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You guys do realise that the Doctor wasn't even in the episode for like 99% of the time, it was literally the monk's fanfic version who thought he was the Doctor but wasn't actually?

Just finished the episode. Very solid. Obviously there are plotholes and scenes/lines that were lacking, but I'm trying not to think about that.

My new S10 rating:

Extremis
Thin Ice
Oxygen
Smile
Knock Knock
The Pilot

Yes, they spelled that out meticulously at the end of the episode, user.

I do think they should've shown the simulated Doctor get deleted by the Monk just to drive the point home though.

I'm sad that Real!Doctor didn't go back and rescue the simulated one. Or at least copy the simulated version onto his TARDIS console

>you guys do realise that the plot
yes

And then beam it into the Library computer so he and Simulated River could live happily ever after?

Or just keep it like a Tamagotchi until he gets bored and forgets to simulated-feed it?

Good taste
It's been a very strong season so far. Hopefully Chibnall can keep the momentum.

Extremis>Oxygen>The Pilot>Knock Knock>Thin Ice>Smile

Shit taste
It's been a very weak series so far. Hopefully Chibnall can't make it worse

extremis >> oxygen > smile = knock knock > the pilot >> thin ice

this really felt like some good old fashioned who. love it.

even the projection room looked like something really simple but cool like the old show. This is exactly the type of show I wanted when Capaldi came on.

Seeing that other people are doing it:

Extremis>The Pilot>Oxygen>Thin Ice>Smile>Knock Knock

My voyage dissects the course of time
"Who knows?" you say
But are you right?
Who searches deep to find the light
That glows so darkly in the night
Toward that point I guide my flight.

>It's been a very strong season so far
Honestly, I think it might be my favourite. I'm not saying it's perfect, there's always loads of room for improvement when it comes to Doctor Who, but I previously thought S9 was the best and so far this feels like an improvement on that. Hard to believe we also have a finale and Simm ontop of this three parter.

Keen to see what Chibnall does with the show too.

>Knock Knock>Thin Ice
Bad taste, user.

>smile = knock knock > the pilot >> thin ice
Terrible taste, rightie.

Extremis >The Pilot > Oxygen > Knock Knock >Thin Ice > Smile

Back to the kitchen Sarah

>terrible taste
Care to explain

He's right, Knock Knock was bretty bad and had almost no redeeming qualities but there was plenty to like in those other episodes.

The exact order doesn't matter to me when even the worst episode is better than the average most series. But if I had to choose…

Extremis > Oxygen = Thin Ice > The Pilot > Smile > Knock Knock

But if I could split up Smile, I'd put the first 30 minutes tied for first and the ending in last.

So what are we expecting from Chibnall?
>42
Ok. Kind of bland.
>hungry earth/cold blood
I thought it was a nice throw back to the old days, but in the context of series 5 it felt pretty middle of the road.
>dinosaurs on a space ship
Better than 42, but still pretty forgettable.
>the power of three
I personally enjoyed this one but I know it got a pretty indifferent response from most people.
And he hasn't written anything for the 12th?

Thin Ice is one of the best episodes of S10. Putting it dead last, and especially with ">>" to indicate a further drop in quality, just outs you as somebody who lets their bad politics get in the way of a good episode.

In short, Thin Ice made you ree.

I thought it has a decent atmosphere. It fell a part at the end but it was alright none the less.

Why do you like thin ice? It's easily the weakest episode this season. Everything else is at least a 7/10 when thin ice was a 5/10 at best.

>YOU DON'T LIKE THIN ICE BECUZ UR A RACIS
Didn't expect less from you Sarah

Did Chibnall write the scene in The Power of Three where The Doctor and Amy talk about running away? because that was GOAT

On the one hand, his Doctor Who work generally improves over time. Also, look at Torchwood—he's much better in S2, when he's the unofficial showrunner, than in S1.

On the other hand, even his best stuff (unless you count his two shorts) isn't all that exciting.

So… who knows? I'm happy to give him a chance.

By the way, who cares if he's written for 12? The question is whether he can come up with a 13 that he—and, maybe even more importantly, others—can write for.

I assume so. It's an underrated episode in my opinion. Rory's dad was great, it was nice to see UNIT in a somewhat nicer light. The concept of the boxes was cool, although the reveal was a little meh.

The character stuff in the power of three was great. Shame it shit the bed when it came to the ending. I kinda wish the cubes were some mundane alien accident or something.

>Knock Knock was bretty bad and had almost no redeeming qualities
nigga please, David Suchet was great in this. his acting made all of it saved that episode.

I don't think his Who episodes are a good indication, because he was basically told what to write, I think his own TV shows are what to base our expectations on
I thought he wrote Broadchurch pretty well, but it got pretty convoluted in Series 3. (Most people say it got convoluted in s2, but I thought s2 was great)

Torchwood Series 1 was pretty much RTD calling the shots I believe, but Series 2 was up to Chibnall more or less. I liked Series 2 of Torchwood quite a bit, but it's no 'Children of Earth'

Oh look, they're reeing now.

If rumours are to be believed, he didn't write the ending, his ending was too expensive, and it was hastily rewritten

Knock Knock is the only episode this series that's better the second time you watch it. Suchet's creepiness works even better once you know he's basically a stunted child, because it makes sense, but it's still creepy.

Then again, the other episodes don't have to get better on the second watch, because they already have so much going for them in the first place. That's why I put Knock Knock last. But it would still be around the middle almost any other series.

What the fuck are you talking about

I'm racist, not even just le Sup Forums racist, like a genuine Stormfront 14/88 blood brother racist, and I hated Thin Ice.

Not because it had niggers in, although obviously that too, but because it portrayed the bad guy as both an aristocrat and a capitalist. These were two entirely seperate groups, it's like comparing the Queen to Rex Tillerson, it just doesn't make sense. One of them inherited their money, estates, and were subsequently educated to be nobles, the other made their own money through essentially creating neo-slavery conditions, where workers were paid a pittance and risked dying pretty much every day due to shockingly bad conditions.

These two groups hated each other, the aristocracy considered the capitalists to be ignorant, opportunist, lacking morals, sort of like the nouveau-riche are looked on today. Eccentric plebians who waste their money and are absolutely stupid. Likewise, the capitalist class looked upon the nobles as outdated, doing nothing to earn their money and resented the power they help, constantly pushing for the voting rights to be extended to empower them, and subsequently promote their lassez-faire economics.


Now don't get me wrong, I hate them putting niggers out of their time period too, but I expect them to do that. Muh diversity quotas, muh tolerance, muh """""progress""""", that's just going to happen. But the fact they couldn't even be bothered to differentiate between the two most important political factions at the time when they came to head is ridiculous, the regency era was the beginning of the industrial revolution in England, when millenia old feudal prsctices were finally being challenged by tycoon capitalists, a huge period of social upheaval and change simply ignored. How do people like this become writers?

Yeah Suchet and the atmosphere are the only good bits, but the plot is so awful and all the characters inconsequential, with no tension, pacing, or anything and the twist was maybe the most underwhelming since the days of serial enforced cliffhangers.

>i dont know what mercantilism is

It would be a much better episode without the "everybody lives" bullshit at the end.

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10:30
Missy recites a story suspiciously similar to trump's favourite snake poem

Read a book.

The most successful capitalists were the landed gentry who already had the assets, just like the episode showed. You need to stop getting all your information about the world from wikipedia skimming and Sup Forums collages.

That's exactly what I'm saying, user. The capitalist class seeked an end to protectionist policies such as this, and was one of the reasons the two classes feuded so heavily. Which is why I'm saying it's stupid they didn't portray this rift.

Just watched the episode, it was total kino. Live /who/ was wrong again.

That reference made me smile. Although it also made me think they were going to try to destroy the whole world with some physics fuckery.

>The most successful capitalists were the landed gentry who already had the assets,
Depends what you meanby capitalism, they of course had their estates, but I'm talking about the factories that allowed a middle class to arise, the aristocracy didn't open factories like this and mainly gained their money from agricultural lands they'd held since the Normans.

>falling for the middle class meme

doctor who is a children's television programme

>falling for the aristocracy who had held landed estates for centuries randomly decided to open factories in the 19th century rather than dtick to the system they knew worked meme

You are either an employee or an employer. There is no such thing as the "middle" class.

>Live /who/ was wrong again.
Yep. Just a few hours later, after all the non-/who/res have left, even the people arguing about their silly rankings all have Extremis either first or tied for it.

Sure, but after a few decades of dozens of Doctor Who stories having a post-climactic letdown at least as bad as the one in Knock Knock, I guess it doesn't bother me like it used to. I blame Williams for making me enjoy the show so much as a kid I didn't realise my expectations for endings were being lowered.

It was on the planet Skaro that my old enemy, the Master, was finally put on trial. They say she listened calmly as her list of evil crimes was read and sentence passed. Then she made her last, and I thought somewhat curious, request. She demanded that I, the Doctor, a rival Time Lord, should be the executioner. It was a request they should never have granted.

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Did someone call me?

Glad someone else noticed

Call it what you want, I'm saying the aristocracy and the capitalists were two seperate groups.

You have a very warped view of history.

Absolutely none of that is the case. The factories were on the main owned by the same few families who were either part of the gentry or had made their money through the policy of mercantilism in the previous centuries. You seem to have one of those childish class warfare conceptions of history that simplifies everything in terms of "battles" between groups you can easily identity. The reality wasn't really anything like that, the vast majority of these enterprises were in the period financed by just the same families, but in new ways. The political strife that characterized the early 19th century was more bound up in ideology, centered around puritan ideas.

There was no sudden appearance of a factory owning, 20th century US style middle class of people who pulled themselves up by their bootstraps at the time.

Does anyone thing the vault is bigger on the inside?

I wasn't here for live/who/, what did they say?

Live /who/ is wrong 99% of the time. I avoid it like the plague. I absolutely loved The Magicians Apprentice but the live thread ruined it for me. Never again.

They did what they always do: shit on every aspect of the show constantly.

If not, it's a very cramped space to leave someone in for 1000 years

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I rewatched the TV movie today and it ended up being surprisingly relevant. Both the Master being executed and the fact that it has a strong motif of eyes and eyesight.

They hated it like always. I think my favorite complaint is
>nothing happened

Also, the /who/nger games were a fucking abortion

you tried cats

lol yeah that was a pretty common one I also heard "filler" and "a waste of an episode".

We never finished, did we?

My favourite complaint was:
>This is so stupid. It's so obvious that the "big surprise" is going to be that the Monks can only kill you if you believe in them. I don't even need to watch the rest of the episode. Moffat's such a hack.

I wonder if user watched the rest of the episode to see how wrong he was, and just pretended he'd never said that and found something else to complain about?

Eh, the way he talks to it he seems to count on Missy being close to the door at all times.

Also, dick pics and sock sandwiches when?

No it didn't
Hence it was a massive abortion

will Harness's episode be okay

>muh class warfare
I'm not coming into this with a bias, I identify as neither the bourgeoisie nor the gentry, I simply know it to be the case that the industrial revolution was led by industrialists and capitalists and the very process of merchantalism that you're describing is what caused it.

In Britain in the early 19th century workshops and manufactories were booming as a result of protectionist policies, the empire brought vast arrays of new goods to Britain which could be made into new products, the growth of these workshops, this cottage industry allowed artisans to become rich, expand their enterprise, and this new class with money was opposed by the ruling nobility, who thought their new found wealth and with that, power, was a threat to them. As it ultimately became the case as the Lords did lose power in the 19th and especially 20th centuries.

I'm not saying no aristocrat ever opened a factory, but for the most part these were two competing groups. And I don't know how you got muh class war out of this because I neither support the ruthless capitalists who treat their workers like shit nor the nobles who seeked to keep serfdom.

> nothing happened
> I also heard "filler" and "a waste of an episode"
My favourite was when someone said "Oh so this whole episode doesn't matter, because none of it is real" Like, of course it's not real... it's a TV show

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How do you go from this

to this?

Was rewatching part of extremis. iPlayer started to buffer. Is it fucking with me on purpose. Am I even real. Fuck.

...to this!

The scary thing is, no matter how many times you watch it, it always rebuffers at the same point. And it's the same point for everyone. No matter what ISP they're on. That's how you know the entire internet is a simulation and you're not a real person.

What's the connection between this and the other ones?

Shit dude. who's up for a mass suicide?

the valeyard. whiash they would just do one episode to tie it back to the old series. but I guess that will be an adventure that we'll never see thats in between episodes.


also, was hoping it was a remnant of the original Mondas cybermen that they hinted at in the preview.

There isn't, the last one is some guy being retarded

Why has doctor who become more vulgar in recent years? They're not afraid of saying "ass", bill pulled off a "shit" that got cut off, missy even said "bitch"

Only if you've got real Kool-Aid. Jim tried to give us that Flavor-Aid shit back in the 70s, and I walked then, and I'll walk again.

we live in dark times.

You know, Kill the Moon was a garbage episode, but I do really like the way this was shot, only seeing the creature from a distance and blurry because you're seeing it through the sky. It not only saves us from seeing the flaws in the CGI, but by not giving us a privileged, cinematic view it makes it feel more like a historical event.

didn't Rose call Cassandra a bitchy trampoline in the second episode of nuwho?

You are right that lots of those processes happened, but there wasn't anything like outright feuding between a "conscious" class of burghers and the aristocracy in regency London. It was, like you say, more the fruits of the industrial revolution that grew that richer middle class in the following decades. A lot of the tension political crises that followed can just as much be characterised as the cities vs the counties though.

All I meant with the class warfare comments was that things weren't (and honestly never have been even in Marx's time) that clear cut in Britain. The capitalists owning factories and treating their workers like shit of the period Thin Ice was set in were, by and large, from rich families, pretty much as we saw. The ethnicities of one or two extras aside the episode did a good job I thought.

They definitely could have shifted the timing around or the setting to get some of what you wanted, but I think the appeal was a historical freezing of the Thames, and the rest was written around that.

They used "bitch" at least as early as the second episode of S1.

And "ass" isn't the slightest bit vulgar unless you're American.

Also, Zombie Mary Whitehouse is still going to eat your brain; pretending you agree with her won't help.

No point killing yourself with a knock off brand. If you're going to do something, never half-arse it. Full arse all the way

If it's possible for someone to construct a virtual world where its inhabitants believe they are real, what makes you think we are the first?

Go to bed, Elon

inb4 like the planet of executioners the monks are free lance simulation specialists hired to run the numbers on how to properly invade earth

It's virtual turtles all the way virtually down.

>Zombie Mary Whitehouse is still going to eat your brain
Is that PG-13?

Yeah, I accept what you're saying, but I honestly haven't been able to find any sources for aristocrats/gentry/nobles opening factories. It seems from what I know of the period that they were two entirely seperate groups, one living in big castles with acres of lands and the other living in gated communities in London.

>ywn integrate with her matrices

Offer her a banana and she'll spread them, lad.

spread what? butter? are we making banana bread?

No, her subhuman legs.

No, it's 12A. If you Yanks wanted Mary Whitehouse, we would have been glad to ship her over while she was still alive, but you never asked.

Why's she putting butter on them? You're just not making sense, mister