Hello. My name is Helmut Zemo. I have a simple plan: I'm going to hire Crossbones to pretend to steal a bioagent so Captain America will try to stop him but fail to prevent him from using a suicide belt, thus necessitating Scarlet Witch to trap the explosion in an energy bubble but misjudge its potency, thereby accidentally destroying a building. This will of course cause the UN (which in this universe has actual political power) to meet to discuss limiting the authority of superheroes, since they've only saved all of humanity twice at the cost of slightly more civilians than people who die worldwide of cigarette smoking per hour, thus allowing me to bomb the UN and kill the King of Wakanda, who was only there because the destroyed building had a few Wakandans in it. I know that even though the Wakandans are an insular people with super advanced technology that they would trust the UN security's competence with the life of their king. I will then frame Bucky for this so that the UN will track him down and attempt to kill him because I know Captain America will stop them and attempt to help him escape. This is my plan because I know Black Panther, who is only involved because the King of Wakanda died because of the Wakandan civilians in the destroyed building I couldn't possibly expect to be there, will accidentally get them all arrested. Then I'll infiltrate the UN even though they know my face as a HYDRA guy and set Bucky off, thus instigating a 'civil war' between the superheroes that will result in zero deaths. I also expected Spiderman, Scarlet Witch, and Ant-Man to join in the fray even though none of them have any motive for doing so, and for the fight to be inconclusive.
Hello. My name is Helmut Zemo...
Then I'll attract Captain America and Bucky to a HYDRA lair in Siberia where I know exists a VHS tape of Bucky killing Stark's parents, because HYDRA tapes all of its assassinations, even though I didn't know where this base is at the beginning of the movie, thus displaying I know the contents of a base I don't know the location of. I will show the tape to Iron Man, who I know will show up because I know he'll learn about how I killed the real psychologist sent to talk to Bucky in the UN building even though you'd think the UN would investigate that further the moment they realized I set him off, and because I know he'll persuade Falcon to tell him where Captain America went even though Falcon has no reason to trust him. Even though Iron Man knows Bucky was mind controlled by Nazi scientists and that I, the villain, am right in front of him, I know this will set him off into a murderous rampage. I will also not rig the facility with explosives or poison gas or anything and trust the heroes can kill each other, even though I should know that Captain America would never kill Iron Man despite his nonsensical rampage.
It's almost too easy.
He didn't hire Crossbones.
This is an excellent plan.
>the villain is directly responsible for literally everything that happens in the story
why are you Sup Forums faggots so autistic?
>I'm going to hire Crossbones to pretend to steal a bioagent
You fucked up already. That was completely unrelated
You're a CUTE
I couldn't take Zemo seriously, because he looked too much like MC Vagina guy.
Probably the biggest flaw with the movie Zemo was great and I'm open to the idea of a puppetmaster making them fight, but fuck his plan depended on way too many coincidences to work. How would he know Bucky, Cap and Iron Man would go to the outpost alone? Why did he tell them that his plan was to make them fight each other right before he wanted them to fight, more importantly why DID they fight after he told them that?
them showing up at the outpost wasnt ultimate necessary
but it was a nice bonus
you think tony is gonna listen to reason after seeing a tape like that?
This. Also no costume. Also the whole parent vid was Martha tier.
I've heard hearsay that Zemo would've just emailed Tony the recording whenever he wanted to.
He didn't hire Crossbones, you doofus.
His plan was just:
>Find out where the tape of Bucky killing the Starks is
>Show it to Tony
>Probably the biggest flaw with the movie Zemo was great and I'm open to the idea of a puppetmaster making them fight, but fuck his plan depended on way too many coincidences to work. How would he know Bucky, Cap and Iron Man would go to the outpost alone?
You are assuming he wouldn't have preferred if Steve, Bucky or Tony had died at some point way before this. The whole point is that Zemo made sure that he can't actually lose by planning for every possible path. If the Germans killed Bucky early on it would be far easier for him to twist an enraged Steve Rogers away from Tony. And if at any point either Steve or Tony died then the Avengers are as good as disbanded anyway. He ended up winning, but it was a much minor victory than otherwise. There was far worse paths the story could have took, had Steve and Tony not held back this long.
>I've heard hearsay that Zemo would've just emailed Tony the recording whenever he wanted to.
Not heresy. It is in the writer's podcast. Listen to the whole thing, it is enlightening.
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Why is it okay for comics Zemo to be a keikaku master that plans for situations at every turn but not movie Zemo?
Fuck his original plan didn't even involve all that. It was just "interrogate Hydra guy, find location of base, get vid, rest plays itself out'
That was retarded and you should be embarrassed you took the time to write all that out.
>interrogate Hydra guy, find location of base, get vid, rest plays itself out
Yeah, that was pretty much his plan.
Why is this so hard for OP to figure out?
You're making more assumptions and leaps of faith than you're claiming Zemo did btw.
>Fuck his original plan didn't even involve all that. It was just "interrogate Hydra guy, find location of base, get vid, rest plays itself out'
The Hydra guy being loyal to death is what forced Zemo to have to bomb the UN, yeah. That's what he meant when he told the guy that telling him what he wanted would spare innocent people.
this
framing bucky was just to get the info out of him, he needed him caught by the avengers because he knew he couldn't go 1 on 1 with the guy. setting him against the heroes was a distraction for escape and getting the vid ready to show to tony. he had a bitterness to super beings which is why he killed the winter soldiers instead of setting them loose as his henchmen.
And basically, the only reason he needed to bomb the UN was because Bucky knew where the Siberian base is. He had to do things the hard way because "Hail Hydra" and all that.
That Hydra agent was a tough SOB. I respect that he was willing to die for what he believed in.
OP, you're a little more moronic than usual today. You sick?
Worked perfectly for him, though.
>Worked perfectly for him, though.
It's all about opportunities. You don't have to control everything, you just have to be prepared to grab your chance when something pops up.
>There are people that think Marvel already have detailed plans for what will happen for all of their planned movies even though they put something like this in their Civil War along with other similarities to BvS and still aren't even done writing the script for Thor: Ragnarok
This is why he's a keikaku master user
You think he knew jack about the Accords?
There's nothing to suggest he hired crossbones, but if he did,
>thus necessitating Scarlet Witch to trap the explosion in an energy bubble but misjudge its potency, thereby accidentally destroying a building.
Didn't need to happen. He could have blown up in the middle of that market, killed a bunch of people, and still had the same effect.
>thus allowing me to bomb the UN and kill the King of Wakanda, who was only there because the destroyed building had a few Wakandans in it. I know that even though the Wakandans are an insular people with super advanced technology that they would trust the UN security's competence with the life of their king.
Is bullshit. He didn't necessarily intend for T'Chaka to die, and he didn't need that to happen anyway. If for instance, Black Widow had died in the building, and Bucky was thought responsible, it would have turned Hawkeye against Cap.
You're treating this like he knew everything that would happen, and planned it all exactly, when studying the movie shows that he was actually just sowing discord at crucial points.
>his plan depended
No. No it did not. Because it did not need to go exactly the way it did.
>How would he know Bucky, Cap and Iron Man would go to the outpost alone?
Why would he need to know that?
Why did he tell them that his plan was to make them fight each other right before he wanted them to fight, more importantly why DID they fight after he told them that?
Because he understands the need for revenge on a deep, personal level.
>Because he understands the need for revenge on a deep, personal level.
Zemo even admit outright that he knows he murdered good people when he blew up the UN. That he killed other people's families. But his need for revenge simply overshadows the fact that he is a deliberate hypocrite. Revenge is not logical.
You know...when its written out, it seems kind of stupid.
I didn't get his motivation. He was mad at the avengers or just Tony??
He was mad at them ...but not enough to kill them? Just to create two separate teams of avengers?
I would have preferred it if he spent his time pulling a scheme where the avengers become public enemies. (its been in plenty of comics)
Like if he really didn't want to kill them he just ruins their good name (though I don't know if people care...do we get people's reactions to any of them? Seems like Tony was well liked in his movies but I don't recall it for anyone else)
Anyway.
he's one the worst villains as he is disconnected from the entire plot really (the accords... I know he set up bucky but I'm guess people were looking for an unstoppable soviet assassin anyway)
its called bad writing. Most likely because they just slapped some dumb "heroes vs heroes" crap on the serpent society script without much thought.
He literally explains his entire motive and plan at the base.
He hates the Avengers because they killed his family. If the Avengers were struck down by an outside force, they could rebuild. But if they fell apart from within, they're done for good.
...
>its called bad writing. Most likely because they just slapped some dumb "heroes vs heroes" crap on the serpent society script without much thought.
If that's what you believe, then it seems you have no idea what it means to plan long term. Because if you plan ahead assuming everything would go as you predicted, you will fail.
He didn't need them to show up at the Hydra base, it just sped his plan along, he could have just leaked the video to the public and included the references in the leaked Hydra files.
Then just ask the question, how can the world trust the Avengers when they can't even trust their own friends and such.
Zemo was never HYDRA. He was a colonel in the Sokovian army and part of an elite death squad group.
He knows of HTDRA thanks to Widow releasing all the HYDRA information stored at Shield.
>I'm going to hire Crossbones to pretend to steal a bioagent so Captain America will try to stop him but fail to prevent him from using a suicide belt, thus necessitating Scarlet Witch to trap the explosion in an energy bubble but misjudge its potency, thereby accidentally destroying a building.
Nope
> thus allowing me to bomb the UN and kill the King of Wakanda, who was only there because the destroyed building had a few Wakandans in it.
Zemo did not give an iota of a fuck about T'Chaka, Wakanda or T'Challa's grief. What security or defenses they'd have in place or who survived was not important so long as he could frame the attempted bombing on Bucky.
Further, I've said it again and again regarding the principles of his actions and their repercussions; Zemo hand waves the matter of all he's done when in front of one of the victims at the end.
That should have spelled it out, but I'm surprised it was necessary since the movie shows him killing two people who have done him no harm just to get in a room with Bucky.
All so he could just turn the false accusation against him into a real one since he probably knew if Bucky was interrogated they'd learn he had nothing to do with the bombing. Much like how he plays the footage in front of Tony to legitimize his hate of Bucky.
You weren't even paying attention.
As for that other nonsense clearly the rest of the movie went over your head, he didn't know or care if Bucky would be arrested or killed, he just wanted Cap to attempt to stop it from happening since he knew Steve had a personal connection to him and it would put him at odds with everyone else aware of who the Winter Soldier is, with or without the recent framing. He didn't even care if the Avengers ended up locked up, just getting them to hurt each other was all he cared about. He was a manipulative sociopath. It's that simple. This is like people watching Silence of the Lambs and wondering why that nice old man is being so mean.
His plan was find tape.
Show it to Tony.
The where and when never mattered.
>serpent society script
There was never a "Serpent Society script" you ignoramus. There were ideas about what they would do with a 3rd Captain America movie that included Bucky, Cap, and Zemo, and Zemo has nothing to do with the Serpent Society. "Serpent Society" was a joke at an expo.
>villain efficiently makes moments he didn't create turn into an advantage
>this is a terrible villain because he didn't mastermind everything in the movie
Zemo is pretty much the only villain worth a damn in the MCU but ok
>tony is never told by sam where to go
>tony is told where to go but tells the army and they all head there
Either of those were more likely to happen and would completely screw over Zemo's plan. I've nitpicked the MCU but I'm willing to let that slide.
Yeah, he pretty much tells Hydra dude that he's forcing him to improvise.
>I'm going to hire Crossbones to pretend to steal a bioagent
WHEN in the movie did it ever suggest that Zemo was behind this?
I am legitimately asking because people keep saying it but I don't recall them ever making this connection. I thought the crossbones thing was just an isolated incident to open the movie with?
>Either of those were more likely to happen and would completely screw over Zemo's plan.
That would change nothing as Zemo would still have the tape, and he would just drive away and release the tape some other time.
Why are people over complicating his plan to this degree when all he wanted was a tape?
The outpost didn't matter, the accords didn't matter. This was just stuff he used. He would have originally just flown to the outpost without any attention if the hydra guy coughed up its location and sent the video to Tony.
You... you didn't watch the movie, did you?
Idiots, for some reason people are trying to find a flaw with the movie I guess, most seem to point at Zemo just because, though their reasoning is generally pretty weak, if they're trying to imply he's connected to Crossbones they've gone full retard, possibly buttflustered DCEU fans.
Hydra has basically been completely dismantled both from WS and AoS, the leader was killed by Hive and he gave Shield what the needed to hunt down the rest of Hydra that was hiding from the WS leaks. Crossbones was probably among the last to go, throw in whatever reason you feel like, perhaps he lost communication with the rest of Hydra when they were fixing him from taking a building to the face so he just tried to go solo merc.
OP, have you considered that the reason this plan is so convoluted is that maybe Zemo's improvising this shit as he goes on?
So you're saying that a comic book villain in a comic book movie has a comic book plan?
Ok.
>Also the whole parent vid was Martha tier.
Who the hell was filming that anyway? If it was a CCTV camera, how did it suddenly zoom in from ground level after being shown from regular wall-camera height initially?
ur dumb, OP.
Zemo knew three things at the start of the movie:
- Winter Soldier is Cap's bff Bucky
- Howard Stark was killed by Winter Soldier
- Colonel GoToHell was the Winter Soldier's handler.
He went to Colonel GoToHell looking for anything he could get. He wasn't asking specific questions, he wanted to know everything about the mission on Dec 16, 1991.
Since GoToHell was uncooperative, Zemo had to find the only other person that he knew was involved in Dec 16, 1991: Bucky.
Since he didn't know where Bucky was, he bombed the UN, waited for Bucky to be found and captured, and waited for a psychologist to be sent so he could kill and impersonate him.
From Bucky, he learned the location of the base, the nature of the cargo in Howard's trunk that night, and the fact that there had been a surveillance camera at the crash site (Bucky knew this because he shot the camera in the video).
Knowing now that there was a video of the murder, Zemo rushes to Siberia to get it.
The fact that Cap and Tony found out where the base was is secondary. Once Zemo had the video he could have presented it to Stark a thousand different ways. But since they happened to show up at the base shortly after he did, he went ahead and popped the video in the vcr.
How did he know about Bucky?....seriously its not like it was public knowledge that Bucky was the Winter Soldier.
How did he know about Hydra's secrets? Because it was convenient for the movie? If he wasn't part of Hydra how the fuck would he know?
>Since he didn't know where Bucky was, he bombed the UN, waited for Bucky to be found and captured, and waited for a psychologist to be sent so he could kill and impersonate him.
And if Bucky ended up killed by the Germans, Zemo would have lost access to that mission's files. But then Bucky's death would almost certainly have de-stabilised and emotionally compromised Steve Rogers. And that means instead of driving Tony crazy, Zemo would drive Steve crazy instead. That would be an entirely viable alternative path.
>How did he know about Bucky?....seriously its not like it was public knowledge that Bucky was the Winter Soldier.
>How did he know about Hydra's secrets? Because it was convenient for the movie? If he wasn't part of Hydra how the fuck would he know?
Did you even watch the movie? He TOLD you outright how he knew.
>people are trying to find a flaw with the movie
It's not like you have to try very hard, it's a pretty stupid movie.
>He didn't watch The Winter Soldier
kys
>It's supposed to be retarded so that makes it OK
Did you not watch it? This is explained in Zemo's first scene:
When Black Widow dumped all of S.H.I.E.L.D files onto the internet in Winter Soldier, there were a ton of Hydra files in that. "Millions of pages. Much of it encrypted, not easy to decipher, but I have experience...and patience. A man can do ANYTHING if he has those."
Just in case you did watch it and just don't grasp what happened, let me break it down for you:
Zemo is the head of a covert intelligence agency for Sokovia (Echo Scorpion, this is stated in the movie). He decrypted Hydra files about the Winter Soldier, learned that Cap's boyfriend killed Iron Man's parents, and knew he could use this to drive a wedge between the two of them.
It was pretty clearly just a move for more drama. Bucky seen killing them from a static camera angle in grainy black and white wouldn't have the same effect.
Holy shit people really can't pay attention or understand supposedly simpleminded comic movies.
Black Widow leaked all of SHIELD and HYDRA's files at the end of Captain America: Winter Soldier to expose them in a way they could not possibly recover from. Remember the movie before this?
After Avengers: Age of Ultron Zemo spent a year deciphering those files so he could have every piece of background information HYDRA had through SHIELD on the Avengers.
Also it's precisely because he's not part of HYDRA that he not only has to go about it in this complicated one-man way instead of having manpower and giving orders like Strucker, but also why he got away with it since the rest of HYDRA is shown currently laying low to escape notice. So they had no idea what he was doing. The entire point of Zemo's character is how he turns powerful groups and organizations against themselves through exploiting their vulnerabilities when they're down on the ground.
This movie just proves you can explain every single thing and not fix the inherent problem of a retarded audience.
That's a whole lot of reaching there. His plan was just to find the tape and only required Tony and Steve to be together. Everything else was just people being dumb, argumentative, and tense. His actions resulted in the hero conflicts escalating to violence, but it was just convenient and didn't matter to him until the end.
You shouldn't carry your BvS overanalysing everything and just tried and enjoyed a proper movie.
How long did it take for Zemo to improvise the construction of the EMP he built?
>he built
>what is black market
This but also
>frame Bucky for a high profile crime so Cap defies his peers by defebding him
Really the only parts that NEEDED to go a certain way. Every other step of his plan could have conceivably gone a different way and still worked out. Remember, originally he wanted that Hydra guy to tell him more. When the guy didn't, he changed up.
>How long did it take for Zemo to improvise the construction of the EMP he built?
He had it built and stored up in his hotel room. But it was clearly only a backup plan and he hoped that the Hydra agent could have spared him the work.
He got his video. He exists left stage, and then emails it to Tony privately later.
>>frame Bucky for a high profile crime so Cap defies his peers by defebding him
>Really the only parts that NEEDED to go a certain way.
Well, even if Steve didn't try to defend Bucky, Bucky would still end up either dead or captured. If captured Zemo go for the impersonate psychiatrist route. If he died he goes for And after he got what he wanted out of Bucky, Bucky would have ended up actually attacking people in the building and would have to be on the run either way.
Yeah, main point being he had several possible win conditions, and didn't really rely on any particular coincidence to succeed
Because Zemowksy's plan wasn't a keikaku, it was him just playing roulette.
>Phew thank goodness Im literally the 1 person on the planet with the interest and the ability to hack the Hydra/Shield files open
>Phew thank goodness these Sokovia Accords just happen to take effect at the same time as MY plan to break up the Avengers gets going
>Phew thank goodness theres only 1 traffic cam in all of the UN grounds so no one sees me drive in or drive away, only plant the bomb
>Phew thank goodness that Avenger couldnt outrace me on a staircase
>Phew thank goodness my emp bomb wiped out the recording of me posing as the psychoanalyst and every other camera on this facility so Im not prevented from boarding this plane to Moscow
>Phew thank goodness this hydra base still exists
>Phew thank goodness Hydra left a little wheely monitor here
>Phew thank goodness Hydra loves to rewatch videos of their assassinations on Movie Tuesdays so they kept the CCTV video all these years
>Phew thank goodness Captain America didnt punch the tv
>Phew thank goodness Captain America didnt tell Tony Stark that Winter Soldier killed his parents already
>Phew thank goodness Hulk or Thor didnt show up or theyd rip this bunker off the hinges
>people don't pay attention when shit regarding plot was practically thrown at them
i know these are turn off your brain pop corn movies, but come on. what the fuck are some of you doing in the movie theater?
>Movie Tuesdays
>Phew thank goodness Stark showed up! If he wasnt told by the black fella where to come, it would be pretty awkward with just me America and Bucky
>>Phew thank goodness Im literally the 1 person on the planet with the interest and the ability to hack the Hydra/Shield files open
Survivor bias.
>>Phew thank goodness these Sokovia Accords just happen to take effect at the same time as MY plan to break up the Avengers gets going
Irrelevant to the plan. He could've bombed any UN meeting to get what he wanted
>>Phew thank goodness theres only 1 traffic cam in all of the UN grounds so no one sees me drive in or drive away, only plant the bomb
There might have been more pics of him, but they were looking for Bucky and might have disreagrded them.
>>Phew thank goodness that Avenger couldnt outrace me on a staircase
He ran into people to blend in.
>>Phew thank goodness my emp bomb wiped out the recording of me posing as the psychoanalyst and every other camera on this facility so Im not prevented from boarding this plane to Moscow
It didn't. It just didn't get broadcast fast enough to stop him. People were still looking for Bucky because he attacked the people inside the building.
>>Phew thank goodness this hydra base still exists
He knew it existed because it was a bunker. Bunkers are made to last.
>>Phew thank goodness Hydra left a little wheely monitor here
>>Phew thank goodness Hydra loves to rewatch videos of their assassinations on Movie Tuesdays so they kept the CCTV video all these years
He could've gotten away with sending the video after, but sure, it was made for a better movie.
>>Phew thank goodness Captain America didnt punch the tv
That would've only confirmed it to Tony's eyes.
>>Phew thank goodness Captain America didnt tell Tony Stark that Winter Soldier killed his parents already
Good point, actually.
>>Phew thank goodness Hulk or Thor didnt show up or theyd rip this bunker off the hinges
Irrelevant, he didn't need to be alive for the video to take effect.
I mean, some are a bit of leaps of faith, but it's not more far fetched from movie convenience than anything else.
Well I wasn't listening, I was thinking of something else
1. Bullshit. We're going to see more people with leaked Hydra info. Zemo is just the first of many.
2. Legit coincidence, but not actually necessary for Cap and Iron Man to be at odds over Bucky killing Howard. The way the film played out was worst-case-scenario for Tony, but even if the Accords never happened, the Colonel cooperated, the UN wasn't bombed, and Bucky was still in hiding, Tony getting that video in the mail would have been a major upset between him and Cap.
3. He's the leader of a covert ops team. The one camera that saw hi is the one camera he deliberately walked in front of.
4. Again, leader of a covert ops kill squad. Zemo was not a desk-jockey.
5. You expect a top-secret facility to be scheduled for demolition when no one in the legit government knows it was even there? They think it's a closed-down obsolete missile silo.
6. >implying Zemo didn't wheel a monitor out into the one big room
7. The video was part of the mission report. Things like that get kept forever, by any modern military.
8. If Cap punched the tv, Zemo could still send the video to Stark later. Not to mention the fact that Zemo knew that killing the super-soldatz confused Cap and Tony and so he said that line about "but then you wouldn't know why you've come here" to pique their curiosity about the video about to play.
Not to mention the fact that if Cap broke the tv and Zemo got the video to Tony later, it would just make Cap look that much worse for keeping Tony from finding out the truth in the silo.
9. The fact that Cap and Iron Man are still friends pretty much tells you this didn't happen. Zola showed Cap the picture of Howard Stark's obituary while saying "when history did not cooperate, history was changed", extremely heavily implying that Hydra had Howard killed. Cap is the sort of polite person who wouldn't bring up a conspiracy theory about your dead parents in casual conversation.
10. Zola was ready to die anyway.
You know for all the people who call TWS the best Marvel movie there sure are a lack of people who remember what happened in it
>Phew thank goodness these Sokovia Accords just happen to take effect at the same time as MY plan to break up the Avengers gets going
Vice versa, Zemo did not act until he knew the Avengers were vulnerable due to unavoidable political backlog building from their activities. He stresses his patience on this matter.
>Phew thank goodness theres only 1 traffic cam in all of the UN grounds so no one sees me drive in or drive away, only plant the bomb
Zemo was SPECIFICALLY stated to be wearing a synthetic disguise to impersonate Bucky. He is skilled in stealth and espionage to know where a weak point exists to exploit.
>Phew thank goodness my emp bomb wiped out the recording of me posing as the psychoanalyst and every other camera on this facility so Im not prevented from boarding this plane to Moscow
Again, skilled in espionage.
>Phew thank goodness this hydra base still exists
What else would a heavily fortified HYDRA resource do? Enter the Negative Zone? HYDRA could not move an inch after CA:TWS and were sure they would rule the world before that.
>Phew thank goodness Hydra loves to rewatch videos of their assassinations on Movie Tuesdays so they kept the CCTV video all these years
Hydra kept records on their infiltration of SHIELD so they have worse offenses, but sure the traffic cam was the straw that broke the Warmachine's back.
>Phew thank goodness Captain America didnt punch the tv
Wat. Would that stop the footage from existing somehow?
>Phew thank goodness Hulk or Thor didnt show up or theyd rip this bunker off the hinges
Again, waited for an opportunity.
If Stark didn't show up he would have just sent the footage to him while Steve and Bucky were occupied searching the bunker since he knew Tony would come flying at Mach 5 to kill Bucky all the same.
>Oh shit wheres Stark!? No matter let me just email him the video using this Hydra Base wi-fi. The password should be in this red book somewhere....wait a minute how do I get the video...onto the..oh fuck I'll just take a video on my phone then text it to him! You're a fucking genius, Zemo! Wait, what's his phone number...let me ask Captain America
>"hydra record all their assassinations!"
>bucky clearly shown surprised by camera and shooting it
So its protocol for him to shoot cameras then hydra to get the footage anyway
Why shoot it
YouTube that fucking shit
Email it to the media
War Hero Assasination by Hydra revealed would be great news. And the world would know with Tony.
>What's his phone number
>What's the contact info of the man who gave out his details in the Iron Man series in a show of defiance.
>What's the number of a man who HYDRA already had detailed information on
>What's the number of that retard not capable of paying attention? Oh right it's 82 941 100
I thought he was just special forces in Sokovia, not like part of their CIA
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>I thought he was just special forces in Sokovia, not like part of their CIA
For small nations, CIA and special forces tend to be merged together, as they don't have enough employees to have separate departments.
>Wait, what's his phone number
You know he gave out his phone number in IM3? It probably isn't even hard to find
Also he could just send it literally anywhere. The press caused T'Challa to go on a manhunt for Bucky when he thought he killed his dad. So how do you think Stark would handle it?
Seriously stop trying to find stupid holes
He was from a 'death squad'. Basically military assassins. I'm sure they kept it vague not to have people pick at the wrong thing.
Also . Only continent-sized countries need to have an FBI and a CIA and a NSA and Spetial forces and whatnot. Smaller countries usually merge some of these.
Why don't you have Crossbones just rape Captain America?
you got it backwards, impostor gordon.
But that's Necrophilia!
The whole idea of Hydra keeping files seems king of hilariously out of place though.
Why would they keep digital notes on their top secret weapon?
Who put that camera there anyway...and how did they retrieve the tape?
That is a plot contrivance in the sense of media, but it can be excused much like how certain black operations had documents on them leaked.
One would question why anyone would even allow them to exist, but I suppose in the business of these things records have to be kept to keep record of what happened when in the future for reference or whatever sake. Not being Ed Snowden I can't tell you for sure myself.
It doubt it was digital. 1991 was a long time ago.
Maybe they kept it to blackmail escaped soldiers?
I think the camera was just there and Bucky killed it. Then someone went and grabbed it for leverage purposes. At least it's what I extrapolated from it.
Sorry *it can be excuased BECAUSE of how certain black operations in our world had documents on them leaked
COINTELPRO and the like for example.
Batman v Superman and Captain America: Civil War have the same plot. Like exactly the same.
Nah. They have the same premise. The plot and even story structure is very different.
Civil War has 4 acts, for example.
Don't even start with acts, no one can agree when an act begins or ends when it comes to a motion picture.