Besides nuking Japan, was Truman a good President?

Besides nuking Japan, was Truman a good President?

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>Besides nuking Japan

Nuking Japan was the best thing he did. It was the right thing to do.

Globalist, jew dick sucking piece of shit, like all your jewish puppets

The berlin airlift?

But was it a good thing? No it wasn't. The same people who produced anime and Godzilla.

This.

Japan was threatening to fight down to their last man.

We proved instantly that if it came to that, we had the will and capability to kill every last Japanese man, woman and child.

Saved more of their lives in the long run.

It was a good thing. It demonstrated before the world that we will not be fucked with and are willing to go nuclear to prove it. You sound like a nu-male bitch.

Fuck anime and godzilla.

>kill civllians
>hey it won war faster

>besides nuking Japan

That was the only good thing he did.

kill yourself.

Kill yourself.

the firebombings on tokyo were worse than both nukes combined.

Eat a dick, weeb. Japanese lives are not equivalent to American lives. Cry more.

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>drop nuke
>Japan doesn't surrender
>drop another nuke
>Japan doesn't surrender
>a week goes by
>Japan still fighting
>the Soviet Union declares war on Japan and invades China
>Japan surrenders

>it was clearly the nukes

The Japanese had been asking for surrender terms that included the preservation of the Emperor for months by August 1945. They kept getting the answer UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER LOL, so they kept fighting.

Once the Soviets invaded, and the Japanese realized a) the Russians don't give a shit about casualties and b) they would execute the Emperor and set up a Communist dictatorship, they realized their only hope of preserving the Emperor system was to throw themselves on the mercy of the Americans, and they surrendered then.

Check the dates.

those people fucking suck and should kill themselves

>muh anime
>muh japan

anime needs to stop

Us American lives are nothing to the great Russia

Russian lives are as disposable as bullets, as the Soviets showed.

Russians are dirt eating peasants.

According to (((them))) they are

Soviets invaded before Nagasaki, familia.

anime retard spotted

cry more about your kiddy cartoons bitch

go die to starvation and famine kike.

USA should not be fucking with other countries, USA should not have helped anyone in WW2 or WW1, USA did not belong in the pacific.

>Besides nuking Japan
I'd say we didn't nuke'em enough.

Nuking was breddy cool

I should probably mention that I watched Truman's documentary from HBO 1995, and I enjoyed it.

Anything superficial or exaggerated that one found in it, or was it very accurate?

Sound like great guys.

Then Germany did nothing wrong or Japan.

>Moreover, the enemy now possesses a new and terrible weapon with the power to destroy many innocent lives and do incalculable damage. Should we continue to fight, not only would it result in an ultimate collapse and obliteration of the Japanese nation, but also it would lead to the total extinction of human civilization.

>Such being the case, how are We to save the millions of Our subjects, or to atone Ourselves before the hallowed spirits of Our Imperial Ancestors? This is the reason why We have ordered the acceptance of the provisions of the Joint Declaration of the Powers. -Emperor Hiirohito, capitulation announcement, August 14, 1945

Suck my 8" american cock, hanzo. japan lost the war. Fucking deal with it.

>literally wanting to preserve your heritage and culture and people from being exterminated by ZOG
Sorry, USA was the bad guy.

>besides nuking Japan
Yeah, because it would have been way better to send thousands of young American soldiers to die in Japan.

Kill yourself nigger, every Aryan supports the Japanese in that struggle between a multi racial babylonian empire and the peoples struggle for existence.

>Slanty eyed shitskins attack and kill thousands of white men
>Little race traitor tryhard plastic nazi tries to pretend this is okay

You're really just a punk bitch you know.

They wouldn't be doing either of those things if they hadn't been nuked.

You want to fight them send fighters, you don't then send peace, don't nuke children and people like me and you, it's a fucking crime.

>Jap ass-covering

If they were scared of the nukes, they would've surrendered right after Nagasaki. Instead, they surrendered once it became clear Joe Stalin was going to hoist the Hammer and Sickle over the palace at Kyoto and execute the Imperial family.

>Slanty eyed shitskins attack and kill thousands of white men
2 battleships totally lost
2 battleships sunk and recovered
3 battleships damaged
1 battleship grounded
2 other ships sunk[nb 2]
3 cruisers damaged[nb 3]
3 destroyers damaged
3 other ships damaged
188 aircraft destroyed
159[3] aircraft damaged
2,403 killed
1,178 wounded[4][5] 4 midget submarines
Civilian casualties
68 killed[7][8]
35 wounded[4]
3 aircraft shot down
It was a military attack to get USA out of the pacific.

>Told reporter he would beat the shit out of him for making fun of his daughter
6/10 President
10/10 Dad

Call it whatever you want. It was shitskins killing whites.

Pussies like you will NEVER be in charge.

Nuking Japan created Godzilla fag. Its how he is created in the first movie.

>m-muh honorary aryans
>m-muh animays
Weebs like you are the entire reason why nobody takes Sup Forums seriously.

>it's a fucking crime
The real crime is that your parents didn't see fit to abort you when they had the chance.

>support negro-Jew-injun state
>support racial puritist state of Japan
The choice is simple to the nationalist, death to Babylonians.

It was the "twin shocks" of both events, dipshit. Hirohito himself even pointed this out in his capitulation announcement. You're disagreeing with your hallowed emperor, you weeb shit.

>they attacked the state! they are an enemy to me!
Are you a nigger?

Some of you are so insanely brainwashed

>nuke civillians
m-my history teachers said it was a good thing

>Besides nuking Japan

>Implying that was a bad thing
>Implying it shouldn't be nuked again
You anime fags are pathetic.

If soviet union conquered the USA nothing would change, you would still have a state you retarded nitwit.

No. But you sure are, user.

Not an argument. You're trying to be a good little NatSoc, but you just come off as a beta bitch weeb.

I bet you think Jap internment was "wrong". You'd probably be some little faggot sitting outside the barbed wire bringing them sushi to eat if you were alive back then.

Kill yourself nigger, anyone that fights for the tower of babel state deserves death.

I would support sending them to Japan and allying with them as I am not a kike slave.

Look, it started way before that.
Colonial imperialism lead up to the call for various countries including China to call upon the US after Japan was going to invade them, this was before war broke out in Europe.
The US wasn't interested in war, it didn't have the public support, the general attitude was that of "why should we care, problems at the far side of the world do not concern us".
The EU still wartorn from WW1 wasn't interested to help either.
Thus without backing of the west Japan invaded China and surrounding Islands which caused 2 nukes to be dropped in the end

godzilla was inspired by nuclear catastrophe

>me
>liking Japs

jej

>the "twin shocks"

Well, they didn't surrender after the first nuke, or the second nuke, and kept on fighting right until Uncle Joe started getting ready to land a couple million muzhiks in Tokyo Bay. And, as someone else pointed out here, both nukes were nowhere near as bad as the firebombing of Tokyo.

The US Strategic Bombing Survey in Japan, in 1946, came to the same conclusion -- the Japanese would've surrendered anyway, without nukes or an invasion. MacArthur said it was militarily unnecessary. Eisenhower was against it at the time, since everyone at the top knew the Japs were trying to surrender.

The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace. The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military point of view, in the defeat of Japan.
—Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the U.S. Pacific Fleet,

The atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all.
—Major General Curtis LeMay, XXI Bomber Command, September 1945

>being this anally devastated that you had to reply to my post twice
>being this rectal ravaged that your only excuse of a refutation is a half-baked stormfag ideology of jewish interference
>still can't explain why nuking a bunch of yellow island monkeys was a bad thing
Stay mad cunt.

The twin shocks of Russia breaking the pact and the nukes, not the fact that there were two nukes, you uneducated nitwit.

>Quoting Nimitz

For fuck's sake. Read Hirohito's speech. Was Hirohito lying? Did he get subverted by the Jews?

>supporting a state that gives rights of niggers over white men
End yourself, WW2 was a mistake.

Babylonian states don't exist, the regime of 1943 was not American.

>WW2 was a mistake.
What a coincidence. Your parents said the same thing, but of you.

Only a 100% European citizenship state in the USA is American everything else is null and void.

No I think it was a good thing I'm just wondering what other based things he did or performed on

He started the cold war, or at least the US' part in it
>Well the CIA did under wraps without FDR knowing due to the Red influence in the State Department

He looked found out about the CIA's secret plans, e.g. Operation Paperclip, and under the condition they don't fuck with him, let them operate and expand as need be.

He went in to Korea- which was bloody but IMO necessary- and didn't want to let MacArthur go too far and potentially cause a third world war.

All the other shit- supposed corruption, civil rights, labor disagreements- fucking nothings in comparison to ending the War in the Pacific, being the first Cold War President, and kicking off the Korean War. They were tough new times and he got the country through them for the most part okay.

>Was Hirohito lying?

Of course he was lying. Surrendering because you don't want to get shot by Stalin, after having promised a glorious battle to the end, is pretty embarrassing.

Surrendering to prevent the continued use of a world-ending weapon against an innocent population is almost pretty noble-sounding.

>how dare you quote the guys who were actually involved in the decision, and military men, as opposed to politicians!

from wikipedia:

Ward Wilson wrote that "after Nagasaki was bombed only four major cities remained which could readily have been hit with atomic weapons", and that the Japanese Supreme Council did not bother to convene after the atomic bombings because they were barely more destructive than previous bombings. He wrote that instead, the Soviet declaration of war and invasion of Manchuria and Sakhalin Island removed Japan's last diplomatic and military options for negotiating a conditional surrender, and this is what prompted Japan's surrender. He wrote that attributing Japan's surrender to a "miracle weapon", instead of start of the Russian invasion, saved face for Japan and enhanced the United States' world standing.

>Besides nuking Japan
After nuking them, he could have had every thing else he did go wrong and he still would be considered a major success.

God tr1ps confirm the tower of babel must fall.

My grandpa fucking HATED Truman with a passion, but was an extremely loyal Democrat who loved FDR. Always called him "Hairy Ass Truman" every time he brought his name up.

He also hated the Japanese, though, so I'm sure he at least liked the bombings.

Let me get this straight.
>I am angry the Japanese were a conflicting interest to this regime and state that I am under the jurisdiction of
>I am glad we killed them so this state could dominate
>never mind that I could be part of any state in the world and there would be conflict with my reasoning on governing entities
pre-internet people are simply propaganda drones.
>

If you actually knew a thing or two about Godzilla he was inspired by the nuclear bombs.

>would be no*

>be 17 year old in English class
>get drafted
>"Sorry, but we can't kill those civilians, so we'll send you conscripted civilians to invade, and there will be no japanese civilian deaths in this massive attack"
>this is what ex convict koalatards actually believe

Conscripts aren't civilians, they are soldiers recruited by the state to die for the interests of politicians and businesses.

Did your grandfather have IWW membership?

He seems like the type of guy who walked right up to the door of socialism, but didn't want to wave the red and black, so trumpeted the New Deal, strong unions, and the CWA to be politically correct.

Once Truman got in, liberalized the markets a bit, kicked out the Reds in the government, and started playing hardball with the Soviets, a lot of the 'progressives' sheared off the Democratic party.

The part where they say Truman never actually authorized the nuke to be dropped either time got my attention. The Generals did it on their own, until Truman put the brakes on them so he could figure out the post war.

Good work missing the point

youtube.com/watch?v=BmIBbcxseXM

Please debate any point made in this video

>I am angry the Japanese were a conflicting interest to this regime and state that I am under the jurisdiction of

Yes.

>I am glad we killed them so this state could dominate

Yes, and that it didn't fall under the influence of a more dangerous state. Even someone with no nationalistic or patriotic tendencies would have supported this on an existential basis.

>never mind that I could be part of any state in the world and there would be conflict with my reasoning on governing entities

Before 1965, people were far more rooted to their place of origin, even in a fairly young country relatively full of immigrants like the US.

You go to or inherited a land for the purpose of rooting yourself and descendants, and do so in the hopes that the land can prosper and maintain itself centuries into the future. This was something that was accepted from the time humans settled down into small villages to the height of empires.

I remember being an edgy anarchist btw.
>lel there is no connection between the Nation and the society that dwells within it

>lel there is no connection between the Nation and the society that dwells within it
There is none, everyone in the world could move in and be United States by your idiotic definition of a non entity.

Japan was USA, prove to me this guy didn't have USA citizenship.

We aren't arguing about the land where you reside in, we are talking of the state you are under the jurisdiction of, Japan didn't attack where you lived.

Yep. Don't forget that he was a 33rd degree Mason, who just so happened to be the 33rd president.

>Everyone in the world could move in and be United States
Not everyone is compatible in and with the United States, just as not everyone is compatible in and with Saudi Arabia.

The framers of the US intended a different society and lifestyle for their descendants and their guests than did the framers of Saudi Arabia.

Everyone in the world can move in the USA and obtain citizenship anything preventing this is completely arbitrary.

>3 rapid fire shit responses.

Wew the autism

What a stupid post

Go ahead and give me your non arbitrary reason why everyone in the world isn't an "American".

You give your fellow leaf brothers a good name. I'm waiting to see what sort of pathetic response user can come up with.

Whoever criticizes him should look into the open Communist he replaced. Truman was an accident who turned out better than expected.

They attacked my countrymen- people I have a greater degree of connection with than those from another country, especially before globalization took hold as a big thing.

If I were a complete psychopath that looked at it only from the monetary perspective, they put trade in peril, from the Pacific Fleet's ability to project force to protect US interests to making Pacific trade a chaotic endeavor in general.


If I were a 'citizen of the world' and looking at this from an ethical perspective, I would want Japan's regime of self-extinction and imperialism to end, and instead of going from the pan into the oven by letting it fall under Soviet control, would rather it fall under US protection, evolving into a secular market democracy.

Stop giving this fake notion like the japs were innocent and begging for surrender. Japs weren't asking for surrender, they were asking for a armistice. They wanted to surrender on their own terms and keep the land they invaded, but we wanted complete and total surrender.

Japan refused, so we bombed them.

You revisionist fucks need to fuck off.

>They attacked my countrymen
They were simply your countrymen who haven't yet been educated.

>we wanted
What is the we?
The state you are under jurisdiction of?
You could be a state under the jurisdiction of Germany or Japan, it would change nothing.

America was interested in war.

We were pretending to be a neutral country in the beginning of WW2 but were already helping Britain spy and attack German naval activity.

Even American banks were taking sides in WW2.

theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

Pearl Harbor was just a convenient excuse.

>countrymen
>those who share the same government
Good to know you welcome your Soviet countrymen when Soviet Union annexes USA.

Centuries ago in the age of conquest, there was more land available for the taking.

Populations were more disparate and their societies distinct.


In this age, lands were conquered, homesteaded, and/or colonized to set up systems of culture and governance most in line with that population's values, for their descendants.

Asian, African, and European nations, as expected, turned out different from each other centuries later.

During this age of conquest, a subset of Europeans conquered the Americas. The English warred with and defeated, conquered, or bought out the Natives and other Europeans. A society was set up, and later a government, representing their values, for their descendants.

We were always Britain's ally, we fought for the Allies (briefly) in WWI no surprise we backed them finanacially and economically for the start of WW2. The big decision in the public at the time was; fight and spill blood or keep financing but no troops overseas.

It was Roosevelt who wanted a Europe first policy, the American public even for months after Pearl Harbor only wanted to fight Japan and Japan only. Hitler was an idiot and declared war and gave legal right to boots on the ground.

Of course bankers made money. We also had war profiteers off the German side over here too. Kodak, Chase, Fucking Nestle, Standard Oil, Coke all of these companies funded and made money off the German state and Government during the war. Wow companies make money.

>Europeans founded a state for Europeans
Correct, this is the only nation of the USA, Whites.

What the fuck are you going on about m8?

Either the world is American or America is a state of Europeans.