Former Sanders supporter here...

Former Sanders supporter here. I'm begrudgingly voting for Trump over Hillary but this decision is like deciding wether you'd like to freeze to death or burn to death. Can someone quickly explain exactly why Trump is a good candidate?

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Study the issues and listen to his speeches retard. Quit being an entitled millennial and do some fucking work for once.

Welcome aboard freindo

Trump is the only candidate that has beaten the establishment.

Here, listen to the man yourself instead of letting the News and celebrity's do your thinking for you.
youtube.com/watch?v=OCabT_O0YSM

You racist punk. You're no liberal. Eat a bag of dicks you faggot

So you can't.

Thanks for conceding. At least he's better than Hillary.

>Anti-TPP
>Dank memes
>???

Against TPP.
Against regime change.

That's basically all you'll like, you commie faggot.

It's more like would rather have AIDS or Cancer?

This.
No fucking wonder that filthy socialist jew got you all wrapped around his finger. The only way to make a millenial to do anything today is to offer them free stuff.

Do you own fucking research you lazy piece of shit.
If you managed to get out of the Bernout with atleast half a brain even your moronic mind should be able to see why he is the best candidate

Wants America to quit being the World police which will be a nice change.

He's against mass immigration
He's against shitty trade deals

NO MUSLIMS ALLOWED
NO WW3 WITH RUSSIA

Because he is Hitler you fool!

Trump is...
>Anti-TPP
>Against Middle Eastern intervention
>Against the big banks
>Moderate, and willing to compromise with liberals/progressives on some issues (e.g. drug legalization and healthcare)
>Pro-LGBT rights
I'd say that the biggest thing that differentiates him from Clinton this election cycle was his opposition to the Iraq War

Hahaha dude..you were just spoonfed information the whole primaries, got fooled as shit and now you expect someone to spoon feed you what "you need to hear?"

Look in to it for yourself friend - it's worth it.

Also he's willing to allow Russia uncontested control of East Ukraine, and China uncontested control of the South China Sea, thus averting WWIII

He opposes TPP and wants to reinstall Glass-Steagle

What's keeping you from doing your own research?

Trump has lots to offer the Bernie supporter, particularly vs. Clinton.

Check this out:

counterpunch.org/2016/07/25/as-the-election-turns-trump-the-anti-neocon-hillary-the-new-darling-of-the-neocons/

make sure you kill yourself after voting

Commie faggots like you are so intellectualy lazy.

Listen to his speeches at least.

The most important thing is that the president be anti-establishment. Hillary is 4-8 more years of the same. At least Trump can usher in some kind of change

>Can someone quickly explain exactly why Trump is a good candidate


He's petty, vindictive and fragile. It was embarrassing to see how quickly he dissolved when some pointed out his tiny hands. He can't tell the truth about much, remember his "John Miller" stunt?

He's a total choad.

>Wants America to quit being the World police
For free, ZEE-land...quit doing it for free

The best reason to vote for Trump is to destroy political correctness. Political correctness is destroying the Western world, and it has to die. Trump wants to kill it, and he is showing us that he knows how. Also, Trump is high energy. Let's give him a chance.

I tried after the Presidential Election in Austria, but then I remembered that the US is fucked even more, if Trump loses.

Will probably die as soon Hillary becomes POTUS.

>Against Middle Eastern intervention
He's sucking up to Middle East goat-fucker religions

>Against the big banks
Just the opposite. He says he's going to eliminate the CFPB which protects consumers from predatory Wall Street firms.

>Moderate, and willing to compromise with liberals/progressives on some issues (e.g. drug legalization and healthcare)
He's literally been a limousine liberal all his life. Only in the past couple years he's been a Republican pretending to be conservative.

>I'd say that the biggest thing that differentiates him from Clinton this election cycle was his opposition to the Iraq War
He supported the Iraq War
buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/trump-on-there-being-zero-proof-he-opposed-iraq-before-the-w?utm_term=.qowBzO0VV#.irX7Lwjgg

>buzzfeed.org

You're asking us to quickly explain something that can't be quickly explained. There's so much liberal propaganda to debunk and the fact that you're asking shows you've probably bought most of it.

Start lurking the Clinton threads and you'll be redpilled in due time.

>He's literally been a limousine liberal all his life. Only in the past couple years he's been a Republican pretending to be conservative.
It has been said that views considered liberal at the time become conservative twenty years later. Obama just cut it down to two.

>Also he's willing to allow Russia uncontested control of East Ukraine, and China uncontested control of the South China Sea, thus averting WWIII

Trumop is the new leader of the surrender monkeys? Ukraine is our ally. Just ask Russia - they call Ukraine our 51st state.

It should alarm you that Putin wants Trump to president because he wants America's leader to be soft-headed and easily fooled.

You dumbasses whining about Pravda West are playing into the Kreml's hands

Yeah I used to be a #BernVictim too

Now I'm a #CruzMissile

Hillery is the Epitome of corruption of the establishment. do you need any other reason?

I wish Rand Paul was still running.

Or even better, Ron Paul.

>mfw everyone was laughing and joking when the republican party sabotaged Ron Paul's campaign
>Now we can laugh at Bernie's campaign

why not vote for the Johnson, he is the anti-establishment and has a chance to win. Hillary would be bad for America and Trump could go either way so why not put your vote were it will make a difference to the system as a whole instead shit you agree a little bit with

he's got an antigun VP doe.

Other than what you already know, no.

I'm assuming that the reason you prefer Trump over Hillary is that you're aware of the fact that she's essentially a paid employee of a number of corporations and foreign interests, as well as a dishonest and dangerously incompetent woman.

Trump isn't, and Bernie isn't, and that's why you prefer Trump now that Bernie is no longer an option. But other than that, there is pretty much nothing that Trump and Bernie agreed on. If you supported Bernie then there's nothing else that can be said about Trump that you will consider positive.

You're misguided, but at least you realize that electing Hillary is tantamount to selling the country to the highest bidder.

>He will preserve the infrastructure and society that has given you everything
>He is on the level with Putin, meaning there will be an unending peace with his election
>His youngest son is being groomed to be a literal Emperor of Mankind, with what is approaching a Godlike intellect and genetic modification that will leave him physically towering over all threats.

>He is up front about all the skeletons in his closet and so far all they can say is "He doesn't like freeloaders"

Finally
>Watch rape drop like a rock and white birth rates take off like a goddamn rocket during his first term

There are a lot of reasons, but one you might like is that Trump, early on when the RNC was working to get HIM out, he said he wanted to do something about the rigged system if he were to be elected President. You don't hear the good stuff he says because MSM likes to tell you what to believe and what to say. Sadly, too many people fail to use their own minds and blindly listen to and parrot media pundit in order to appear someone learned in politics (or in anything).

Pros: Anti-establishment, anti-TPP, probably not an NWO shill, has at various times claimed he will raise minimum wage to $12.

Cons: Racist/sexist, empowers other racists/sexists, spoiled, cares more about personal profit than the common American, inexperienced politician, plans to fill cabinet with other inexperienced politicians, big spending plans (wall, minimum wage increase) coupled with massive tax breaks, the opposite of a diplomatic attitude, terrible international reputation except apparently Putin and Best Korea like him, and he pretends that climate change isn't real.

>Former Sanders supporter here.
I don't believe you.

Trump LITERALLY has no negatives.

Bernie was a snake oil salesman with no intention to fulfill anything he said and cashed out.

Hillary isn't even an option.

>this decision is like deciding wether you'd like to freeze to death or burn to death
You can always claim that you'd rather not die (voting Green or Libertarian) and then let fate decide which death you inevitably get.

My point being that OP is a liar who was a Trump supporter from the start. It's really easy to spot

freezing to death is clearly superior, after a while you don't even feel anything and just want to go to sleep. It's a peaceful death that you're only afraid of when it isn't happening.

I agree, political correctness needs to end and it's worth the potential to have a few years of a potentially bad president to have a chance to save the west from it's steady decline.

Just look what its already done to my country, Germany and the UK.

Me too but im voting out of pure spite, fuck that entitled cunt. Its really been morexabout stopping her than anything else.

>believed a commie jew
lol dipshit

>he doesnt want to burn to death

bernie could have sold out any time in the last 40 years and didn't. trump has spent the last 40 years selling steaks and conning people.

if you want more of the same old shitty government, vote hillary.

if you want a lose cannon that will wreck the establishment and sell policy choices to the highest bidder (read: russia) vote trump.

Hey guise I might be a Swedecuck but I have been convinced to boat 4 Trump this year.


>PLEASE GIVE ME (YOU)'S

You are retarded if you think trump better represents your values.

Just know that manual labor jobs aren't coming back to America. Best course of action as a country is to invest in education like Bernie proposed. Hilary supports it. Just use your brain idiot.

As i said its been more about stopping shillary than anything for me. Shes utter shite and is quite possibly the worst democrat americas ever had which is saying something

Alright, I'll bite, as a man who utterly despises Hillary, likes Bernie, Gary Johnson, and Jill Stein, and is meh towards Trump.
1) He will end tensions with Russia, and open up trade between said nations.
2) He will stop the business of destabilizing third world countries in order to have migrants move en-masse to Europe and America.
3) He is FOR Universal Healthcare
4) He is pro-LGBT
5) He will do whatever it takes to protect our allies in Europe, and force Europe to grow some balls.
6) He is ANTI-GLOBALIST (DING DING DING). This is the main reason I am willing to accept his stupidity. Anyone that is willing to fight against a global government is doing the right thing.
7) He will do whatever it takes to fix immigration. I live in a neighborhood which was attacked by MS-17 a few years back. These people, from Central America most likely, butchered a school bus full of children. We need to do whatever it takes to make sure our children are safe. This means more when you have kids.
8) I am willing to accept that he may have some negotiation acumen. So, I think he may know the right people that can make the right deals to encourage middle-class job growth.
9) He is rich, and doesn't have a foundation, which african warlords can donate to to ensure said warlords can pilfer 90% of charity going to their country. THIS IS WHY AFRICA IS THE WAY IT IS, AND THE CLINTONS ARE MAKING BILLIONS FROM AFRICAN EXPLOITATION. Trump, on the other hand, has a fucking conscience at least. He doesn't have blood on his hands like Hillary does...

Isn't Jill Stein the most logical protest vote for mad Sanders supporters?

>Sanders
Anti-establishment.

>Trump
Anti-establishment.

>Hillary
Bought and paid for.

>$0.02 has been deposited into your account from the Hillary Clinton for president PAC

Stein is a symbolic vote, if you want to stab shillary in the spine and twist then vote for trump

Another bernout here. Here's 5 reasons I'm gonna hold my nose and give my first vote to Trump:

1) He genuinely cares about America - Hillary cares about the furtherance of her own power

2) He's 100% right on trade and anti-TPP.

3) He recognizes the system is rigged.

4) Like Bernie, he for a full audit of the Federal Reserve, the most corrupt organization in history.

5) He has a badass hat.

I'll bite

> Seems to actually care about corruption, nominated a VP who was firmly anti-bank bailouts if a little bit lackluster...
> Rallies against the Iraq/Libya/Afghanistan wars, proposes working in conjunction with Assad instead of against them
> Won't fuck America in trade deals like the TPP
> All bullshit aside doesn't actually have any specific proposals which are written in a way that go after any specific race (islam is not a race)
> Endorses things like transgender bathrooms in govt buildings, openly appeals to LGBT community during nomination speech

Im sorry but buzzfeed isnt a source

sanders was like the trump equivalent to the democrat party.

trump and sanders are basically both grassroots independents, unsupported and disliked by the party they are running under. GOP hates trump, Democrate party hates sanders.

if you cant have sanders, you should vote for trump because its a big middle finger to entitled establishment politicians. as a conservative, i would rather have sanders as president than the criminal clinton any day

with whites you win

An observation people need to make in this fiasco is just how tightly aligned the DNC are with the media in the USA. It's the same media who've twisted and distorted facts about Bernie Sanders who've twisted and distorted facts about Donald Trump. The only vote that matters when your establishment is so corrupt is the anti-establishment vote because it's the only vote that can lead begin to reform the system and allow for better options in future.

>as a conservative, i would rather have sanders as president than the criminal clinton any day
I'm curious, if it was Sanders vs Trump in November who would you vote for?

First point is bait. Second point is bullshit, you can be against bailing out banks and them having govt influence while also being against financial regulations, third point is mostly buzz words, fourth point is one statement soon after 9/11 which precedes about 15 years of him being anti-iraq war.

Shill.

Great answer for the most part

All that shit about fight for 15 and free college is just table scraps...honestly Hillary will probably give it to you because of how fucking insignificant it is in the big picture. You have to kill global trade if you want a cohesive society. None of this social justice bullshit is going to mean anything when the bottom 30% of people in this country hate their lives and are essentially told they're there to be policed -- Hillary's idea of diversity is a black Yale graduate, a hispanic Goldman Sachs analyst, and a transgendered Rhodes scholar.

Trump and Sanders are both anti-TPP, anti-WTO, anti-NAFTA, and anti-EU. Yes, Sanders has voted against these and written an essay on the positive effect of Brexit. The Clintons were involved in the passage of all the trade agreements Bernie is against -- she is a known commodity, how is it not ridiculous for Bernie to capitulate like this?

Trump will be the most watched and criticized president of all time. He will be 100% accountable for any impulsive decisions he would make. The guy has been in business 50 years, never had a drink in his life, nobody has ever said much negative about him before...you don't suddenly become a crazy fascist at 70. I'm sorry but Bernie really dropped the ball on this one, because Trump is the big orange bully he needs to put a spine into this operation

Trump's a cunt.
Ride the Johnson.

>she's essentially a paid employee of a number of corporations and foreign interests, as well as a dishonest and dangerously incompetent woman.


That might be the false narrative being pumped out by the RNC propaganda wing to fool the feeble-minded, but all the lies have been fact-checked and debunked.

Since when is peace with russia bad?????

>Can someone quickly explain exactly why Trump is a good candidate?
Less likely to invade Syria
Less likely to push gun bans
His election can give a sense of political mandate to those disgusted at SJWism

The fact that her top campaign donors against Barrack Obama were (with the exception of one group dedicated to supporting woman politicians) exclusively banks is not a lie.

>straw-maning this hard

trump obviously, i said i was conservative. but if trump loses, i would rather bernie be president than fucking scumbag hillary no question. at least bernie has a shred of honesty and doesnt just lie through his teeth every other sentence like hillary

johnsons weak. ride the ron paul

>trump obviously, i said i was conservative.
And alot of Conservatives are part of the NeverTrump movement, which is why I asked.

Very insightful post.

If you don't buy into empty rhetoric then his policies sure as hell won't win you over. If you are actually voting based on policies then I'm afraid your best option is Hillary.

He's going to put an end to disastrous trade policies that have cost hundreds of thousands of American jobs. He's going to round up illegal immigrants, who take American jobs and depress wages, and deport their asses. He's going to put an end to the PC nonsense that have taken hold in eight years under Obama. He's going to wipe ISIS off the face of the planet. And the WALL! The MOTHERFUCKING WALL! Need I say more?

He only accepted ~40k from wallstreet. Even Bernie accepted more (around 100k I believe) Trump is the only only candidate who is against the establishment. Not only that, but unlike Hillary, Trump's campaign is about putting America and it's citizens first instead of other countries. And the very fact that the establishment and it's paid media wants to take down Trump should show how terrible he would be for the establishment.

Muslim ban

>If you are actually voting based on policies then I'm afraid your best option is Hillary.
*cough cough* Jill Stein *cough cough*

>exclusively banks is not a lie.
paid employee is a lie.

Trump is the guy who admits to being the billionaire briber of Republican candidates.

i see, sorry i misunderstood your question earlier. trump is not my ideal candidate by far, but i cant remember ever having a likeable option since i came of voting age. i voted for ron paul and rand paul since day 1 of my voting career but they never make it past the primaries

this is what a lot of brainwashed liberals are surprised to learn once i show them the facts. trump is actually not endorsed or liked by wallstreet at all. hillary is beholden to them yet her party shouts "down with the 1%" its a huge joke

The "John miller stunt" was just a troll for more free publicity, you ignoramus.

:^)

Short version - Trump and Sanders are virtually identical on most of the really important trade and economic issues.

They both oppose NAFTA and TPP, they've both expressed support for auditing the Federal Reserve, both agree that there's a serious gap between the growth of wages and consumer costs, but whereas Sander's proposal is to raise the minimum wage, Trump's is to enact legislation that would bring back jobs and drive down costs.

They do differ on several key domestic and foreign policy issues, but for the most part are both non-interventionalist. Trump thinks we should stop meddling in the Middle East, but still believes in being prepared to respond when our interests are threatened.

Trump is standing by his support of a suspension on immigration to the United States, but has toned down from "banning Muslims" to a more realistic, "suspending immigration from countries compromised by terrorism until proper vetting processes can be established". Such a policy is controversial but not unfounded, as Obama himself suspended all immigration from Iraq for about a year when intelligence reports suggested insurgents may have been trying to gain entry to the US.


Some of Trump's conservative policies might leave a bad taste in your mouth, but he's closer to Sanders on trade, jobs, and economic policy than Clinton ever will be.

>Since when is peace with russia bad

Russia wants nothing more than for America to have a weak leader. Trump is very emotionally fragile - just look at his Twitter vengeance. Look at his name-calling and petty attacks. He's a freaking spoiled little man-child.

Because he is literally hitler*.
(*hitler was literally a socialist)

> Russia wants nothing more than for America to have a weak leader.
Yeah, and then we`ll steal all your burgers.

>weak leader
>trump literally reversing and doing everything the opposite obama (the weakest leader america has seen) did the last 8 years

wut

If you support Bernies policies then you have to vote for Hillary unless Trump really fucks up his election late game. Else you are in essence voting for Trump.

It's a sucky system but we still have to play it.

That aside, how do we fix the system such that votes for third partis aren't votes for the last person you want in office? If a nation votes 30% for candidate A and 30% for similar candidate B, then candidate D wins with 40% despite 60% of the nation just got robbed of their policy line. I don't see any way of fixing this.

> Just ask Russia - they call Ukraine our 51st state.
I call Russian-inhabited territories of Ukraine Russian lands (and population is 60% Russian), that have nothing to do with soviet project of making Ukraine on Russian bones trought korenization.

Although joining these territories to Russia is not the right decision. We need national state for Russians. There is currently none.

>He's going to put an end to disastrous trade policies that have cost hundreds of thousands of American jobs.
No, all the economists say he's going to cost the US millions of jobs by giving China incentives to buy from Europe and Australia instead of the US.


He's going to round up illegal immigrants, who take American jobs and depress wages, and deport their asses.
You can try to blame the immigrants, but it's the American corporations offering those immigrants your jobs for cheap wages


>He's going to put an end to the PC nonsense that have taken hold in eight years under Obama.
So the bigots and racists will finally be free to tell jokes at the bar? Yeah, that's the most important thing America needs fight now /sarc


>He's going to wipe ISIS off the face of the planet.
No he isn't. He's just saying that so the people with low IQs will vote for him.
>And the WALL! The MOTHERFUCKING WALL! Need I say more?
It would be good if you could tell how people won't dig underneath it or fly over it. You can tell us how rogue border patrol agents won't take payoffs from smugglers. You can tell how that wall won't be the biggest socialistic boondoggle in the history of the US.

what brat. your national state for russians is russia

> how do we fix the system
You need Christian cult, like some sort of Mormons/Scientologists with bunker n sheet. And take over the municipalities to oppose inheritance-taxation, indebting practices like edukiketion loans and gun control.

does anyone else want to wipe out chechnya then make love to her on top of a russian flag? I can't be the only one.