Best entry in entire MCU

Best entry in entire MCU.

If it's not in your top three you have no taste

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how is it in a cinematic universe if it's a tv show

>Winter Soldier
>GotG
>Ant-man
>Daredevil season 1

Because it's a motion picture

why are you so dense?

>how is it in a cinematic universe if it's a tv show
Because it's a make believe.

I enjoy it. the MCU has been pretty decent and fun overall. It reminds me of the comic book golden age, but on the big screen.

Also like how comics would introduce new heroes in more popular comics only to have the new heroes branch off, this is the TV series and movies are doing them.

Like how Black Panther was introduced in FF comics and Wolverine introduced in the Hulk comics, Marvel is doing this with their netflix shows and movies.

Found that pretty neat.

It's not very good. Like 1/3rd of the first season is good. Everything else is pretty shit.

explain your taste

it pretty good as far as hero shows go, it's pretty well written. We have yet to have a super hero show on par with a good super hero film.

how can the MCU possibly remind you of the Golden Age? Only Cap is a Golden Age character. The Marvel Universe as you know it only existed in the Silver Age.

Do you know anything about comics?

Gotham

Personally I think there's two damning sins Daredevil commits:

Number one is that the dialogue is sophomoric and is delivered in the worst ways possible. People don't talk- they recite speeches like Rorschach's internal monologues at each other.

The second is that the whole thing looks ridiculously cheap. The best comparison is a film student's undergraduate project, or a low budget teleplay- the framing of each individual shot tends to be straight-on, which makes it look like it was shot on a camcorder. The sets are sparse and flat, and I swear I've seen sets that are supposed to be complex. They don't try and build a world with them; they're just places for things to happen in. And the choreography is some of the worst I've seen in anything above a daytime Soap Opera. Everyone knows fights in film are faked, but the ways they're faked in film differs from stage shows.

The best example of this I can give you is Frank's prison fight- whenever he stabs someone, he slides his fingers forwards over the "blade" and bumps them with the butt of his hand. This is common in stage shows because it's easy and you aren't looking too closely, or in movies when it's shot from a proper angle. Daredevil shoots this straight on, so you can see him not stab the other person. This is really poor form, and destroys any illusion that the fight is happening.

It's not just tat, though; every punch is from the elbow, people are clearly punched past, and the whole thing generally looks like a bunch of kids playing.

Then there's the hallway fight that people praise, where the Daredevil "actor" over-theatrically plays up being "tired" like a silent movie actor would. If you watch it with the sound off it looks like a Marx Brothers skit, especially when he ducks people's punches and tries to do jumping kicks off the wall.

There's a ton of other problems (the pacing, the so called "comic relief," the costume...) But the blatantly bad filmmaking is something I can't forgive

They're all obviously after a target audience who isn't smart enough to be annoyed by how generic stuff looks, how idiotic a lot of the scenes are, how awful most of the characters are. For example, many scenes have characters draw their weapons but, nobody gets hurt or shot. This kind of false drama is a trick bad writers use to escalate tension without actually influencing the story or developing their characters. Netflix goes to this well so often.

They also dislike painting a negative picture of the characters they want you to root for. Probably the best example of this is when Punisher buys a bunch of illegal equipment. The sleazy salesman sees his face. I'm questioning The Punisher's intelligence. Then the truth is revealed: The guy selling the equipment is like "OH BTW I HAVE HORRIBLE ILLEGAL PORNOGRAPHY" and then Punisher is like "yeah I'll kill this guy." Which hides his tracks and ties the scene together too perfectly. I mean, he's a vigilante murderer buying illegal surveillance equipment. Wouldn't he just kill this goon? But Netflix doesn't want him to be unlikable, so they paint this salesman as such a disgusting sleaze that nobody cares when he's killed. Because they're trying to control how you feel about the show, and about Punisher. It's bad television.

But Sup Forums's bad taste brigade loves it. Honestly Punisher will be a perfect choice for Netflix. They want the Hot Topic audience and he's a psychotic killer. But I hate it, and would prefer an Astro City show. Something good.

I mean in terms of promotion, not in terms of characters and plot lines. Remember how kids would rush to the stores to buy these comics and comics were a huge deal. This is the same ordeal, but instead with movies.

Fucking this.

Look at how horrible this looks:
youtube.com/watch?v=B66feInucFY

This is some Super Sentai-teir overracting, yet it's supposed to be "serious." And the fight choreography is miserable.

also
youtube.com/watch?v=5zsVn_vZ9zE
This manages to be even worse because they put the camera right up in everything so you can see how bad the fighting looks. It's like they're proud of it.

Clearly people should just stay out of hallways since that's where every fight takes place. What blows my mind is that the show is apparently shot on location in New York, yet still manages to look like it's shot in a studio warehouse. They need to fire half their creative staff pronto because jesus christ.

>Remember how kids would rush to the stores to buy these comics and comics were a huge deal
Unless you're in you're fifties, you don't remember this.

>Boring
>just because Dare Devil is blind doesn't mean I want to stare at a black screen for half the show
>Boring
>Unlikeable characters
>Boring
>King Kip has autism
>Boring
>Pointless love plots
>Boring
>Cool character introduced just to head butt a sharp poll
>Boring
>Introduce a magic child weapon just to go nowhere with it
>Boring
>Dare Devil doesn't seem to be affected by the sounds of gun shots right in front of him
>Boring
Yea it's the best op

this is some tasty ass pasta

>The second is that the whole thing looks ridiculously cheap
I stopped reading here. No.

>not accepting reality

ok then.

>Sup Forums has finally rid itself of the Red Batman memesters

feels good man

I mean how well developed can a show be? At some point you're just cherry picking shit. There's only few shows that do the shit you are criticizing good. Out of all the superhero shows we got out of the last 2 decades, DD has been the best one.

>Out of all the superhero shows we got out of the last 2 decades, DD has been the best one.

lmfao xD

Next time you post, you should post actual shows to combat my statement, not meme post.

3:AOU
2:Iron man 2
1:Thor 2

Reality is that Daredevil looks far better than the soap opera workman-like cinematography that plagues just about every piece of cape media outside of like Snyder's movies (because visuals are all he cares about), and the Burton Batman movies. Unless you're comparing Daredevil to like Hannibal or some arthouse shit, it's going to look better than 99% of shows just by sheer virtue of caring about composition at all.

but he did. Gotham is the superior show.

A show that actually has developed characters is worse than a show that has no lighting once so ever half assed plot and boring action.
I think you are the meme here.

>Reality is that Daredevil looks far better than the soap opera workman-like cinematography


But it really doesn't. That's the problem. It TRIES to do things different, but the crew just doesn't have the skill to achieve it so it looks worse than a workman show. It's like watching a Japanese drama compared to an American one. There's an unpolished and cheap element to it that they just can't hide.

>I mean how well developed can a show be?

There's a basic level of competency that's expected.

According to who? Your personal opinion or the opinion of the mass?

>A show that actually has developed characters

Have you watched Daredevil? The whole selling point is well written in developed characters. I'm interested in finding out what you mean when YOU say developed characters though. Care to explain?

>worse than a show that has no lighting once so ever half assed plot and boring action.

The lighting isn't an issue if you have a decent tv. Not even a good tv, just a decent one. And even still you can adjust the brightness. The lighting is meant to compliment the eerie effect of the show. It's meant to be dark. You saying there's no lighting really does give off the impression that you're cherry picking.

>Half assed plot
But the plot in Season 1 was well drawn out and well paced. Everything came full circle in the end.

>Boring action

Subjective. I enjoy the down to Earth mma style fighting, that's just me though.

>There's a basic level of competency that's expected.

Yes, and Daredevil exceed them all. But it's not perfect.

>all made within a minute of each other
That's some great coordination, guy(s). Really, well done.

Are you people serious. I don't like Dare Devil either but Gotham is god fucking awful and just as boring.

This thread is full of bias DCucks and Marvel Drones arguing about which show is the best when both suck. I put Dare Devil over Gotham though, because at least it's watchable.
Gotham is just a fucking soap opera for nerds.

Even after season 2?
Punisher was good but he was evened out by Elektra and the story besides them was just boring.
It's still in my top 3 though so

I understand the shity lighting as an artistic choice because Matt is blind but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to tell what the fuck is going on 60% of the time. I hope the fix this in the future its the major problem I have with this show. I like to watch tv not listen to tv an see black blobs move around in darkness.

>I understand the shity lighting as an artistic choice because Matt is blind but that doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to tell what the fuck is going on 60% of the time

I seriously don't get what you're talking about. I see everything, but I guess I must have a healthy pair of eyes. Care to post the scene that was the hardest to keep up with?

The whole show is just poorly lit I can't watch it during the day time or with any lights on. It's just an odd artistic choice to do this. It is completely pointless.

Someone stated earlier that it fit the overall tone of the show. Notice how JJ was brightly lit. DD's world is meant to feel a little more darker, so it wasn't COMPLETELY pointless and without reason. I'm guessing they're taking a page from Nolan's Batman, because this was also the case with his films.

I enjoy it, and can follow it quite simply. But I do watch my shows on a laptop so it's never an issue with me.

But JJ wanted to be much darker than Daredevil.
Key word is "wanted" because it fucked up all its thriller elements.

For me, my top 3 are
>Civil War
>Daredevil Season 1
>Jessica Jones

Civil War shouldn't need explaining. Season 2 of Daredevil was okay but it wasn't nearly as perfect as season 1. I initially thought JJ was going to be grrrl power the show but I was pleasantly surprised at how dark and well made it was.

>well made
Well, I guess that's capeshitfag standards for you.

It actually kind of sucks

How fucking wrong can one person be

U wot m8. Daredevil isn't watchable at all.

I don't know how anybody could find Gotham boring since there's literally always something plot relevant happening. It's not like Daredevil where we spend 40 minutes meandering around making speeches at each other.

Season 1, sure, but season 2 destroyed a lot of my enthusiasm for it.

I could shrug off s1 shortcomings, I can't do the same with quite shitty season 2.

Explain to me how I'm wrong.

All three of those suck

Civil War isn't even the best Captain America movie for fucks sake. In fact it's the worst of the 3.

>All three of those suck

not him, but you sound like a perfect consumer of hype machine. There are obvious flaws in JJ for instance, the primary one being how stupid over half of the show looks with the conclusion (idea to kill killgrave was introduced in episode 5 and everyone would be better with executing him then and there when they got the chance). After episode 8 which was great it took the wrong turn. Plus at the very end it has cringy b-movie gore.

I won't bother telling you where CW fell flat. Enjoy your popcorn

JJ attempts to be a psychological thriller, but is completely impotent at creating suspense and tension which is why it feels so padded. It treats the audience like idiots with its "subtlety". The dialogues are laughably bad at times. Main villain is dull ("everyone would've turned out like him" crap doesn't make him interesting. You can replace "mind powers" with riches or mental illness to excuse shallow boring villains being shit, but that won't change that they're shallow and boring.), shallow and absolutely ineffective. He never feels like any sort of threat. Fight scenes are bad (>inb4 it's not an action show), all the characters are uninteresting and have nothing to them beyond being assholes or "damaged".

Jessica Jones is shit. It's not late Dexter or Arrow levels of bad, but it's still not good television.

Whenever somebody says their favorite of anything is the hot new thing that just came out, you can immediately disregard that person's opinion. People like that are mentally incapable of forming their own opinions and need media hype to do it for them.

>not him, but you sound like a perfect consumer of hype machine.
In what way? Because I enjoy things?

>There are obvious flaws in JJ for instance, the primary one being how stupid over half of the show looks with the conclusion (idea to kill killgrave was introduced in episode 5 and everyone would be better with executing him then and there when they got the chance).
I agree the ending felt kind of forced, but how would you have done it?

>After episode 8 which was great it took the wrong turn. Plus at the very end it has cringy b-movie gore.
I was more surprised that it had so much gore period, although yeah I guess it could have been better.

>I won't bother telling you where CW fell flat. Enjoy your popcorn
Is this supposed to be smug? Because you come off as an arrogant autist instead.

>JJ attempts to be a psychological thriller, but is completely impotent at creating suspense and tension which is why it feels so padded. It treats the audience like idiots with its "subtlety". The dialogues are laughably bad at times. Main villain is dull ("everyone would've turned out like him" crap doesn't make him interesting.
Give some examples of the dialogue being bad. There's probably some examples but I just want you to show me you've actually watched the show.

>You can replace "mind powers" with riches or mental illness to excuse shallow boring villains being shit, but that won't change that they're shallow and boring.), shallow and absolutely ineffective. He never feels like any sort of threat.
Disagree. Killgrave was pretty damn scary when he could make a room full of people kill themselves/each other and there's literally nothing anyone can do. That's something no one with money can do. You might not find that scary but I feel like JJ did a good job in regards to giving us a villain who felt threatening. (Cont)

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>Fight scenes are bad (>inb4 it's not an action show), all the characters are uninteresting and have nothing to them beyond being assholes or "damaged".
The fight scenes have nothing on Daredevil or Captain America, but I disagree about the characters being uninteresting. I enjoyed them for the most part.

>Jessica Jones is shit. It's not late Dexter or Arrow levels of bad, but it's still not good television.
That's just like your opinion man.

>Whenever somebody says their favorite of anything is the hot new thing that just came out, you can immediately disregard that person's opinion. People like that are mentally incapable of forming their own opinions and need media hype to do it for them.
So you're saying people can't enjoy things unless they're old or disliked by the general populace? Are you legitimately retarded or just pretending to be?

It's just boring
AoS is better

>non-canon

>tfw

JJ is boring and she's ugly and can't act

Apparently, Kingpin might be showing up in spider-man homecoming.

>Give some examples of the dialogue being bad.
en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Jessica_Jones_(TV_series)
Most things here qualify. It's really painful to listen to.

>Killgrave was pretty damn scary
You have extremely low standards for "scary" if that whiny faggot is scary to you.
No, powers don't make a character scary. All of his mind-rape scenes lacked any impact. He's absolutely pathetic in any scene he's in and not even in a good creepy way.
>but I feel like JJ did a good job in regards to giving us a villain who felt threatening.
Well, I disagree then. Kilgrave is extremely unthreatening. He may be Wes Craven's comedy villain with how "threatening" he is except those are at least entertaining to watch..

It's a fanfiction for clicks, not even a rumor.

It sucks

It absolutely nails so many things that the elements it doesn't stand out much more glaringly.

Like killing off Ben Urich. Or never properly concluding a few of the plotlines in Season 2, and concluding some very poorly.

But fuck, when it's on track, it's perfect. Can't wait for The Defenders.

I still think that dumb bitch caused more deaths than most of the villains in the show.

I don't care if it's not, she looks like Chloe Bennet and that's enough for me to fap

>The pointless love plots that go nowhere.
>The odd tone of the show.
>Not even as dark as a lifetime original
movie.
>I don't care about any of the subplots.
This show has even more problems these are just some I have with the story.
And Matt would have horrible tinnitus with the amount of indoor close range gunshots going of I don't care how good his sense's are are he is still human.

One thing that bugs me is the hit man that they defend, a guy who can disarm two people at once kill them and then smash a guys head in with a bowling ball all in a matter of seconds, is nothing more than a plot device to give Matt a name before he kills him self for no real reason. He said Fisk would find out he talked and then kill his whole family or whatever, but how would anyone even find out he talked. Just a waste of time the whole thing.

Fuck yeah, DAREDEVIL.

It helps that the two seasons of his show add up to more screentime than the entire collection of movies.
To me there was only one weak moment, when Matt got the full costume at the end of S1 and the focus goes from showing off the fight moves to showing off the suit and gadgets. They straightened that right out in S2, though.
The only thing missing was the "I'M NOT DAREDEVIL" sweater, but maybe we'll see that in season 3.

>1&2 Winter Soldier = Civil War
>3 Ant Man
>4 GotG
>5 IM

...nah. Top ten though, sure.

Yeah, the site that "broke the story" was vague about the rumor's source, and mentioned Andrew Garfield too, which sounds like they were making shit up.

Sometimes these pan out though. It broke as just something people had picked up in a bar from some people supposedly in the know that Feige wasn't to keen on Inhumans, and was going to scrap it, and lo and behold, that was right, and Feige did get Inhumans off the roster.

I thought loli Elektra's fight was surprisingly convincing for a ten year old beating up adults, not perfect but she did sell it.

Loli Elektra should get her own spinoff series

Nigga, I'm 95. I was in Jack Kurtzman's streetgang, motherfucker.

>If it's not in your top three you have no taste
If you like anything from the MCU then you have no taste.

Season 2 was ass - for the most part - but it got me excited for anything Punisher again.