Is /co excited for DC's Rebirth? Which issue are you looking forward to...

is /co excited for DC's Rebirth? Which issue are you looking forward to? Are you gonna cop that Rebirth issue on this Wednesday?

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I don't buy floppies anymore because it's retarded but yeah maybe. I'll just trade wait it all.

I was going to buy 20 Rebirth titles until I learned about Young Animal and Future Quest. Anybody know if the Dog Welder mini is Young Animal or main line DC?

>Which issue are you looking forward to?

I'm willing to sample ALL of the things except the villain books, Batgirl, and Chinese Superman

Also, I would've looked into Supergirl, but Not-Hank-Henshaw can fuck off.

I'd at least buy the 80 pager $2.99 is a bargain. No way it won't be more expensive as part of a trade an it will probably only be part of a "Rebirth" Omnibus anyway

What villain books?

I started with New 52, sicne this isn't that world anymore I have no interests in it.

Mainline

Looking to same things I read now. Aquaman, GL, Deathstroke, yadda yadda. Sad there's no Grifter & Zealot book, but eh. It probably wouldn't sell so fuck everything.
But what I look forward to most is tomorrow's storytime of Rebirth.

It is that world though.

Wonder woman and green arrow
Hoping hellblazer is good
And going to give a shot at deathstroke and birds of prey

Yeah I can't wait for that. The mods better give it a sticky or it's going to reach image limit thanks to fags posting reaction pics

Deathstroke, Harley, Suicide Squad

Just never been interested in those particular characters.

Expect sticky after three threads autosage.

Almost al the books are carrying on from the New 52 canon. If nobody told you about Rebirth you wouldn't even notice in like 90% of the books

It's Nu52 2.0 why should I be excited that they have rebooted the universe AGAIN after 5 years of shit and failure?

Fair enough, to each their own but Deathstroke has got a great writer for Rebirth so I'm expecting a lot from it

I also read GL. It's a huge step down from Johns but I didn't think it was terrible. His Flash though...

>same things I read now
>GL

Can I ask how the hell you've been enduring Venditti without walking away for THIS fucking long?

Like at this point, is it just a stubborn test of wills to see who leaves the book first, him or you?

It's Nu52 2.0 why should I be excited that they have rebooted the universe AGAIN after 5 years of shit and failure?

I am not being facetious or anything, I am genuinely curious as to why anybody should give a fuck. Same people in charge, same writers fucking things up. Same song, different name. Why should I give a fuck. Someone please explain this to me?

They haven't rebooted. I'm not sure how many times you have been told this

>It's Nu52 2.0 why should I be excited that they have rebooted the universe AGAIN after 5 years of shit and failure?
But it's not a reboot

Yeah, it might be a great book for all I know...I just honestly have never been able to bring myself to care about Slade.

I kinda liked Ravager when she was on the Titans, any chance of her showing up anywhere?

Yeah shes in the book from the start

>5 years of shit and failure
>this b8
Why do you care what they do if you don't read comics?

Hmm...I may rethink my position. What's her characterization even like in the Nu52?

I don't know. I liked some parts of his run. Biggest issues I have are no happy end for Hal, Parallax being bug and that atrocious issue with Hal, Guy and Barry.

No idea about her Titans or wherever she showed up first, but in Deathstroke she's regular "I want to rescue my brother/I hate my father"

Well at the very least, I like the Jolly Roger motif on the costume...

>I have are no happy end for Hal

Business as usual then

I did read the comics, or at least, I tried, but they kept cancelling the runs of everything I tried to read.

I called it quits pretty early on, when the motherfucker retconned where emotion energy comes from (feelings are a finite, nonrenewable resource? Are you fucking for real?) and killed off the being that Blackest Night very clearly established is the source of all life in the universe and killing it would erase creation.

Seeing shots of the white costume and long hair period did not suggest to me that I had made the wrong choice.

I picked it up around DCYou. It has been ok. Nothing really worth complaining about.

Yeah they cancelled stuff that doesn't sell. Don't blame DC. Blame characterfag plebs

>when the motherfucker retconned where emotion energy comes from (feelings are a finite, nonrenewable resource? Are you fucking for real?) and killed off the being that Blackest Night very clearly established is the source of all life in the universe and killing it would erase creation.
Oh yeah, awful time to be a GL fan, the worst part us that happened immediately after of the Geoff run so is it feels immensely stupid and incongruous.
After convergence with Hal as space renegade is not so bad...

In this market, a low selling comic is lucky to reach 12 issues.

Ah, I see. You didn't see the highs and how far it's fallen.

Well, I recommend tracking down Volume 4 trades.

>blame people for reading what they want

Oh I read Geoff Johns. Stopped when he left. Then didn't read for a whole lot which sounds where most complaints come from and picked it back up with DCYou.

Well, yeah. Characterfags are cancer

Cautiously optimistic. It's been getting good reviews, but I'm really not sure what to think about some of the spoilers. It's one of those things I have to get my hands on first to see how I feel.

Even then, $2.99 for 80 pages, some of which have Van Sciver art, is pretty good so unless I hate all of it I don't think it's a purchase I'll regret.

>Biggest issues I have are no happy end for Hal
Its big 2 capeshit, you will never get a real end of any kind

What should people be fags about then? Very few writers are worth following on their own merits.

Geoff did a very good epilogue at the end of his run (although was almost immediately discarded in the next run)...

You just don't have to follow character blindly.
X-fags, I'm looking at you.

Glad I got out of that mess years ago.
I do wish people would give newer things more of a shot, but at this point it seems like that will never happen unless a crazy executive forces existing characters to take lengthy vacations.

What happens to Earth-2?
Are they cancelling it now that it's starting to become good again thanks to Abnett?
Why endure through Taylor's shitty Injustice-2 and that useless Wilson run, just to close it now?

>What happens to Earth-2?
It will continue as is

I'm most excited for Wonder Woman without question because of the incredible artwork.
See this thread from earlier today.
All the art released so far for it is there.

>tfw all muggas I like aren't in books at all
I'm finally free.

THIS. Goddamn do I fucking hate all the bitch idiot faggots who are like "oh I really want to read about some shitty pretend faggot I read about when I was a kid because I'm incapable of intellectual development."

Any little faggot who WILLINGLY pollutes their mind reading trash just because it's got a character in it should unironically be rounded up and gassed. Their anti-intellectual bullshit has been dragging down comic books and feeding the Big 2 for fucking and killing comics.

Indie comic fans don't have characterfags since unlike Big 2 shitters indie comics have endings. Every good writer goes indie after they toil in the Big 2 slave pits and the ones that don't go indie are the fanfic faggots who have no talent.

Plus Big 2 niggers are the ones always starting faggy pissing matches with each other. If I owned a comics shop I'd refuse to sell to anybody who didn't buy an equal number of marvel and DC. If you're going to read trash at least do us all a favor and eat all the trash so the actual smart people don't have to listen to your faggotry

Well yes. Or you can leaven your comics with manga if you want long stories that actually go places.
But companyfags are the absolute worst.

some good shuffling of writers and ideas. Plus Tom King

Ideas.

Stupid people talk about people (characterfags)
Average people talk about things (events)
Smart people talk about ideas

>Great art
>Rucka is back

Take all my money DC!

Probably reading everything except RHatO and TT.

>thinking people who only read events are worth anything

I guarantee you don't read comics at all.

>that atrocious issue with Hal, Guy and Barry.
Man that issue still makes me mad

I'm going to give HJGLC a shot because I want to see if eggs and the general Rebirth mandate help improve things at all probably not though

Batman and Deathstroke the most.

There's a bunch that sound interesting though, and Young Animal sounds really good. We're getting a few more titles post rebirth though, right?

Excited for the new approach to writing dreading the special itself

Its an adaptation from a quote. I think it was origional said by aldus huxley

Does it matter where it's from? It's still completely wrong.

Batman, Deathstroke and Ostrander's Suicide Squad mini, but I'll also definitely be checking out Nightwing, Supergirl and the other Suicide Squad titles.

>Are you gonna cop that Rebirth issue on this Wednesday?

Yep. 80 pages for 2.99 is just too good a deal, especially with Johns writing, the artists involved, and the good reviews trickling out.

>specific series

I'll read pretty much anything besides a few books. My most hyped things are:

* Batman -- King writing = insta-sold. Finch's art (which is what we'll be seeing for 3 months) is serviceable, too, particularly on male characters.
* The Flash -- Williamson was already enough of a draw, but the Rebirth elements are damn intriguing
* Wonder Woman -- Sharp+Scott= insta-sold; Rucka following Rebirth rules might be cool, too
* Green Arrow -- because here's hoping Percy will improve... And I think the reintroduction of Black Canary will definitely aid the book
* Batgirl -- Larson's shown a lot of versatility in writing for various audiences, and it'll be interesting to see exactly what her run entails, especially since Batgirl is one of Mark Doyle's most championed series. Plus, she's a fundamentally decent writer; Rafael Albuquerque is nothing to sneeze at, either
* New Super-Man -- I've said this before, but I think it's the DC book that Yang was meant to write: Chinese, big superpowers, unrestricted by most/all other DCU events, etc. I think his mainline Superman run had a lot of restrictions placed on him, but from the little bits of weirdness that came out of that book (Superman in a fight club!?!?), this new series has me hyped.

What do you think Orlando's other book will be? JSA?

Hopefully.

If they kill off New52 Superman, I'm off for good. I got into comics after I found out about the Superman/Wonder Woman thing. I never liked the BatxWondy shit that Bruce Timm pushed and now it seems like DC's going towards that again.

Pretty sure Wondie's going back to Steve

I'd assume so.

In fact, I had a theory that the "JLA"/"Justice League America" book that was mentioned in the March Rebirth announcement is actually a JSA book and will be titled as such.

Well that'd be better than pairing him with fucking Batman. That motherfucker's got his dick wet in every pussy in DC.

I'll still drop DC if they kill New52 Superman.

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fixed that for you

A JSA thing with members from different eras? Or maybe a rotating team up cast like Parker's JLU was

No, and if you are genuinely excited you might want to do some serious introspection and look up Stockholm Syndrome.

*tips fedora*

>Opens wide centimeters away from DC's gaping asshole and licks lips

mouseketeer pls

>started reading New 52 Superman just because he was fucking Wonder Woman
>liking the worst thing DC has ever done

holy shit you need to drink bleach

good, we don't need trash like you

>Action Comics
>Batman Beyond
They both are hampered by fucking Dan Jurgens

>Aquaman
>Superman
Might be cool

>Batman
Will be cool

>Detective
Tynion is decent I guess

>Flash
Hell yeah

>Green Lanterns
Not coming within 1,000 miles of a Humphries book

>WW
Hype

>Hal Jordan and the GLC
Venditti's run was really boring so I don't get why DC retained him

>JL
I liked Hitch JLA so this is interesting

>Nightwing
Sure, I like Seeley

>Green Arrow
>Teen Titans
Percy is hit and miss so I'll wait for reviews

>Deathstroke
Oh fuck yes, possibly best book of Rebirth

>Harley Quinn
whatever, I'm no HQ fanboy

>Suicide Squad
Jim Lee? No please

>Titans
I like everything about it except >Booth

>Batgirl
>Batgirl and the BoP
>Cyborg
Haven't heard of these writers before so not sure what to expect

>Hellblazer
Yes! Moritat is extremely underrated

>Red Hood
This is STILL going on? baka senpai

>New Super-Man
Interesting premise

>AS Batman
That's one hell of a murderer's row of artists. Hope Snyder gets back to quality

>Blue Beetle
Giffen and Kolins = sold

>Emanuela Lupacchino Supergirl
My dick...

>Superwoman
I like Jimenez

>Trinity
Manapul art is the pro but Manapul writing is the con

>Super Sons
Will wait for creative announcement

I don't live in the US, how can I pre-order the Rebirth comic? I could maybe buy several others depending on the shipping fees

My collection, and most of what I read, centers around high concept superhero shit and select indie books. I like big sci-fi stories with metatextual concepts and psychedelic mindfuckery. Also comics related to music, and just about anything by Morrison.

The only character I'm a fag for is Damien Wayne. I collect the events that deal with the multiverse, and I have a soft spot for Batman elseworlds.

>I liked Hitch JLA so this is interesting
Hitch is hit and miss nowadays and past his prime.

At this point it's just buying rather than preordering since it's almost out. You could look into seeing if there are comic shops with American stuff in your country. TFAW also ships overseas I think?

I'm gonna try everything with a six issue try like i did with the new 52, and then drop accordingly from there

Goodbye, newfag.

>tfw Morrison's great AC run is now null and void
Thanks, Johns.

>is /co excited for DC's Rebirth?

Hell no. This Watchman bullshit is the stupidest thing DC has ever done.

>muh metacommentary

Comic Vine interview with Geoff Johns on Rebirth:

>>Comic Vine: First question, why Rebirth? Why was now the right time for this whole thing?

>Geoff Johns: Well, it really started with a conversation with Dan [DiDio] and Jim [Lee] when they decided that they were going to end the titles at number 52. I thought that was clever, but they wanted to relaunch everything again. I think it was probably the reaction that a lot of people had was, "Why? How? What does that mean?" I didn't really think we could do another reboot, which they assured me they didn't want to do that, but at the same time there had to be a reason for it all. Like, what are we doing? Then they used the name Rebirth and knew that it meant something to me both personally and formatically so I asked them to give me some time to think about it. I came up with some ideas and pitched them, and it came together organically because I don't think it's ... I don't know I guess some people would say, "Why would you point out things that you think are missing from the comics?" and "Why would you address that?" To me, I'm like, why wouldn't you?

>Why wouldn't we ... If we're going to do a hard look at the books, why wouldn't we look at everything that we think is great and everything that is missing, that we think we lost throughout the last few years? There's some great stuff and there's some stuff that, as a hardcore DC fan, I miss and I think other people miss. How do we take all of it like we've done in Rebirth in the past and build off of what I think is the greatest comic book universe out there? The only way I could do that was by utilizing everything. I don't believe in throwing stuff away, I just believe in putting as many toys on the shelf and letting creators and other people get in there and tell great stories and add to the mythos. We should march this universe forward. I think the only way to march this forward is by addition not subtraction.

>>Did you basically take a blank slate and write where you felt some of the characters need to go?

>Yeah, I did what I'd done on titles of the past. If I was going to step in and talk to everybody about Rebirth and the dramatic of Rebirth, as I have ad nauseam, hope and optimism are the core values of DC universe. That had to be front and center above anything else. I really want to analyze and look at why I think hope and optimism escape people, both in our comic books and also just in the world. I think hope and optimism are two things that are undervalued and maybe not as prevalent as I think they should be.

>That thematic was where it started and then from there it really came to what character and characters embody that and embody the other aspects of the DC universe that are vital to it. Things like legacy and cosmic grand operas are the epic story telling of DC, the stories that swoop across the universe. We have stories that say something about us and comics and everything else. That was the goal, to really explore all that. It came down, at the end of the day, when I started to zero in on it, it had to be an emotional story about one character in particular. Emotional story telling is why people engage in these characters.

>>Some of the characters you're returning to their legacy, bringing back those missing elements, but other characters, like Wonder Woman, you're kind of adding to that. Did you just go on a case by case basis to decide what was needed by each character?

>Jurgens on AC
>King on Batman
Excellent

>There's the Rebirth special and then there's other aspects of the DC universe, like I came in and spoke with the editors and the writers just about character and tonal direction. There's certain story aspects that came up, like Tom King, Tom has a great story coming up [in Batman]. It introduces some great characters and I'm like, "Oh, I'd love to hint at that in the book." There's a really interesting story in Hellblazer where Constantine and Swamp Thing are reluctantly teamed up to try and save Abby Arcane from the darkness that she's fallen into. There are a lot of storyline that, for me, are coming out of the organic and thematics of the special, of reconnecting those emotional bonds with characters, of introducing new ideas and legacy. As that formed, that stuff became a part of the special.

>I really want the special to be one of those giant books where people sit down, read it, are shocked, and feel something. I want them to be excited and feel like, "Wow, I just read a DC universe story." It's something that touches every corner of the DC universe and some of the big characters, like Batman, and others with lesser characters or forgotten characters or new characters, whether it be Jessica Cruz, or Jackson Hyde, or Damian Wayne.

>>Now, with your new position at DC films, how involved will you be with the Rebirth titles and stories?

>Well, Dan and Jim run editorial, I never have run editorial, I just write my books. I helped talk about the foundation of this, but it's really in the hands of the editors and the creators. You have a direction, but they're telling their stories and doing their titles. It's in great hands, you have people like Tom King and writers like Julie and Shawna Benson on Birds of Prey, Steve Orlando, Joshua Williamson on Flash. There's a lot of terrific, Peter Tomasi of course, there's a lot of terrific writers both new to DC and also core to DC working on these books. I'm excited to read these as a fan now, and see what they do.

>>>Now we'll get into the spoiler section.

>>Why did you choose Wally as the main character in this story, in this special?

>There's no single character in the DC universe that represents legacy, hope, and optimism as well as Wally West does. He's been my favorite character since I was a kid. I grew up reading Wally West and the Flash, and the whole reason that change comes in the DC universe is always led by a Flash story. Showcase #4, Crisis on Infinite Earths when Barry died, Flashpoint when Barry was back and the universe changed again. It just felt ... Everything fell into place very quickly, he was the representative of everything I thought was missing, and again, you need a Flash on the forefront, it just feels natural to have a Flash on the forefront of change in the DC universe.

>>Now, we have two separate Wally Wests now, who are cousins is this part of what you said before about not throwing things away?

>Yeah, I think there's ... It's a universe, a multiverse and there's no reason to put characters on the shelf. I think everyone should have access to any character they want to play with. That's what is so great about comics, so many characters have died, but they always come back because people love these characters.

>I feel like a lot of times there's two modes of comic books, there's tearing things down and building things up. Building things up is much more fun. Bringing the Green Lantern Corps back front and center and then adding mythology on top of that, I find is a much more exciting direction to watch than the destruction of an entire world or the contraction of mythology. It has to be an expansion, that's the whole point of this. You build on what's come before and try and add some things that people can build on later. That's what a living breathing organic DC universe should be doing. The greatest creators add thing that survive the test of time. That process continues.

>>Now as far as characters who don't have their own titles like Saturn Girl and the Two Atoms, will we just have to keep an eye out and they're just going to pop up in different books?

>Yeah, there are some story lines that have been planted that are very long term. There are some that are followed up immediately. To me, that's the fun of the multiple organic story tellings. You get to watch things unfold throughout the universe. So, yeah you'll have to keep your eyes open. I'm sure they won't be shy about pointing you in the direction of those stories when they start to come out.

>>Is this the last we're going to see of Pandora?

>Yes, it is. Unless someone has a story down the line [laughs], but for me she represented that New 52 era. I think by having a character like that at the end, and Ray Fawkes did a really good job with this, but to have a character like that, she learned to embrace hope. Someone who had released all the evils on the world eventually began to embrace and live by hope. Hope is the most powerful fundamental force in the DC universe.

>>Okay, the big surprise villain at the end, if you want to call it a villain...

>I wouldn't call it a villain, call it more of a presence.

>>What made you go this route?

>Well, you'd have to read the book, I don't want to totally spoil it. I would just say for everyone who hasn't read the book, and I know spoilers are getting out there online and I hope people who want to read them are reading them, but I hope people who want to save the book and take it all in wait on surprise. I would just say, thematically and logically, once you read the book, it makes a lot of sense. We're exploring a very big theme in that book. That theme is the power of optimism and the power of hope and how no matter what you do it will shine through if you try and help it shine through. That's the reason it was chosen. Again, the subtleties and the nuances of it, you'll have to read.

>>All right, I think I know the answer to this, but as you mentioned being now like a comic fan reading since you're kind of stepping back, what are you most excited to see develop from here?

>I'm just really excited about seeing all of the characters develop because we talk so much about character. All I care about is character. What James Tynion IV is doing on Detective Comics by exploring those characters. What's going to happen to the Teen Titans, the corner of the Green Lantern universe, and Flash of course. There's just some great exciting stories coming up. I'm excited by books like Deathstroke with Christopher Priest. I think it's just an exciting time because we ... This is because I've spent so much time talking about character with everybody, and everyone is making sure that this is all character driven because it's about character first, it's about telling first and building the DC universe and celebrating it. There's a lot of books I'm excited to read. When the time is right, I'll be excited to come back in and do another story.

>>Is there any characters that we should keep an eye on that might not be obvious at this point?

>No, I'd say I think you're going to probably see ... You're probably going to see people follow the Titans book and Flash maybe more than they would after they read the special.

Knowing that that is Manhattan's hand really cheapens that cover.

how come no one is asking johns about the 3 jokers?

It's called leak for reason.

Ha it is Saturn Girl?

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