Germany has a Grundgesetz, not a constitution. . The Grundgesetz is a temporary substitute meant to bring order and peace to an occupied nation.
Prof. Dr. Carlo Schmid said 1948 in his Grundsatz speech in front of the Counsellor of Parliament ,that the Grundgesetz from the allies for the Federal Republic of Germany is NOT founding a state but more an administrative body.
The occupying forces were smart to add article 146 to the Grundgesetz. It says that once unity and freedom is achieved in all of Germany and its people , the Grundgesetz loses its power and gets replaced with a constitution written and voted in by the people to take its place.
What im saying is, that right now Germany is basically not a real state, we had a chance to invoke article 146 after the Berlin Wall fell and Germany was finally united again. So now we are still in the same situation as we were after the war and the occupational forces were still here. We are in this weird floaty state in which we still have the temporary Grundgesetz in power 70 years later.
A constitution is meant to be the highest instance of laws there is. They apply for everybody, no one can ignore them, no one can overrule them, they are the basis of a free nation. Yet here we are with none.
Last time you were a sovereign state 60,000,000 people died
Chase Bennett
bullshit
Jackson Thompson
>Is germany even a sovereign state?
No, ask something new Klaus.
Hope Trumps gets voted and you get rid of Merkel, than maybe you have a chance of getting a constitution and stop being a US occupied colony.
Easton Martinez
>have the temporary Grundgesetz in power 70 years later. There is nothing more permanent than a temporary government program user.
Jacob Hill
ofc not. That's why the established party don't want to give us our constitution even though it states in the Grundgesetz that "the German people should receive their constitution when they are united once again." I guess we have to get back our Ostgebiete.
Juan Lewis
FUCK
okay thanks god bless
why is it bullshit
shit you might have a point
Luke Peterson
No you are not. If you have American military bases in your borders you are not a sovereign state. Sorry, Japan.
Chase Price
three questions
are we allowed to honor out heros? are we allowed to sing the whole national anthem? are we allowed to criticise?
Jose Williams
I mean, you did chimp out against the jews pretty badly last time. I wouldn't be surprised if your temporary government lasted a few more decades.
Jordan Brooks
Hello Reichsbürger-kun. How's your day?
Ryder Turner
When will Merkel not be chancellor? It's ridiculous that she's been in office for almost 12 years.
Juan Davis
correlation does not implying causation
Jaxson Stewart
>are we allowed to honor out heros? which ones? >are we allowed to sing the whole national anthem? i think thats frowned upon >are we allowed to criticise? not really
Juan Baker
The usual. collecting welfare from the state they pretend does not exist.
Joseph Ortiz
thats the fun part about it, we dont have a limit on how many terms one can run for chancellor
Since you were either asleep in class or too young, fucking read this.
Camden Barnes
>sovereign >germany pick one u are political slave last 70 years
James Edwards
Technically yes, Germany is a sovereign state. The Grundgesetz -as Schmid said- served as a tool to make part of the Deutsches Reich functioning again. The Bundesrepublik is partially identical to the Reich. The DDR was also partially identical with the Reich. The Bundesverfassungsgericht ruled as much in the 70s. With the DDR becoming part of the BRD it it is now a historic fact that the BRD is successor to the Reich. the 4+2 treaties serve as a peace treaty and the Eastern parts were ceded to Poland and Russia. So yes, Germany is technically a sovereign country and now identical with the Reich minus the Eastern territories. Then again you could argue that with the UN Feindstaatenklausel merely being obsolete but not lifted, this is not so. Also one could argue with allied troops in the country, Germany is still occupied. Also, with lots of allied Vorbehaltsrechte having become German law, Germany is only a vassal state. A case where de iure and de facto have become the same thing. De facto Germany could be seen as occupied, with allied rights having become German law, it is also de iure occupied. Still, if you only look at international law, it is a sovereign country that willingly submits to allied laws.
Parker Wright
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Brandon Murphy
>Is germany even a sovereign state? no
Charles Myers
God i hate this niggers in germany that claim Germans isnt a real state.
They are annoying, debate over stuff that isnt relevant anymore and are just plain fucked
Charles Gomez
Is it in the EU? It's not a sovereign state.
Oliver Gomez
>Is germany even a sovereign state?
No but I'm personally more concerned about Eastern Germany, because they were sovereign state and went full retard to get united with you.
Parker Jones
ivan knows
Noah Bell
Germany never ceased to be Occupied after the war. The Americans and British still to this day have large garrissons of troops in Germany
Adrian Morgan
schwuchtel
Dominic Howard
Because they're allowed to. What's your point?
Matthew Thomas
God I hate this sandniggers that damage control in every thread.
They are desperate and pray to muhammet 20 times a day hoping the status quo doesn't change and they don't get mass murdered.
Charles Adams
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Liam Barnes
thanks will read
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Nicholas Green
You don't have a constitution because people are most likely used to Grundgesetz
And Germany is a sovereign state and this is why it can conduct its idiotic politics. If Germany was a non-sovereign state it wouldn't kill itself as it is doing now
The problem is in your head, you just have bad ideas and implement them all the time
Adam Nelson
u.k. bringing the bantz
Luke Butler
Read the document you just posted. Article 1 (4) The Governments of the Federal Republic of Germany and the German Democratic Republic shall ensure that the constitution of the united Germany does not contain any provision incompatible with these principles. This applies accordingly to the provisions laid down in the preamble, the second sentence of Article 23, and Article 146 of the Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany.
They are clearly talking about, how we should get a new constitution.
Mason Adams
>A constitution is meant to be the highest instance of laws there is. They apply for everybody, no one can ignore them, no one can overrule them, they are the basis of a free nation.
Calm down kelsen.
Tbh even a strong constitutional tradition can't prevent the oligarchic rule were experiencing in Europe.
In Tha islamic republic of france leftist jurists and corrupt politician have no problem finding a way around glorious Gaulian constitution. We're fucked anyway, and a superficial change in the form of the state won't save us.
Lies dir das bitte durch du Blinddarm Detschlands. Ein Staat definiert sich durch ein Staatsvolk, Staatsterretorium und durch Staatsmacht. Deutschland hat weltweit anerkannte Grenzen, ein Volk in dem jeder deutsche Staatsbürger eine weltweit gültige Identifikationskarte besitzt ( Personalausweiß ) und einen Staatsapperat , der aufbauend auf dem grundgesetzt die exekutive ausführen kann ( Polizei, Beamte, Soldaten ).
Desweiteren wird die BRD als Staat in jedem großem Staatenbund als unabhängiger Staat anerkannt, sei es EU, UN, NATO etc
Charles Morris
uh they are telling us to respect the "constitution" in regards to article 146
wot? and we didnt do it? so all occupational forces said "ok cool, we are done staying in germany, now go build yourself up, also dont forget to write a consitution krauts!" and we didnt fucking do it
Alexander Wright
nice reading skills there senpai
Jason Anderson
> 60.000.000 why sum up all casualities. Why are we the problem for japans china expedition
Gabriel Peterson
we have a constitution. "Grundgesetz" is just the name it was given. The reason fot that name was that it was thought to be short-lived and would be replaced with a new one when germany was unified again. Just like the parliament is called Bundestag instead of Parlament, and still not one of these morons tried to argue that germany has no parliament
Chase Barnes
Literally no
It's a giant jewish colony
Nicholas Jackson
Germany is *not* sovereign.
Proof: They can't stop the US spying within Germany on Germans or the German government.
Adam Young
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Carter Ramirez
>It says that once unity and freedom is achieved in all of Germany Does it look reunited to you?
Sebastian Long
jaja auf Sup Forums rechts sein und afd wählen aber wenn jemand fragen stellt und was über Deutschlands Gesichte lernen will : LOL SCHEISS TINFOIL HAT XDD REICHSBÜRGER RECHTSEXTREMIST LOL SO ALBERN
ich habe keine Verbindung zu irgendwelchen Reichsbürgern und höre von denen zum ersten mal aber Danke das du so fair bist, schmock
Caleb Reed
Yes, the Basic Law was made with the idea to be replaced in the future in mind. Since there was never the need to do so, the Basic Law became the constitution. It is just a different label for the same thing.
Ethan Harris
C-calm down Hans, don't get upset again.
Luke Smith
>this
Ethan Robinson
> we dont have a limit on how many terms one can run for chancellor
Ouch, that really hurts
Nathaniel Taylor
>It is just a different label for the same thing. is there another document like you posted about this thing? that we introduced the Grundgesetz as our constitution?
i know someone tried to invoke article 146 but the bundesgerichtshof has denied the request in 2001 or so
Levi Stewart
>Is germany a sovereign state? It's not, you have american army bases.
David Sanders
Are you in the EU? If the answer is yes, then no.
Bentley Anderson
bad idea u know
Julian Cook
a document does not have to be titled "constitution" in order to be a constituion (just like a document does not have to be titled "contract" to be a contract). "constitution" is a functional term and the document titled "Grundgesetz für die Bundesrepublik Deutschland" fulfills the function of a constitution for Germany, therefore it is Germanys constitution, therefore Germany has a constitution. also germany is objectively largely sovereign, though this is threatened by the encroaching legislative acts of european "law".
Ian Butler
Read the 2+4 Vertrag. Germany's borders since 1991 are the combined borders of the BRD and DDR. When the Grundgesetz was written the Ostgebiete weren't permanently lost.
Luis Jackson
thanks for the input
aber ist es nicht so das wenn du gegen das Grundgesetz verstößt das keinen interessiert und du dafür nicht strafrechtlich verfolgt wirst?
Blake Ortiz
>Germany has a Grundgesetz, not a constitution
The Grundgesetz is the constitution. It doesn't matter what it's called.
Angel Green
No, there is no official document about that since it would be pointless to point out the obvious.
For example there is no official peacy treaty between Germany, the Allied Forces and the Soviet Union, because the "2+4 Vertrag" was acknowledge as such.
Sebastian Davis
the only part of germany that can be considered somewhat sovereign is bavaria. but only in some cases. they technically have the power to oppose laws and make their own. i say technically since no one ever actually does.
bavaria is doing some brave shit though. they want to ban mosques and after the 3 big things that went down(axe guy, mall shooter and bomber) the population is growing restless. its visible too. people are afraid to go out.
germany once was a place where kids could safely play till midnight outside and nothing would ever happen. not anymore. but people are fighting back slowly.
i hope something happens to start the fire.
Isaac Carter
That's because the Bundesländer are sovereign states themselves. The have people, borders and agoverning bodies, also their own constitutions, police forces and whatnot. The only state to constantly point that out is Bavaria though.
Leo Diaz
well bavaria is the only one classified as "Freistaat".
they literally can not give a fuck about some of the overall laws. they dont do though because of scared leaders and fear of the government.
Jason Thompson
It's rather difficult for an individual person to break the Basic Law. It's more meaningful torwards and meant for the legislative to not make laws not in accordance with it.
Asher Fisher
Great Britain has no formal constitution and still is a souvereign state you stupid cuck
Kevin Rogers
also it wasthe based state that voted against the Grundgesetz, also the bavarian constitution was voted for by the people.
Justin Clark
that is not true, sachsen and thueringen are freistaaten to, and it has no legal implication besides that it recogniseses that those territories were soverign states in the past.
Ethan Lewis
Saxony is a free state too I don't think it means shit
Ryan James
Freistaat = Republik
Aaron Parker
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Benjamin Wilson
true
i wonder when the Hanse comes back and claims it cities again
FREE HAMBURG
Oliver Fisher
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Daniel Turner
bullshit, Sachsen and Thüringen too. If you want, Bremen and Hamburg also, Freie Stadt is part of their name
Leo Morgan
Not to forget the "freie Hansestädte" it is only in recognition of their formal position as partly independent enteties of the Reich.
Easton Hall
für verstöße gegen das grundgesetz kannst du nicht strafrechtlich verfolgt werden, sondern nur gegen verstöße gegen das Strafrecht, man kann auch als einzelperson nicht im engeren sinne gegen das grundgesetz "verstoßen" aber sofern die im grundgesetz garantierten grundrechte von anderen eingeschränkt werden kannst du das bverfg mittels verfassungsbeschwerde dazu verpflichten den staat dazu zu verpflichten deine grundrechte zu schützen.
Lincoln Wood
your country doesnt seem very united, maybe when you learn to play with sand-monkeys youll get your constitution back
oh yeah, and you gotta share it with them 50% and treat them like native germans
Levi Cook
The 4+2 contract was basically Germany jewing out the allies to avoid repariations
Evan Morales
Fucking awesome, why didn't they leave the Bund? Could it have to do with being a net recipient of federal money for decades before becoming the Großmäuler of the last 2 decades?
Chase Gray
Das Grundgesetz ist als Verfassung ein Gesetz zur Regelung des Staatswesens. Es umfasst beispielsweise Grundrechte die der Bürger gegenüber dem Staat geltend machen kann, oder Menschenrechte die für alle gelten. Insofern kann nur der Staat Adressat von Maßnahmen aufgrund des GG sein
Luis Gonzalez
this is a good thing. Óðinn needs his soldiers.
We need more of this now. People are lit turning into pussies, because they don't know what war is. Most from this age is gone, I got only two left now still kicking.
Ethan Mitchell
Correct, which probably is also the reason why we still have the GG instead of a new constitution. Still the old borders are gone with that.
Mason Wood
No they're controlled by bankers, swindlers and industrialists who will destroy the country for their own financial gain.
Carson Harris
What? I want the FULL reich!
Jason Barnes
>your country doesnt seem very united Well yeah, that was kinda the idea when you people drew up the Grundgesetz.
Ethan Price
hmm, sehr spannend, als privatperson wird man also nach Strefrecht für freiheitsberaubung belangt, während, sollte der staat ohne rechtliche grundlage ähliches tun, den agierenden staatl. organan verstöße gegen das grundgesetz vorgeworfen werden können, aber nicht den ausführenden beamten oder angestellten?
Isaiah Bell
O-o-okay...
Michael Martinez
Good luck drafting a constitution that has a bill of rights that includes anything meaningful in it.
I can see it now 1st Article in the Declaration of Rights
Muslims have the right to rape and impregnate people's wives
Landon Ortiz
>no sudetenland, memel, or west prussia
Justin Stewart
100% TRUE. Everything in america that is supposed to be temporary lasts decades. That's how the politicians get bullshit pushed through, especially after a crisis. Of course, WWII was an enormous crisis and so the bullshit is even larger and sticks around longer than anything else. We have executive orders that were "temporary emergency responses" from decades ago.
Dylan Gray
come on, DO IT save the white race
Landon Richardson
Beruhig dich.
Nathaniel Allen
>Everything in america that is supposed to be temporary lasts decades. And nothing in Germany is as temporary as a final solution
Jose Gonzalez
Even if Germany had a constitution it still wouldn't be a sovereign state.
We know for sure many countries that aren't.
Jack Diaz
Ja, aber natürlich kann es trotzdem theoretisch beamtenrechtliche Konsequenzen haben
Luis Robinson
>We are in this weird floaty state
your mom is a weird floaty state you fucking moron
Hudson Stewart
America should have pressed harder on Germany in implement the second ammendment in Germany too, but then again gun laws weren't federal until the 70ies.
