Are Pajeets really good programmers and coders, or is that just a meme?

Are Pajeets really good programmers and coders, or is that just a meme?

Why does Silicon Valley, San Francisco and Seattle prefer to hire them? Is it just the cheap labor?

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yes

based on my experience on hiring and collaborating with pajeets.
yes, they're cheap, they also tend to claim to be skilled on any requirements even when they're not.
they literally learning while doing it and so far quite adaptable.
also decent written english and usually not being too taciturn

My college's CS TAs and tutors are majority Indian, straight out of India.
I think they're just super pragmatic about it, they all just want that 6 figure job at a tech company and that's what they do.

There's 1 billion of them, and we get their brightest immigrants. Im sure if pajeets were all as smart as the ones we get they wouldn't be third-world tier street shtters.

they kind of took the wrong "path". The industry in India is directed toward IT which can't support the economy by a very large margin, because it can't be implemented nationwide.

China on the other hand go with manufacturing instead, not only it is labour intensive but it also have a more profound effect on the economy because they're dealing with high demand stuff.

Beside, the authoritarian govt of china helps a lot to pave their way. When you have a big mass of uneducated of people, democracy just can't work alone.

Those are all based on my opinion though.

The problem with India imo, is the chaotic democracy which leads to a fragmented society and weak governments.

Before the 1970s China was actually significantly poorer than India (in terms of GDP per capita). But after that, the Chinese government was successful in attracting foregin investment and massively improving its economy while the Indians sat on their ass.

Here's a good wikipedia article on the so called "Hindu rate of growth" for reference

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_rate_of_growth

Yes they're that good. They spend 4 years in India plus 4 years in the U.S just learning to code. And in India they teach you exaclty what you need to know for CS to get hired. None of that bs theory they do in America.

>The problem with India imo, is the chaotic democracy which leads to a fragmented society and weak governments.

so that's the problem whith all the democracies in the 3rd world.

also.should i learn java?

Yeah. Object oriented programming a fun and useful way to think about programmes and it still has massive support in the industry.

Ironically, Maos 5 year plan which starved off millions of rural peasants was instrumental in this. India is still extremely rural, with most of the good farmland still under control by peasants. China simply killed them off/drove them off the land and into the cities. Now China has authority over land which India doesn't, and has a gigantic urban population near industrial centers, which India also doesn't.

No, they don't... i'd say they are the mexicans of programing but mexicans knows very well how to do a good job... those monkeys only copy and paste fucking code, most of them doesn't know more that wordpress and their php is so fucking poor... i mean, php is so ugh... if you're gonna use it, you must know it pretty well... but noo...

>You want something cheap? hire an indian, but there's will be problems in the future.

My job is to fix what indians do.

Yes, if what you want is to get a job quickly... (Java es re demandado en el mercado laboral, con java te aseguras laburo donde sea que vayas)

Yea i'm sure opinion of Argentinian is more valuable than Microsoft and all high tech companies who favor indians.

thanks a lot bro.
gracias loco.

im starting to study it. and i like it a lot.

since a lot of them come from disadvantaged backgrounds, earning money/getting a respectable job is usually their primary goal. Lower-middle class families make their children prioritise becoming doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc. over their actual interests, which promotes an attitude of indifference towards the actual field while focusing solely on working hard enough to get a decent paying job.

>java

these are all very accurate imo

This is true, but they do that almost to a fault. In college/uni you select the course when you apply and are taught nothing but that.

Due to globalist nature of programmer's job (remote work, programming a Java back-end software for a bank in India doesn't differ much from programming a Java back-end software for a bank in UK or US), it's a great opportunity for people from poorer countries to elevate their life status.
Here in Poland for example, median salary is ~1000€/month before taxes, while a programmer with experience can make 5000€/month, so basically the same wage as in the West.
Being a programmer here is serious business, it's treated as a prestigious job for skilled specialists, while in the West, it's treated as a shitty job for third-worlders.
This is also why programming contests are usually dominated by Russians, Chinese and Indians - they just treat it very seriously.

Put the money != know how to code right.

pajeets are cancer. look up white diaper phenomenon

dafuq are you saying?
first of all, the entire first two semesters we're taught engineering in general, from electronics to inorganic chemistry.
then, every semester, you have to study the core subjects in the programme, which is from all topics in computer science, and also pick an elective out of like a dozen. choosing electives in the same topic multiple years will get you a specialization in that topic, which is better for you if you already know what job you want or are going for an MSc., but you can also choose a plethora of different electives to cover pretty much all topics. the courses are designed pretty well, but the only problem is that it is pretty easy to get away with not doing work. everything is structured so that you don't every have to read all the chapters, and sometimes every all the subjects, to pass and get a degree. you can just mug up some shit in the week before exams, never having touched a textbook before, and forget it immediately after you write the paper, and still get a job in a campus interview. the only hard part is actually getting into a good college, because the brand name on your resume matters more than your grades, and even this is easy for ~70% of the people due to the reservations for """underprivileged""" students, who can get into too colleges without every passing the general cutoff in the entrance exams.
the main problem is that most of us don't give a fuck about computers and just want easy cash with a stable job.

they are good at math and the educated caste speaks english as native so they have huge advantage

>Are Pajeets really good programmers and coders, or is that just a meme?

Go to Sup Forums and ask some fellow programmers about what they think of Indian 'programmers'.

Costs our company more to hire an Indian to code for us than a finn. They're cheap and fast but it takes a shitton on time to incorporate their work into the products

This pretty much

Sup Forums is full of college kids that haven't done any programming outside of their 500 line Python class assignment

Yes this is very true. Sorry for the generalisation. Abroad you have to study general subjects for your first 2 years even if you want to do say CS. I'm talking about shit like Eng lit, History and music. Also what you said is only true of engineering colleges. I graduated from DU where I did a History hons degree from a no name college where for 3 years you got no choice in the classes you take. Same goes for maths, economics, business, etc.

the only problem for indian programmers is that this won't last for much longer
as supply is increasing and automation (programming) is actually a race to the bottom - a company goes for automation, replacing humans with software/robots to lower operating costs and increase profits... however, this only works in the short-term, in the long-term humans have no money to spend. it's why you now have brexit and trump and even more habbenings to come.

agreed except for
>...Indians- they just treat it very seriously

I beg to differ. tomorrow is the cs101 finals, and my whole hostel is just sitting around playing counterstrike and Rummy, and binge watching old game of thrones seasons

as automation increases, the demand for programmers increases with that as well
>he didn't forget about the finals
yes you treat it very seriously

I like literature and history, but I don't see the sense in wasting two years overpaying a university to teach you subjects you will never need to use in life. perhaps that's just because I have a backward mentality though.
also, I've always wondered what Arts students in India do after they graduate... are you a or a lawyer? or did you just take an IT course and join us like everyone else?

Microsoft has an infamously bad codebase.
They are successful mainly due to their aggressive business dealing than anything else, which is why almost all prebuilt computers and laptops come with a Windows operating system.
You don't have to have good code when you control the market.

not if there is no demand for consumer products or service (there won't be)

Sup Forums isn't a great example, as most of them are subhuman Americlaps.

There will always been a demand for consumer products and services.

>not if there is no demand for consumer products or service (there won't be)
ah yes I know, in year 30000AD when humanity ascends to upper state of self-sufficient existence, the last indian programmer will retire in peace

Majority, yes.

shitposting on Sup Forums however is a good at alleviating boredom while coding. Indians are cheap labor, they're just the precursor to AI since in the work place they'll just copy what you do then replace you whenever your boss finds out he can hire a shittier version of you for 3rd world wages.

I'm not debating the worth of such education, I'm just mentioning how uni is different in India. I'm too lazy for law. I work a shitty pointless job that my parents got me through some connections.

>None of that bs theory
So they don't learn CS at all, then.

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Based on my own experience, yes. Better the Singaporeans. Singaporean uni graduates can't even pass a basic SQL test.

Don't get me started in Singaporean Indians. They're like the Chinese's Chinese.

There's also a billion white people and you get their brightest.

Sup Forums knowss as much programming does /sci/ knows science or /biz/ knows business

Unless you're working at some research facility or developing new tech, you don't really need CS education for basic code monkey enterprise programming (so 90% of programming jobs).

no bully pls

Yeh i was a little bit rude, sorry dude... my intention was to be rude, but not that much.

yea Singaporean Indians are either rich party hard types or basically a heightened version of the stereotypical studious Indian.

don't worry mate were on 4chins. If you take anything on here seriously then you major self esteem issues.

>g/ knows everything

Meant to quote

who are you quoting?

Majority is shit and just copy-paste code from Stackoverflow or some youtube tutorial.
They will click something together and it may even work but real programming like setting up apprioate architectures, knowing design patterns is a something most of them lack.
They just get into this programming thing since it pays good. I mean they may work hard, are cheap but are not skilled per se. Being a programmer instead a plain code monkey requires a lot more. To that fundamental computer science theory is needed to know (like for estimations of algorithms f.e.) and atleast a solid math background up to linear algebra, analysis and group theory minimum. Programming in the end is just a tool.

If you want good software, hire some senior from the west. He may even have a good understanding and even implement unit tests along the way which actually work.
You want some cheap prototype? Get some smelly pajeet. Needless to say a lot of Indians are cheating in Universities, their theory is watered down to is core and it's basically a degree mill system there similiar to the US. They are primary destined for lower chain work.

some indians are ok but also a lot of them are responsible for shitty outsourced "enterprise" java code that ends up being more trouble then good

Sup Forums is the consumerism board, filled with kids from Sup Forums who just post their about their gaming PCs and argue whether Intel is better than AMD. The people who don't talk about gaming just argue about which operating system they should be using. No-one on Sup Forums is an actual expert on computer science.

>you get their brightest

No-one likes software engineering; it's dull, there's a ton of documentation to be done and most of the time you'll be working with a client that throws random, pointless extensions to the project and just makes life difficult for you. Most skilled computer scientists would rather get a more interesting job, either in research or at a specialised company. So for companies that are just looking for code-monkeys, the only difference between code-monkeys in the West and code-monkeys in India/Eastern Europe/etc. is the price.

>Go to Sup Forums and ask some fellow programmers

>/biz/ knows business
It hurts breh. At least it used to be "stock central" once but now it's just retards self-fellating themselves over their bitcoin.

nope

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Different pajeet .
I am a doctor in a private hospital and I earn ₹1.3 lakh/month (inclusive of taxes).
पेशेंट देखते-देखते गांड सुख जाती है ,but it is worth it .
What about you ?
Do you like your job ?

>did my graduation thesis this semester (thats right boys, i finish grad)
>start to grab articles and books
>half my citations are from indians
>one is paki
>two are from a Chinese university
>two europeans
>one latin american (actually impressed because Colombia)
The remain where american just because those books where 10 years old.

Meanwhile, if you search for "feminism" and social justice therms, almost all are american.

West has a problem.

Bonus faggotry.

>Sup Forums
>programmers

Boy. I work 7 years with IT. I can honestly say that 90% of Sup Forums don't know shit about "programing". But i like their facebook memes.

Isn't that quite less for a doctor, specially one at a private hospital?

>Do you like your job ?
not at all user

>not at all user
Does anyone like his job?

job is actually the only thing I like

kek

>cherry picking

...NAME OF THIS BEAUTY???

If you look closers, you will realize that the writers of the article had polish surnames...