ITT: antagonists who did nothing wrong

ITT: antagonists who did nothing wrong

stay mad rorschachfags :^)

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He tried to cross a magic parted sea.

he should have hired better workers, maybe the kind that don't go spreading genocide wherever they go because the magic "blaze it faggot" bush told them so

Right. Because slavery is totes cool, you guys.

Did you read the bible?

He was trying to overthrow the most dangerous dictator in the universe. Dude's a hero.

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>slavery

>slaves in Egypt
Keep sucking that Liberal public school teat

In the context of the movie, are you implying the Hebrews weren't slaves?

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It wasn't his fault, God "hardened his heart".
No shit, that's straight out of the actual bible.

Well, the movie Prime is antagonized by the fandom too

We are going with what happened in the movie, dumbass.

Well, he obviously didn't want to destabilize the economy of the kingdom under his rule, his subjects well being was his priority

There, that's the spirit!

yeah, when he killed everyone's babies that was the last time I could empathize with him

oh wait :^)

They dont teach that in school you knee jerking Sup Forumscuck. Now get the fuck off my board.

Slavery accomplished a lot of things.

that wasn't him, it was his father, numbnuts

>Ramses' father kills all da babies
>Ramses is the bad guy.

>God kills the firstborn children in a show of power.
>???

>implying that god isnt the real antagonist

>hey stop this shit I already did multiple plagues to get my point across
>fuk u
>Aren't you a cheeky fucker I'm going to kill your son then

>Endorsed slavery
>Did things that literally went against the will of an obviously real and powerful God
>Refused to save his own people from the plagues because "muh pride"
>Gambles with the lives of his subjects and family because he wants to get in a pissing match with a force that literally made it rain fucking frogs
>Was warned bad shit would happen, laughed it off, acted surprised when bad shit happened
>Leads his soldiers into the middle of the fucking sea like a fucking idiot, like God WOULDN'T just drown the lot of them once the Jews escaped
He wasn't EVIL evil, but he was a stupid dickhead who didn't do good things.

Yeah, that's kinda bullshit.
Ramses wasn't good, but it makes it sound like God really just wanted to kill some Egyptian kids.

Depending on your reading, God was still trying to make a point so he didn't let him let the slaves go. OR it was Ra who made his heart hard so not Yahweh's fault. OR if you want to go a really round about way God made him a hard in the sense he created him with a hard heart.

>Locusts have eaten the crops, frogs are falling from the sky, the river has turned to blood, it's raining fire
>Now apparently a bunch of kids are gonna die
>"B-but, the economy!"

That was pretty dumb. Like, why would your enemies God keep the water up for you?

Sounds just like real life.

like most heads of state?

>Ra was the one who hardened his heart and doomed them all
Holy shit that's a cool interpretation.
Can we get a re-write of the Bible where the spread of Christianity is represented by tales where Yahweh literally defeats the deities of other faiths in challenges of strength and wits?

So god purposely turned Ramses into a monster so as to justify the slaying of innocent children.

>implying false gods like ra have any real power

I mean I guess, just a lot more obviously anti-Jew than usual.

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Exodus 9:12
New International Version
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart and he would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said to Moses.

New Living Translation
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and just as the LORD had predicted to Moses, Pharaoh refused to listen.

English Standard Version
But the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he did not listen to them, as the LORD had spoken to Moses.

New American Standard Bible
And the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not listen to them, just as the LORD had spoken to Moses.

King James Bible
And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart and he did not listen to them, as the LORD had told Moses.

International Standard Version
The LORD made Pharaoh's heart stubborn so that he would not listen to them, just as the LORD had told Moses.

NET Bible
But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, and he did not listen to them, just as the LORD had predicted to Moses.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
But the LORD made Pharaoh stubborn, so he wouldn't listen to Moses and Aaron, as the LORD had predicted to Moses.

JPS Tanakh 1917
And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.

New American Standard 1977
And the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he did not listen to them, just as the LORD had spoken to Moses.

Jubilee Bible 2000
And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he did hearken unto them as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.

King James 2000 Bible
And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had spoken unto Moses.

American King James Version
And the LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh, and he listened not to them; as the LORD had spoken to Moses.

the only thing i think he did wrong was shooting megatron in the chest when he was proposing peace terms

this is actually a colloquialism

like 'god wills it'

it's not meant to imply that god slipped into the pharoah's heart with resin

If God hardened the Pharaoh's heart just so He could kill children, how do we know God didn't make Pharaoh enslave the Jews in the first place?

>Make a prediction that this guy isn't going to listen.
>Rig the guy's mental faculties in Your favor.

What did I tell you, Moses? See, I was right.

They way the 10 commandments are worded, it's could be interpreted that other gods do exist under Christianity. They just aren't to be worshiped because God is the OG.

Perhaps, even, other gods have power.

Actually, another interpretation is that the Pharaoh had hardened his own heart, so God gave him up on him. So there's that.

He was already a monster you dingus. I don't even get why people are even taking that quote literally.

That's what they got for worshiping the Egyptians gods

They do in the hearts of those they lead astray, and it is there they're able to do the most damage.

Hm, I guess that does make sense. I mean, why worry about other gods if they had no power?

>Rimshot

>the LORD
>the LORD
>the LORD
>the LORD
Must not be a very common or literal interpretation of the actual words but, w/e.

or instead of Gods they're entities, like in Hellboy

So just the plot to Shin Megami Tensei? Sure, sign me the fuck up.

Yeah really, what was God's damage with this one?
Like, I wouldn't mind if it was like "GOD WAS PISSED THAT PHARAOH CONSIDERED HIMSELF A DEITY AND PRAISED A SUN BIRD AND A JACKAL MAN INSTEAD OF JEHOVA, SO HE KILLED THEM ALL FOR THEIR TRANSGRESSIONS", that is at least some clear motivation.

But rigging the results like that just doesn't seem kosher.

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Or it could be like that one anime, where gods gain power by being worshipped, so he doesn't want other gods to get stronger than him.

>WE WUZ SLAVES N SHIET
>WE BILT THE PYRAMIDZ

There were slaves in Ancient Egypt, the debate is whether they were used to build the pyramids.

No but I mean LITERALLY, God versus other pantheons.

I wanna see him planning germ warfare with the Spaniards, I wanna see him take on Zeus and all his illicit children.

I want some straight-up Spectre vs Phantom Stranger "ethreal chess match for the fate of man's souls" kinda shit.
Someone make a comic about this, I'd read it.

so, kinda something like SandmanXBacchus ?

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>the debate is whether they were used to build the pyramids.
What's the opposing argument, that aliens did it?

Ancient people were a lot smarter than we give em credit for. Sure, they wiped their asses with their bare hands, but amazing things can be built if you throw enough human suffering at it.

There's evidence hired laborers were used. They even held strikes for better pay

Like, something where God takes as a direct a role in things as he does in Exodus.
>And lo, the Lord delivered a plague of smallpox blankets onto the Indians, who affronted the Lord with their myriad words for snow and their knowledge of croptending

Look for a mango titled El Alamein, for shits and giggles or... DEPPEST LORE?

No.

Slaves make for shitty workers on your master craft.

The pyramids might, MIGHT have used slaved labor to transfer the stones to the construction site, but there were definitely skilled laborers putting everything together.

There were no good guys or bad guys in the old testament. Everyone was a dick and God and his followers were usually the biggest dicks. It seriously reads like a confession.

oy vey

I was referring to god

>God hardened his heart
Fucked from the start

oooooh, either way God gives, God takes

I don't think God even had that power back then. Unless he usually took to changing people's minds through threats, murder, or ridiculous dick moves like getting swallowed by giant whales just for fun.

I didn't say I thought the built the pyramids, I said that's the debate regarding slaves in ancient Egypt.

Although nice opinion la seeing the historical counter argument is peasants.

Also slaves aren't just basic labourers, even in colonial times and especially in antiquity.

Don't you know, user? God can never be wrong.

user, everything that has transpired, that's transpiring, and will transpire, is going all according to His will. So, yes.

Besides, the Jews were fickle back then.
>literally knows they have God watching over them
>does stupid shit all the time like worshipping other gods.

Well....he can't.

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Can God make a chosen people so stupid that even he can't keep them from fucking up without constant supervision?

>miracles happen and Jews still don't believe
It's almost like there were no actual miracles and the hardships the Jews faced were rewritten into moral stories that end in mutha fukken miracles just to get people of later generations to listen to their god damn rabbies.

Old testament god is best god.

How does the smartest man on the planet didn't know humanity couldn't be retarded enough to start an atomic war?

we were in situations just like on that comic, and we're okay, because in the end no one is that stupid.

He killed millions for nothing. He did everything wrong.

Where were you when God was actually an eldritch abomination beyond the reckoning and understanding of Men, who steals the soul of firstborns through a living spacetime vortex?

Reminder that God has casual meetups with the devil, like with Job

We were on a knife edge before and saved by survival instinct. He made it so we wouldn't be on a knife edge for a long time.

I bet humanity could kill God if we put our mind to it.

Yeah he's not really on bad terms with his star pupil.

Reminder heaven probably doesn't even exist and God just made it to stay ahead in the ratings above other gods.

can't remember who said it, but it went like "no one wants to go down in history as the one whop ushed the button"

I'm pretty sure a casual meet up to debate the nature of Man is preferable to a war between the forces of heaven and hell to decide who is superior.

there isn't (as I was taught), when you die there's only sheol, nothingness, the whole afterlife or eternal punishment is AFTER the rapture

I don't remember there ever being a mention of it before the New Testament, so yeah. He probably did. It's really no wonder the jews kept worshiping false idols when the only advantage of being God's chosen people was that he'd get even angrier at them and kill them more often. Granted, he killed the pagans too. But they had the benefit of being ignored unless he had some free time between sessions of being really fucking pissed at the jews.

>casual meet up
with gambling, just to spice it up a little

>all these milkshake captcha
fuck you, where am I going to get one at this bloody hour?

All he wanted to do was return Laputa to its former glory.

Think of all the potential that was robbed from him.

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the fact that he was beaten by a pair of preteen misfits prove he wasn't capable of doing jack shit

>Imblyign
But he's failed me, yet again.

tried to marry a princess from the get go without any courtship

OR, he could just let things work out and no one would be retarded enough to actually do it.

His only mistake was letting them talk.
Aside from that he fooled the entire military AND managed to take down their biggest warship. All in the name of defending the legacy of Laputa, of course, nothing wrong there.

Truly, a King robbed of his kingdom.

Why take the risk?

>Being a hypersensitive, whiteknighting, goony-bearded tumblrtrollop on an Arabian motion pictureboard
Back to >>>/reddit/, you insipid faggot. Keep being le ebin ally; maybe Merkel will grace you with a transsexual, transylvanian concubine to cure you of your permavirginity.