You lied to me Sup Forums >27% I finally got around to seeing it tonight and I couldn't believe the reviews.
I'd honestly like some opinions of anons who can say they objectively didn't like it. And no civil war babies trying to say how they were trying to do what marvel did just worse because as much as I loved civil war that's not what they are doing. Marvel hit the jackpot with their movies and sure DC wants to do something similar but they are going about it differently in their own way.
Though I do have to say I'm excited for whenever they get rid of Zach Snyder and his forced religious imagery bullshit
Bentley Lee
27% does not mean the movie was a 2.7/10. It means 27% of reviews were positive, they're two different things.
Jeremiah Clark
Lots of people enjoyed it.
Unfortunately those people aren't most critics and reviewers, plus it definitely isn't for everyone.
I personally fucking loved it and it's my favorite cape movie and I think the second best cape movie made. Plus it has the best live-screen version of Batman on film and actually embraces the idea of Superheroes being mythical without any irony.
Justin King
Also, something else which I think is important for understanding the reviews/critics disliking it is that MOST of the professional reviewers and critics are American, and Americans don't like the idea of Superman not embracing the American dream.
Ian Hill
>implying I don't know how rotten tomatoes works. All I said was 27% calm down. And no it doesn't mean 2.7/10 it's means about every 3 people in 10 who saw it (and review it) liked it, which is still pretty terrible.
Jordan Cooper
Movie would have been better after months of thoughtful editing No WW nor JL cameos No Doomsday Have Superman be optimistic, inspiring
Have Superman actually debate his point of view instead of just moping to Lois
End the fight with a better excuse other than the Martha ptsd thing
Have them teamup againts luthor in krytonyte powered armor instead of introducing another antagonist
Bam. Just fixed most of it.
Matthew Bennett
I liked the batman parts, superman was blandy bland and mopy, lois lane was there to be fucked and state the obvious, Wonder Woman's line reading was terrible but the physical performance was alright, the JL cameos were badly hamfisted, the BvS part was disappointing and the reason why they stopped fighting made me actually laugh mostly because lois had to say it out loud, Doomsday being Nuclear Man from Supe IV was also lel. The whole style of the film screamed I LIKE THE WATCHMEN A LOT! GET IT! 5/10 Snyder pls go
Noah Gonzalez
BvS was a masterpiece.
Nathaniel Thomas
Superman was weirdly money, Lex had no reason to be there, it was paced awkwardly, Jimmy Olsen was murdered before anyone even said his name out loud, entire scenes were completely and utterly pointless, and Batman fucking sends Wonder Woman an email with a Justice League trailer in it.
Jeremiah Hughes
I was seriously impressed by batflek actually I had a lot of doubts. I thought henry Cavail as superman was gonna steal the show after him being the best part of MoS but I was surprised, as I was with many things this movie.
They really nailed showing batman/superman as two sides of the same coin and showing superman's descent from god to man, while at the same time rising up batmans holier than thou qualities throughout the movie really making me question the whole who is really the god/man/demon. I think that's something that people who complain about how short they fought for, you can't fight your other half forever, you eventually half to accept it.
Nathaniel Evans
Fuck. Mopey, not money.
Jackson Lopez
BvS WAS GRAET! CAN'T WAIT TIL SNYDER IS FIRED!
It's like DC friends have been raped retarded by the last two Superman movies.
Juan Reed
>bam just fixed most of it
More like bam just completely changed the movie into a shitty fan fic
Aiden Thompson
>Have Superman be optimistic, inspiring >Have Superman actually debate his point of view instead of just moping to Lois The whole doomsday thing could be skipped but those points would require to fire the director.
Jack Campbell
>Americans don't like the idea of Superman not embracing the American dream.
Yes, because at that point he's NotSuperman. People are surprisingly ok with movies that are clearly NotSuperman.
Joshua Perry
>I'd honestly like some opinions of anons who can say they objectively didn't like it. Then read any other goddamn thread and stop trying to be a fucking retarded special snowflake faggot
Aaron Collins
>Have Superman be optimistic, inspiring >Have Superman actually debate his point of view instead of just moping to Lois This is all I wanted desu
Jack Cruz
Superman was slowly becoming more and more depressed as the movie went on. People would praise him for saving one little girl and then a few days later a couple hundred people are bombed because of him. He keeps trying to help and only make things worse and he doesn't know if his point of view is right which is why he is so mopey and hardly ever defends himself verbally
Juan Collins
Motherfucker I don't know what you're talking about. He never smiled through the whole goddamn thing.
Anytime he was actually saving people the score got all sad and shit too. Like i'm supposed to be... Sad that he's saving people?
Aaron Foster
It wouldn't even be the same movie at this point. How can they even be compared?
Anthony Smith
And this is a frankly horrible idea for a Superman script. Even worse than sulky deadbeat Dad Superman.
Will Snyder have him doing heroin and kryptonite next time?
Josiah Jenkins
>You lied to me Sup Forums All right fine, Candlejack isn't re
Hunter Martinez
Most of the time Superman just seemed like he had other things to do.
Brandon Nguyen
How? It's showing superman's more human side which is what I thought his whole thing with batman was about?
Ian Perry
The movie is already a shitty fanfic.
Aaron Smith
Civil War just stole Lex character and called him Zemo
Ian Wood
>It wouldn't even be the same movie Yes, and?
Elijah Gonzalez
tell that to zod's snapped neck
Alexander Brown
gee, I wonder if a neckbeard Sup Forums poster is behind this one post.
Andrew Jackson
Yes, and?
David Sullivan
>Anytime he was actually saving people the score got all sad and shit too. Like i'm supposed to be... Sad that he's saving people? Yeah, outside of a few exceptions, Superman should smile when he saves somebody.
Colton Gomez
Lex just stole the jokers personality and called himself a genius
Nathan Wright
"More human side" means a lot more than near constant moping.
Wyatt Fisher
>Sad
Take a look people, this is one of the trigger words that /tvirgins/ shitposters like to use a lot while shitposting.
''Lol, I'm a huge Batman fan and I'm really SAD about BvS! I mean Marvel won!!! what to do?''
Kill yourself virgin boy.
Tyler Murphy
I know how to fix the movie, delete Batman, Lex, Superman, Lois, Ma Kent, Wonder Woman, and Doomsday. Add in Green Lantern, Wolverine, Spiderman, Booster Gold, and Shrek. Then they fight Magneto fused with Brainiac.
Aaron Reyes
>being this triggered
Jack Gutierrez
Sup Forums was praising this movie simply because they could make memes from it and started that "kino" shit
Carter Moore
>they fight magneto fused with Braniac
Now this would make for a good movie
Brayden Long
muh ''not the movie I would have made'' criticism, eat shit and die /tvirgin/ piece of cuck
Christian Miller
I loved but I just don't care. People have different tastes, and this time my opinion was different from the majority.
Adrian King
This. When Sup Forums and their patron saint Armond White declare something to be a masterpiece you should at least start getting worried.
Jaxson Taylor
When Superman descended from the sky with an heavenly glow behind him i almost choked on my popcorn from laughing. Also that DBZ dub tier of making sure to the audience is aware that no one is in the battle zone was funny to me.
Dylan Gonzalez
>Sup Forums was praising this movie
No way, a ton of virgins were maing hate threds daily weeks before the movie was released and jumping on all the bandwagons.
>the movie last like 2 and a half ours!!!! Like most superheroe movies but lets complain regardless! >They are showing too little in the first trailer and is too serious! >They are showing too much in the second trailer and is too comedic!! >They are showing the whole movie in the third trailer and now the movie doesn't know if it wants to be funny or serious!!!
Easton Hughes
oh look its another Sup Forums shitposters spouting buzzwords!
Isn't this a school night, young faggot?
Joshua Foster
You must post a reply if Marvel or Disney hurt you or touched you in a bad way.
Jonathan Brown
Deadpool is a better symbol of hope than Superman at this point.
Nathaniel Sanders
that was fast. where were you touched?
Leo Harris
>You lied to me Sup Forums >27%
Isn't that the score? when did /co imply that wasn't the score?
Logan Torres
>and the slightest inference against them is met with shrill screams of rape.
Wow because that's exactly what you're doing.
It's almost like Marvelcucks are the ones in abusive relationships and any challenge to the casual quipfests that cape movies are expected to be forces them to scream and cry.
Colton Myers
I removed most of thr movie's poorly executed parts and hamfisted mistakes in order to create a mote focussed product, but by all means, go on and tell me how youtube cameos, cheap cgi monsters and teenage-edgy pseudo philosophic dialogues are better than my fanfic
The same director had Clark actually (poorly) debate shit like this in MoS. Why dif Snyder took Superman two steps back on his character development?
Sad thing is, he already was over that crap, he kept saying he was no omnipotente god, just a guy from kansas wanting to do good
Lex's chidish stunts, college level politics and a crazy vigilante on a bat mask shouldnt change it. I'm all in favour of nerfing power levels, but not personalities
They should call the movie Batman's bitch: Superman. Because you can tell from his 43 lines he was never treated as Bruce's equal
John Cooper
in the heart, thanks based Snyder! I needed that after the shit show that was Age of Ultron.
Joshua Jackson
Funny, you can talk shit about AoE and I won't fall on the floor whimpering.
Chase James
>Sup Forums shitposter gets btfo >lol crybabies mod pls delete
Asher Kelly
user, let me tell you one thing.
Yesterday while I was getting my dick sucked by my GF, she reminded me about my V for Vendetta mask.
Unrelated to the thread, but I know that /tvirgins/ get pissed as hell when they hear about somebody else getting laid, so there you go.
Brody Torres
>BvS >A challenge You have a strange definition of the word given that BvS is literally a late night talk show punch line.
Austin Gomez
the problem was it was merely a ok movie. it was batman and superman, it should have been fantastic
Joseph Martinez
The sad thing is there are parts of BvS that work, its just bogged down by shit editing and other glaring issues. I feel like everything was thrown at a wall to see what sticks. Parademons with a Darkseid tease, Flash running from the future, Wonder Woman debuting, all of these things should envoke excitement. But instead it felt disjointed, a constant reminder that "a better movie is on its way!" I hope Ben knows he's great in this and doesnt get discouraged
Nathan Diaz
Well when you produce a dozen movies in the time it makes DC to make two, it's understandable if one isn't really up to par. However were still waiting for DC to claw its way up to being as good as Age of Ultron
Jason Miller
Then why isn't he embracing being a part of the American Dream in the following Superman comics:
>All Star Superman >Superman Birthright >Superman For Tomorrow
Seriously, there's this massive disconnect for Superman fanboys.
Jackson King
>and I won't fall
are you one of those people that take personal offense or relate taste in movies with people getting angry?
you have problems, dude, like stop being a virgin problems.
Juan Cooper
Its too late to back down now bro. We all know where the "capekino" meme came from.
Grayson Jenkins
>reading comprehension
Do you know what it is to challenge an idea? or to challenge the norm? It doesn't matter, I'm just shocked you got this far in to the thread without posting Martha! or some other Sup Forums forced meme.
Ethan Ramirez
> I hope Ben knows he's great in this and doesnt get discouraged I think he knows. He is already signed up for more movies than any other actor in the DCCU
Brandon Taylor
>We all know where the "capekino" meme came from.
Yeah, from retards /tvirgins/, we all know that.
It means movie in german, it doesn't even make sense.
Memes by 10 year olds, that's what happens
James Davis
To be fair, Ben's career at this point was cashing very tiny paychecks for low budget work. He needs this WB money for his future project ideas.
Justin Flores
He does embrace it in Birthright. It depends on how you define the whole "American Dream" thing.
I've stopped caring about these movie specifically because I have those comics for muh Superman. Maybe in another 20 years I'll get a movie with him in it.
Cooper Moore
I think there's definitely something here. I think people had these weird expectations from Batman v Superman which could never reach their hype. I think people somehow thought that it was also going to be nothing like Man of Steel, which is really fucking dumb.
I personally really enjoyed Batman v Superman, but I understand it isn't for everyone. It's a very fucking dense film with a lot of shit going on and doesn't really allow you to linger on anything before jumping to the next part. I totally dig that not everyone is going to enjoy that but I really did.
I personally like the idea of Superman having doubts. I loved Ben Affleck's Batman, and Gal Gadot made me really excited for Wonder Woman.
Something, for me at least, is that Batman v Superman got me really excited for the rest of the DCEU which is something none of the Marvel movies have done thus far (barring Civil War made me kind of excited for Black Panther, but that's cause Black Panther was probably the only good part of Civil War).
Gavin Roberts
>It's a very fucking dense film
You seem to have this confused with "poorly edited" and "nonsensical characterization".
Also, this is a BvS thread, no one gives any real fucks what your opinion of the Marvel movies are.
Charles Wilson
The fact that Batman refused to brand Lex gives me hope that the members of the Justice League which haven't joined yet will be real heroes instead of murderers.
Colton Foster
I know what is to challenge an idea and a norm. I also know that BvS fails at it so spectacularly that it's become a dreaded real life meme and now people are going 'Well maybe the new Ghosbusters won't be as bad as BvS".
The fact is that you're too busy whining bout shills and Disney conspiracies to realize that nobody gives a shit about any of the stuff you're saying they do. They'll see any movie so long as it's good. This wasn't.
Jeremiah Morales
Yeah, Island Savage Aquaman really gives me that non-killer vibe.
Owen Fisher
Here's why I hated it. >The reason they fought was kinda dumb. If Superman was nearly as blood thirsty as >Bruce thought he was, why did he basically announce that he was planning to fight him with the "Do you bleed?" bit. >The Dream sequence was thrown in for the trailer and nothing else. >The Flash Appearing in the dream. >Shoehorning in The Flash, Aquaman and Cyborg. >Lois Lane could have been cut from the Movie entirely and it would've been better for it. >Batman should have retrieved the spear, while Superman fought Doomsday. >Doomsday looks like a Micheal Bay Ninja Turtle. But somehow even worse. >The Reason they became friends was laughable. >Wonder Woman read her Email and was like "Yeah, Okay. I'll fight along side you guys" and that was all she did. See my comment on Lois lane. >Lex was creepy and immature. He basically committed sexual assault with a Jolly Rancher and was really vulgar with the Jar of Piss. >That stupid scene on top of the mountain where Clark talked to his Pic Related. All that said, it still looked cool. So points where they are earned, I guess.
Tyler Hernandez
I was taking more about Cyborg and Flash. Aquaman has probably killed a few people, but who knows?
Levi Nelson
>You seem to have this confused with "poorly edited" and "nonsensical characterization". That's because it's impossible to like this movie and actually understand and address the complaints levied against it. They're mutually exclusive thought processes.
Christopher Martinez
The movie is a least a 6/10. It's below average but not atrocious like many critics made it out to be. It's a dumb movie that's marginally better than other dumb movies but not fun enough to be a good movie at the same time.
Brody Robinson
Why?
Kayden Long
It's not a far cry to assume Flash and Cyborg would both have issues with killing, Wonder Woman would too but would be willing to cross that line.
Aquaman will most likely not be a killer in the movie. Even if he isn't adverse to it I can see him realizing the political weight of the king of the sea coming to the surface world and murdering its people.
Anthony Evans
That's the point. The movie has fundamental flaws. It is so fucked it would require entire script rewrites to right the wrongs. There are good pieces there, even some potential, but it's squandered by a less than adequate script and plot. Batman was done well, minus his stupidity at times, and the cast was well chosen. Most of the problems fall on Zack Snyder and WB. It's especially frustrating when every problem is so easily fixed.
Daniel Bennett
I'm sorry, but you said "fun" so your opinion must be disregarded. Only babies and shills want to have fun at the movies.
James Perez
Snyder is a well-recognized master of beautifully filmed Shit at this point.
And for some of our friends, dank visuals are enough. They can tell themselves they indulged in something DEEP later on the internets.
Jack Thomas
I don't think so, he directed and co-writed the a picture that won multiple Oscar awards, that alone gives him some cred to keep directing and he always was a small budget kind of director.
Bentley Thompson
Are you serious?
In Gone Girl he was praised for his acting, and all the movies he's directed (Gone Baby Gone, The Town, and Argo) have all been critically acclaimed.
In early interviews he sad part of the reason he agreed to do Batman v Superman was because he wanted to learn more about directing big budget movies, and probably because his contract including him making a Batman movie (or movies).
Ben Affleck didn't chose to do Batman v Superman because he needed it for his career, it's because him making Batman movies will make his directing career even bigger.
Tyler Baker
>now people are going 'Well maybe the new Ghosbusters won't be as bad as BvS".
One quote you shit poster. I want to see one single person who isn't you who has said "Hey Batman v Superman sucked, I bet Ghostbusters will be alright"
>too busy whining bout shills and Disney conspiracies
I haven't even brought this up. I'm not some tinfoil hat wearing moron.
>They'll see any movie so long as it's good. This wasn't
But it was. It made a hell of a lot of money and most of the people who went to see it enjoyed it. It had a terrible opening reception due to the critics but majority enjoyed it.
Asher Hernandez
Critical Acclaim =/= paying for my Malibu Mansion. >In early interviews he sad part of the reason he agreed to do Batman v Superman was because he wanted to learn more about directing big budget movies ie, Getting paid for a change.
Ian Carter
Or Superman: Red Son, where they flipped the script and Superman landed in the Soviet Union.
Easton Young
I got to say, Im bummed out about the current DCEU state right now. I hope they pull it around, because I hate the feeling of "oh good a ___ movie......hope they dont fuck this one up." I really want to like BvS, theres good stuff there, but damn does the bad overshadow it.
Jackson Kelly
>and most of the people who went to see it enjoyed it. It has lower audience favorability than The Incredible Hulk. (appropriately).
Julian Adams
>One quote you shit poster. I want to see one single person who isn't you who has said "Hey Batman v Superman sucked, I bet Ghostbusters will be alright" The Nightly Show, the episode that aired on May 2 2016. When I said that the movie was a late night talk show punch line I was being literal. I was, however, paraphrasing. The exact joke has more to do with sjw bs but it's still BvS as the zinger and the go to association for "this year's bad movie".
Ryan Evans
It had good visuals. Everything else was a fucking mess. People liking it =/= good. People Liked the Smurfs and it was crap. People Liked Alvin and the Chipmunks and it was crap. People Liked Keanu and it only has one joke.
Fun Fact: The General Movie Audience is kind of fucking dumb.
Brandon Torres
I agree. I'm pretty sure that's kind of the point of Batman refusing to brand Lex, but people just wanna call out:
>Tell that to Zod's snapped neck
Every complaint I've heard about Batman v Superman seems incredibly knee-jerky, and doesn't appear like they actually want to look at anything in the film.
I can totally understand that people don't like the editing, for me it worked cause it felt like a fever-dream in a good way. When I first walked out of the theatre I knew I liked it but also knew a lot of other people wouldn't like it.
As far as the comparison to Marvel movies is concerned it's just a natural reaction. What I was saying is that the second DC movie made me interested in what's to come later, whereas basically none of the Marvel have made me interested in whats to come later. I'm not shitting on the Marvel movies when I say that I'm saying it in regards to the fact that the two DC movies feel like they're building towards a saga whereas the Marvel movies don't.
However, a big part of that could be because the first two DC movies were both mainly about Superman and were by the same director, whereas the first two Marvel movies were different directors and different characters (Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk).
Caleb Mitchell
>and most of the people who went to see it enjoyed it. It's pretty gud if your bar is Thor 2.
Eli Ortiz
But that's not Superman's human side. That's not Clark Kent. That's just some unbearable asshole calling himself Clark.
We've had decades of comics showing Superman's human side, and yet somehow Snyder fucked the whole thing up.
Jordan Price
Inb4 WB's Rotten Tomatoes is controlled by Marvel.
Mason Scott
>Booster Gold NOW we're talking.
Logan Cooper
Elseworlds story so it doesn't really count IMO. But yeah.
Christopher Williams
>Every complaint I've heard about Batman v Superman seems incredibly knee-jerky, Then with all due respect you're probably not paying close enough attention.
>, for me it worked cause it felt like a fever-dream in a good way. You might want to find a better phrase do describe this in the future because, given that in order to have a fever dream your brain needs to be slowly dying due to overheating, your analogy basically means you have to be slightly brain damaged to get into the movie.
Brody Collins
>For me it worked because it felt like something you imagine when you are physically ill.
Can't argue with you there.
John Ross
74% is still high. It doesn't matter if it isn't the highest.
So you're source is the opening monologue on a talk show? Great
And what exactly is your basis for those movies being crap? You weren't the target audience? Cause it looks like you're trying to point out the audience of a mature and dark themed film are idiots because the audience for children's movies are generally children.
Nolan Baker
This movie was better than CW and XMA combined
Andrew Phillips
>Whats to come later Thats the fucking problem. 2 1/2 hours of what should be a crucial moment in comic movie and you leave thinking "well the next one should be a hoot!" is a big problem. Im all for a big payoff but this felt like a severe case of ASM2 syndrome. I want to like this movie, but it needed focus