All right Sup Forums. What the fuck is TPP about? And why do I see it all over the DNC?

All right Sup Forums. What the fuck is TPP about? And why do I see it all over the DNC?

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership
publicpolicy.googleblog.com/2016/06/the-trans-pacific-partnership-step.html
youtube.com/watch?v=FhzUGiYeZA4
neweconomicperspectives.org/2016/05/stop-calling-deals-help-ceos-pillage-impunity-free-trade.html
nakedcapitalism.com/2016/06/bill-black-the-lie-that-china-wins-if-the-tpp-kangaroo-tribunals-are-stopped.html
ustr.gov/tpp/
economixcomix.com/home/tpp/
twitter.com/AnonBabble

The DNC talks about it like it's bad because they are pandering to Bernouts but Trump is the only one that can stop it.

A terrible deal that involves a fuckton of countries and essentially weakens trading and strengthens copyright infringement laws. Quality of products and oversea imports will diminish and simply downloading an image file over the internet could leave you being fined. Those are the two biggest issues with it at the moment.

Goodbye net neutrality, companies will have international control over internet content and copyrights. Big pharma becomes even bigger and will control even bigger markets to inflate drug prices and restrict access. "Free" trade means more countries to send our businesses to and outsource to hell.

It's pretty much a fucking nightmare.

Trade Pacific Partnership or something like that. No tariffs on goods imported from Asian islands like Malaysia, similar to what Bill Clinton did with China in the 90s. More cheap plastic crap in America.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Pacific_Partnership

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A bad trade agreement

>in europe
MUUUUUH PIRACY! THOSE PESKY AMERICANS WILL SHUT EVERYTHING DOWN! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUG!!!!

>in the US
muh jaaaawbs

shit, read TTIP

well, point still holds for burgerbros

Google is all about this shit.

publicpolicy.googleblog.com/2016/06/the-trans-pacific-partnership-step.html

fuck google

But for all trade deals the trend usually is:
1. The trade deal increases GDP in both places;
2. A lot of workers and firms gain from it but shut up because they are happy;
3. A lot of consumers gain from it but shut up because they are happy;
4. A lot of workers lose with it and complain to oblivion and are annoying as fuck;
5. Government does not give a fuck about said workers and they all become unemployed for eternity;
6. People complain about 5;
7. People hate the trade deal.

This is usually the pattern. Then there are specifics like copyright, which are not common to all deals.

Someone against the TTP, debate me:

Even if its bad for American workers specifically, it would seem to be a weapon against China economically and is a very powerful step to containing them. Economically isolating China in combination with diplomatically isolating them (they take care of that on their own) is the best way to avoid a WW3 and keep America ahead.

Am I right?

Either way its honestly not going to be stopped. Even Trump wouldn't stop it. Maybe he could delay it a bit but he can't govern the whole country on its own and everything under him will push it in piecemeal if they have to. Any candidate saying they'll stop it is lying.

You know what a good weapon against China would be? A strong American workforce and industrial base

Basically it will benefit corporations at the expense of the people.

That's dodging the question.

Keeping China from developing closer economic ties with its neighbors isolates them. The reverse isolates us. The US still benefits substantially from TPP. The last thing the US needs is a new Iron Curtain for the 2020s.

Completely removes tariffs

>but tariffs are bad because it hurts competition
losing jobs to asians working 16 hour days for pennies on the dollar isn't better

the only one who benefits is the merchant, who will profit from paying less in taxes and in wages

>but those savings will get passed on to us
those industries aren't regulated by us. there's no anti-trust agreements we can enforce. they can collude with 'competitors' to sell their products at whatever price they want

google is a kike behemoth that needs to be slayed. one of the biggest tax avoiders in existence, and have questionable loyalty to this country. they only aid with intelligence gathering because it makes them lots of shekels

All right OP, WTF is google and why can't you use it?

Yeah that's pretty much the argument for trade protectionism rather than free trade
Free trade increases global competition so as long as the US has unskilled labor american workers will always lose from it. There's also sovereignty issues but that really goes beyond trade
But otherwise free trade is generally good

It doesn't matter if it isolates us if we have the money. Buy American, sell to Americans, let the chinks starve to death.

That's an insanely dumb and shortsighted claim. Plus you aren't even trying to refute the argument.

That China will become a economic powerhouse by selling to SE Asia?

They already are a powerhouse by selling to the US. America has more of a GDP than all those shitty little countries put together and we're just funding future competition when we buy their shit. FUCK them. Bring manufacturing back to the states. It'll cost companies more for now but in 50 years America will be nigger rich.

What annoys me about Google is that there is no good reason for it to be successful other than the fact that normies are too stupid to even consider the possibility of alternatives.

There are search engines just as good which no-one uses.

A massive bundly of all sorts of crap: some is good, some is bad, but there's no good reason to try to get it all passed at once.

Individual agreements between countries would be better and the agreement covers way more than free trade, which it shouldn't.

You've got your head in completely the wrong place. We're talking about economic influence. Losing 1 dollar on a 100 dollar deal is irrelevant if it means that China loses the whole 100 dollars AND the economic ties gain us a strategic ally.

Besides, who do you think is going to be the cannon fodder for WW3? Surely not Americans.

If we stop buying from China AND SE Asia all together we take away this "100 dollars" from China still. The only reason we buy from them is because of lax trade agreements allowing US business owners to exploit their nonexistent labor laws. There is not one thing in China that cannot be made in America.

As for strategic allies, we lose there too. We lose defending places like Korea who do nothing for us. Japan has some merit, they actually do have some economic vitality that isn't slave labor.

Trump says he'll bring Apple factories to the states. That's unskilled labor that'll pay $13/hr at least.

When is Sup Forums going to realize that being against trade deals is progressive policy?

Don't want to admit that progressives are right on workers rights and unionizing?

>If we stop buying from China AND SE Asia all together we take away this "100 dollars" from China still.
No, instead China benefits from trading with them. You give them all economic leverage over the region. You might as well let China invade and occupy them.

>As for strategic allies, we lose there too. We lose defending places like Korea who do nothing for us. Japan has some merit, they actually do have some economic vitality that isn't slave labor.
Bullshit, and you're a dumbass if you think this. The USA has always enjoyed and benefited from strong international support when shit gets serious.

>Trump says he'll bring Apple factories to the states. That's unskilled labor that'll pay $13/hr at least.
Trump can't do shit to bring Apple factories back. $13/hr? Apple will happily hire asians at $2 an hour and pay an extra 10% tariff on it.

the selling away of American sovereignty to transnational corporations

Google isn't "just" a search engine, and hasn't been one in ages. They're more like NSA.

Again, SE Asia doesn't have the money we do. Not even fucking close. China will be bleeding money if we switch to domestic manufacturing. The peasants will literally starve. Let them have Tibet. What role does Tibet have being anything but a landing strip in a future war? Taiwan? The Phillipines? Fuck them all. Explain exactly what they do for us, because I don't see it.

As for Apple, try a 50% tariff. Couple that with all these fucking Mexicans gone and unskilled labor opportunity will soar. America first.

>Again, SE Asia doesn't have the money we do.
Yeah, they have the people who work for cheap. That's why free trade works. The US doesn't have people who work cheaply.

>China will be bleeding money if we switch to domestic manufacturing
>As for Apple, try a 50% tariff. Couple that with all these fucking Mexicans gone and unskilled labor opportunity will soar. America first.
This simply won't happen. People in the USA will revolt if Apple phones go up in price 400%, which is about what would need to happen.

Forming an common economic block is the way to decrease reliance on China that is actually feasible. The one thing you are right about is that China will basically implode if their economy doesn't continue to grow. This is the plan of TPP.

>What role does Tibet have being anything but a landing strip in a future war? Taiwan? The Phillipines? Fuck them all. Explain exactly what they do for us, because I don't see it.
What the hell do you think wars are fought with? Do you think we load wads of cash in artillery to fire it at our enemies?

>they have people who work for cheap

Then how does China benefit? China maunfactures, SE Asia manufactures, they sell to us. The TPP ensures this. They're not buying our shit because we don't fucking export anymore. And they're not going to sell to each other in any significant way because they're poor.
People live in dog cages in Beijing.

Americans won't care about paying $50 for a t-shirt if they make $50/hr, which will happen.

There will be no more great wars because the next world War will be the last. Everybody knows this. We don't shoot money at our enemies, fool. We buy bombs and shoot those. Bombs made in America. A potential, possible, maybe military outpost isn't worth selling our ENTIRE domestic market, which is what we've done, which is why the middle class is dissapearing. TPP is just ensuring we'll never export again so the super rich can get super richer.

Also, we owe China trillions, which we could start paying off.

TPP is based, if hate globalization you're a faggot.

>the selling away of American sovereignty to transnational corporations

inb4 you've not been already sold.

It's global fascism being rolled out, one TPP at a time Bulgaria and it won't be pretty for little people. You are little people aren't you?

> blocking is the only think tpp does xd
youtube.com/watch?v=FhzUGiYeZA4

Name one.

>You are little people aren't you?

Yes sir.

Google should be killed. We can do this. I have a plan.

>Then how does China benefit? China maunfactures, SE Asia manufactures, they sell to us. The TPP ensures this.
China benefits from selling to us their cheap labor. SOMEONE has to sell us cheap labor, because consumers aren't willing to pay the 3-5x price everything would cost if manufactured solely by american workers.

At the same time, China wants to become a 1st world country where it is producing the high-price high-skill goods that we produce. This would require it to find a lower-cost labor market to produce goods for it. This would be its neighbors.

>Americans won't care about paying $50 for a t-shirt if they make $50/hr, which will happen.
That's entirely impossible short of massive inflation.

>There will be no more great wars because the next world War will be the last. Everybody knows this. We don't shoot money at our enemies, fool. We buy bombs and shoot those. Bombs made in America.
Not even close. No amount of bombs can effectively replace boots on the ground. Not even nuclear ones.

>Also, we owe China trillions, which we could start paying off.
We don't want to pay off those debts. Our GDP is growing faster than the interest on that debt. Would you pay off your house if the interest rate was 2% and you could get 2.5% somewhere else?

Even if this wasn't the case, the USA is the sole country that can simply print as much money as it wants get away with it. At least, as long as it remains the reserve currency. Which is conditional on having the most economic influence on the world stage.

With TPP, if you mod video games, you will be thrown in Jail.
If you crack a game that you own to remove the DRM so you can actually play the thing when the servers crash on day one. You will be thrown in jail.

The price increase and the wage increase will have to coincide. People won't pay more for an IPhone if they're still making $8/hr. Also, what are these high skill goods we make? If a company can't profit without slave labor then they shouldn't exist. Build here, keep the money here, save on shipping too.

The possible war scenario is not worth sacrificing our domestic manufacturing market but we've already fucking done that. It's not even worth discussing because it's unrealistic.

tpp will be our death

Millions of jobs lost, china overtakes the world economy, net neutrality dead, Monsanto Google Microsoft big pharma fuck us over big time, multinational corps sue the government for profit damage.

1984 cyberpunk dystopia on steroids.

it's gotten really bad though with china shipping lead chip childs toys and tinted food.
micro-shit island X cost of livng is low so they can pay thier working class peanuts, which you can't do here.

name a better search engine, you can't.

>TPP
Treason basically. It gives up sovereignty of the state and places transnational corporation above the state.

Look up Agenda 21. Basically all these trade deals not just the TPP but the TTIP and TISA will merge together to form a world government.

A world government is fallacy. Democracy doesn't exist. The top can do whatever they want with the population without its consent.

When the nation states collapsed, poverty will spill over rich countries and socialism will be the credo despite no middle class to take money from.

>china overtakes the world economy

TPP has been made against China.

duckduckgo, bing image search is x10 more effecient lol

Google is nothing but a data hoarding botnet, unlike smaller search engines relaying sites. Funny how since 08 or 09 only 400 top sites ever appear in the first 2000 pages of Google.

Bump. And don't dare to say duckduck go.

neweconomicperspectives.org/2016/05/stop-calling-deals-help-ceos-pillage-impunity-free-trade.html

TPP is even a trade deal you lying shill.

The death of freedom

duckduck go is literally jew-owned.
Don't believe me? Look it up.

nakedcapitalism.com/2016/06/bill-black-the-lie-that-china-wins-if-the-tpp-kangaroo-tribunals-are-stopped.html

That is just propaganda.

I think I can guarentee that almost nobody in this thread has actually read the text of the TPP.

There's so much misinformation in this thread, do yourself a favour and at least glance at it:

ustr.gov/tpp/

Personally I think it will be a net positive, of course some manufacturing jobs will be lost in countries like Australia and the US, but let's be honest, growing markets in India and SEA and automation is killing those jobs anyway.

For Australia and Canada it will have a significant boost for our farming industry, allowing us to sell dairy and meat products at a significantly lowered cost.

Also it establishes work standards like no child labour and a minimum wage in countries that desperately need to end sweat shops, such as in Vietnam or Thailand.

Really the only negative I consider in it is the extension of copyright laws that will crack down on how foreign nations can use copyrighted materials.

Doesn't it just mean gooks can undercut us even further?

I welcome it to a certain degree there's a heck of a lot of overpaid whities in certain areas who want protectionism for themselves and none for others so they can get a financial advantage. Filthy fucking crim hypocrites.

Okay? that doesn't deflect its functionality. Google is jew tied.

well ... shit.

so this is the exact same thing as the TIPP, but with an Asia-America shit.

well, we are all fucked. what did you guys expect from jews running the world?

we need new distributed and open search engine. can we create kickstarter campaign or something?

GTFO CIA shill, it literally lets corporations sue us into oblivion

searx
StarPage (with family filter turned off)
Qwant (again turn the filter adult content from search results off for better overall results)

economixcomix.com/home/tpp/

Good breakdown to the TPPA

It's about ensuring trade with shit hole Asian countries so china can't have trade.

Basically, nothing will change in those shit hole countries, but rich faggots here will get richer and you and i will get poorer. We will lose jobs. It's "free trade" at it's best. Rich wall streets fags exploiting us is what it is. Big business nonsense. The Republican way.

But hey, phones and computers will be cheaper. So that's a plus.