded in single-handedly taking over their planet. That's nuts. But in a war they might not have the element of surprise like an Invader usually does.

In a full-scale war it might come down to who has the best weapons. The Irkens have pretty good tech, but the most we've seen from the Gems is the finger laser on the hand ship. We don't know what kind of nuclear-scale weapons they have. Do they have other Clusters? Do they have war ships? We don't know.

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Earth is on the fringes of Irken maps and not in the home galaxy of the Gems. If the two empires were fighting it'd probably be centered closer to where they were centered.

Hopefully they're close together and not on opposite sides of the Earth. I don't want to get stuck in the middle.

>Do they have other Clusters? Do they have war ships? We don't know.
We know they have giant women who don't need to breathe in the vacuum of space with built in gravity boots.
Imagine a thousand Jaspers fused into a single giant Jasper, ready to punch the fuck out of the Tallest's Flag Ship.

Gems have top-tier matter manipulation, FTL, and fucking paradoxless time travel. Anything at that tech level would have crazy weapons technology. Hell, Peridot had those zero-point energy gauntlets and she's not even supposed to see combat.

>Some (probably most?) of the Invaders have succeeded in single-handedly taking over their planet.

Although to be fair, from what we've seen of the planets they've conquered, most other aliens in the universe are pretty weak and stupid.

The Tallest were surprised that humans aren't awesome badasses considering how tall they are.

>punch the fuck out of the Tallest's Flag Ship
The Massive is literally invulnerable.

>primitive tech

what about the whole teleporters and giant finger ship that can shoot giga lasers?

what about how they can combine both magic AND science

I do agree Irkens can win especially If Zim was involved.

Thing about Invader Zim is most of his plans actually can and would work BUT there is always a third party interfering other aliens.Girs stupidity and Dib often ruin his plans but despite that Zim still manages a win every now and then( the muffin throw episode or the Organ Harvest)

Not to mention Zim knows how to make things that can blow up an entier "half of an galaxy"

>paradoxless time travel
example?

Irkens:
>Capable of destroying a planet
>Capable of FTL travel

Gems:
>Capable of destroying a planet (not just the cluster, plenty of other things like the geode)
>Capable of FTL
>Most could probably regenerate after a planetary impact (from their gem)
>Can easily terraform

Space warfare is the ultimate version of "Island hopping". If you can mess with planets (destroying them, etc.) it's literally impossible to be beaten unless you are completely outclassed.

Just FTL impact the planets your enemy has. It's impossible to defend against without a super strong planetary shield, and impossible to see coming (can come from any angle and FTL means you can't see it on scanners).

Gems win. They probably wouldn't even mind blowing up the worlds either, given how their finished worlds look.

The fucking time travel episode.

>If Zim was involved
If Zim is involved, the Irkens automatically lose.

Oh come on user, you know how this works. Whenever two alien species fight we (by which I mean Earth) always end up in the middle.
Kree/Skrull War - Earth
Sinestro Corps War - Earth
Autobot/Decepticon War - Earth
And they come from the same planet, so I don't know why they felt the need to come here.

>both have terriforming tech
Just occured to me.
They turned that whole damn planet into a parking lot, literally. For no daamn good reason.

Steven and the Stevens has him travel back in time multiple times and ends with a giant brawl between the multiple divergent Stevens. The small, handheld time machine apparently holds it all together, and destroying it activates a failsafe that disintegrates anything that isn't from the original timeline.

So what, you think the Irkens can beat a species that literally sucks the life force from other planets to make new soldiers.
Irken's may be vat grown and trained to be soldiers, but Gems are BORN soldiers. No training required.

I'm not them, but I had also completely forgotten about that.

It's funny how casually it's used in the pilot and the episode. I wonder how common that tech is on Homeworld and how often they use it to form bands.

watch backseat drivers from beyond the stars and you will get a pretty good idea how tough the massive is

Kindergartens seem to take a long time. Irkens can use that time for breeding and training.

would they?

they could just put zim on the homeworld planet and have him wreck it with his stupid conveluted stupid plans.

Zims pretty capable when he actually tries though

He escaped from the fast food planet
Beat that agility course the tallest sent him to Hobo-13 or something
Defeated the Hallo-weenies
Beat Tak who was far more competent than him


rather or not Zims stupid plans are successful is flat luck most of the time

Most likely rare and heavily restricted in use. The only one on Earth was in a temple that had a failsafe causing it's inaccessibility for 1000 years.

Also it seems like Gems usually set up Kindergartens on planets that seem to be uninhabited. They came to an area of Earth from what we're assuming didn't have alot of people around back then. The Gems seem to be semi-stealth invaders type.

The Irkens would just show up in your atmosphere then commence bombing the fuck out of everything.

Zim would have a hard time blending in. Gem-tech seems to only respond to other gems and him not being able to use anything would be a huge red-flag.

good thing he has access to DNA splicing technology that can literally turn people into lunch meat.

I wonder how all those would fare when thrown into the mix as well.

>Gems are BORN soldiers
Irken too.

>you think the Irkens can beat a species that literally sucks the life force from other planets to make new soldiers.
That is nothing for The Irken Empire. Remember, the only enemy of their empire is a race of REALITY WARPERS

Even when Zim tries, he's still a self-sabotaging idiot.
The Irkens would probably have the whole thing under control, and he'd come in and destroy the fleet or something.

>Gems
>DNA

Good one. They are hard light constructs capable of imitating regular matter.

But gems aren't made of meat, they're made of rocks and light.

I liked the thread with 40k better.

Except when Rose shapeshifted a biologically compatible reproductive system

>But gems aren't made of meat
Not yet they're not.

They are the top dogs in a reality where the average individual (alien, human, or otherwise) seems to be barely capable of doing more than eating, sleeping, or complaining about things.

then how the hell did rose have a child?

how come Gems can bruise but dont crack?

what about the gem creatures that only have 1 gem part in the middle but are mostly flesh (the invisble gem beast) or the mutated hand monsters back in the Kindegarden

Yeah. Shapeshifted being the operative word there.
Son, you ever try to polymorph a shapeshifter. It doesn't take.

>Capable of imitating regular matter

Yeah, they can make physical things.

At best Zim could sort of look like them. However, Zim still wouldn't be able to interface with most of their tech.

A dead give away, or at least an excuse for some gems to helpfully throw him into a "reprocessing" (or something) chamber if they noticed he was defective.

>That is nothing for The Irken Empire. Remember, the only enemy of their empire is a race of REALITY WARPERS
Wasn't that just a dream Zim used to fuck with Dib?

>yfw rose didn't give birth to steven at all but became re-formed into steven as a more efficient form e.g. the ep where it's shown how gems refine their respective forms after being damaged.

Just like the gems

agreed

The Meekrob are real and canon, user.

We haven't seen the other races the Gems have come up against. Only dumb humans.

They generate hard light flesh. They can bruise because that flesh was damaged. They can feel pain because they have something akin to senses. Rose shape shifted a functional uterus and ovum (tailor made for a human-gem hybrid... because other than deliberate engineering try getting that to work randomly)

They can make matter easily. It's just made up of light-tech.

Destroyed constructs simply "poof" because they were hard light

The amount of, "My dad could beat up your dad" in this thread is dumb.
Can't you idiots just entertain the notion for a second and be objective?

Conversely, if the gems came to Zim, he'd probably end up destroying them without much effort. He's a lot more competent on the defensive.

>Zim shrinks down to a microscopic size
>pilots a ship and plants inteslf inside of some gems brain
>pilots them just like how Plankton did spongebob


ands that only if Zim needed to be stealthy or something.

Otherwise he could just make a blackhole machine or Literally hijack the entire planet and throw it into a sun

Do you even Homeworld Gems?

The humans aren't that dumb.

They are just complacent around gem stuff to a certain extent because humanity has put up with the remnants of the gem invasion for thousands of years.

It's like how humans react when we see an animal. A dangerous one might scare us, but if we see a bird in the park? Nah, no worries mate.

Enoby wins.

>Gems don't have brains (they have gems which serve as the core of their being)
>Gems can alter their own gravity better suit conditions in space (so black holes are less effective)

The one time Zim "Hijacked" a planet and threw it somewhere, he was using tech built by another race who specifically wanted their planet to be something they could drive.

Gems have tons of planets anyway, and are an engineered space race. Planets are just resource hubs, they hollow them out and make them into platforms.

>Halfway through
Okay survived a trip through a star. Impressive.
But I still maintain that Irken Warriors are weak.
I mean the whole premise of their strategy is stealth invasion. Striking before the enemy knows what's happening. In all out warfare, they wouldn't stand a chance. And seeing as Homeworld Gems destroys all organic life the moment they detect it, they wouldn't even get the benefit of the doubt.
Normal Species Discovering Irkens - Well they're not hurting us, lets just see how this plays out.
Gems Discovering Irkens - Organic Lifeforms detected. Charging lasers. Prepare to hollow out the planet for resources.

>The humans aren't that dumb.
Where are their scientists? Where is their super science? Where are their anti-gem weapons? SU humans are pathetic

Those fusion experiments are actually just regular gems, but shattered and stuck together.

it doesn't matter

I actually wonder whos smarter between Zim and Membrane.

Like who would win in a science fair.

>their only enemys are reality warpers
>weaks

We've seen doctors and such, and human tech is at the current level (so, they are at our level of intelligence).

Zimverse humans had a handful of reasonably intelligent humans and a socially inept super genius so smart even Zim wanted some of his tech at times. Zimverse humans are on literally (and I mean that literally) mentally retarded, with less than a dozen exceptions.

Didn't Zimverse humans barely cobble together a Mars rover, but then refuse to look at the (broadcasting) streams because "there wasn't funding for it"?

Zim is probably smarter but not because of his own ingenuity, Irkens are just more advanced. Membrane is an exceptional human.

I'm talking about the physical might of their soldiers. They are all tiny twig boys.

>Zim
>smarter than Membrane

Holy fuck
This is actually a valid reason

Didn't Zim make a time-travel gate that he used to weaponize Paradoxes?

Whatever. Irkens have giant robots, Gems don't, by law of Fiction, The Faction with Giant Robots will always succeed.

The Irken's do instinctively follow the tallest beings.

>Meekrob
>Beings of pure energy
You mean kinda like Gems?

I wouldn't want to fuck my planet up either.

>Giant Robots will always win
>Giant Robot Hand Ship
And that was just Peridot's ship.
What do you think Yellow Diamond's ship looks like?

Framed Pseudo-Bayesian Priority?

Top kek

>But I still maintain that Irken Warriors are weak.
The Irken's PAKs have some pretty impressive hardware built in. Incredibly sharp spider-legs, high-powered laser weapons, rocket boosters, and a lot of other gadgets. While the invaders are infiltration specialists, they're no slouches in personal combat.

It's also good to keep in mind their versatility. While Gems are grown into extremely specialized castes, the average Irken invader has access to all the scientific knowledge of their civilization and a wide array of gadgets and equipment. That could give them quite an edge.

>stitching two jpg together
>make it a png
That is nice artifacting and all and I can see why you would want to preserve it in high fidelity, but maybe it's not worth doubling the file size.

Their SIR units are also a great resource.

Its actually every 100 years on the inaccessibility thing.
Also if the hourglass IS gem tech, its 5000+ year old gem tech. Kinda scary.

was she a gem?

Except humans in the SU universe actually joined the Rebellion against Homeworld.

Think about it for a second.

>resaving lossy to get more lossy
>not being able to handle half a MB

>Gems are BORN soliders

>peridot

Producing a live organism =/= actually possessing genes, especially if holy magic is involved.

You do know that there was an entire episode devoted to Peridot and Pearl building their own mechs to fight each other just to see who can be the lead designer on the drill project?

I am not even kidding, they built mechs to see who was more intelligent in headlining the project. Gems are bullshit when it comes down to it.

Get a bunch of these to take form and attack that giant ball with an asshole, and that's GG.

And they built them in a barn with a box of scraps. In a few seconds.

Are you fucking serious?

Of course the Gems win. Gems are made of LIGHT and don't need to eat, while Irkens are made of flesh and need resources.

In a war of attrition - which, lets face it, it is what's going to happen -, the flesh always fails.

Yes but have you seen Peridot's Limb Enhancers. Similar array of useful gadgets. And while Irkens may have many skills, they are jacks of all trades, where as gem are specifically built for different tasks.

She's a born technician.

Isn't the Massive a planet-sized monstrosity that can dish and survive insane damage?
Also, those fucks had orbital bombardment.