Why did FOX give back the rights to Daredevil to Marvel?

Why did FOX give back the rights to Daredevil to Marvel?

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Because Marvel wanted Silver Surver and Galactus to use for their cosmic side of the MCU in exchange for Fox to have the Daredevil rights longer. Turns out, Fox has plans for those characters (ala Fant4stic) and so Fox decided to revert the Daredevil rights back to Marvel

I've heard it was so they could keep the rights associated with the Fantastic 4

They just let them expire because they didn't want Marvel to have anything related to Fantastic Four.

I bet they are kicking themselves now.

Yup.

Marvel wanted FF, Fox said "No, have Daredevil instead".

They didn't actually outright give the rights back. They actually wanted to do another movie before the rights expired, but couldn't get the preliminary work in on time. Had they taken Marvel up on the "DD for Galactus and Surfer" deal, they may well have done it. And now we'll never see them let either the F4 or the X-Men go, because in the wake of the DD Netflix show, they are kicking themselves for letting Disney get yet another feather in their cap.

No, they could have kept both if they put a Daredevil movie out, Marvel just offered to let them keep DD for Surfer and Galactus.

There was a DD movie in the works for awhile but when that stalled, Fox said fuck it.

Why did they have to give up either?

Why not just release some quickly made crap tp keep the rights like the 90's FF movie?

They didn't have to, Fox just didn't keep up their end of the DD contract and the rights were due to revert back to Marvel. So Marvel basically offered them a deal: Since Daredevil was going to revert if Fox did nothing, they basically said "you can keep the DD rights if you give us the rights to SS and Galactus," and Fox decided not to take it.

They didn't think DD was worth it.

I can see that, despite the success of Superhero movies, Daredevil was too dark

I know, should have elaborated that. The point was that Marvel was willing to extend the Daredevil license in exchange for F4 but Fox refused and then couldn't finish their DD film in time.

The end result was a critically acclaimed Nexflix show for one and literal capeshit for the other.

When Marvel first started licencing out the movie rights to their characters there where certain conditions in the contract. If those conditions aren't met Marvel gets the rights back.

I'm pretty sure one of the conditions is that Fox needs to make a movie with those characters every few years. They made 1 DD movie and didn't make another one for a while.

The licensing contracts stipulate that you have to be actively using the properties to keep them. If you go a certain amount of time (most seem to be 8 years) without making a movie with the property then they revert automatically.

Daredevil was about to revert, so Marvel offered to let them keep the rights longer if they returned Silver Surfer and Galactus so they could be used in Guardians of the Galaxy. Fox didn't want to give up SS and Galactus, so the DD rights reverted automatically.

If Marvel had made it a movie it wouldn't have been nearly as good as the Netflix show. Making the deal with Netflix never would have occurred to the folks at Fox.

Contracts were changed by then, that's also why FF 2015 was released in theatres instead of being shelved

They were too busy rushing Fan4stic into half assed production to rush Daredevil into half-assed production.

Better question: why is FOX desperately hanging on to the rights to the Fantastic Four?

Because Marvel wised up since then and could sue. And after the Disney buyout, Marvel has access to the very best lawyers in the entertainment business, so there's no way Fox could ever expect to win such a lawsuit.

Fant4stic's half-assed production didn't even start until after the Daredevil rights lapsed.

Because while they may accept that the Fantastic Four will never make them money, they don't just want to hand Disney a potential new money machine.

Because the movie industry doesn't work that way anymore and Marvel isn't some rinky dink relic struggling to stave off bankruptcy anymore like they were in the 90s, and they're very litigious now.

so Marvel can't have Doom

The last time they let one of their properties revert, Marvel turned it into a critically acclaimed series that's lauded by many as one of the best things to come out of live-action superhero entertainment.

Y'know what's worse than making a shitty F4 movie that barely breaks even and gets critically panned to hell and back? Letting Disney/Marvel get it back for free just for them to turn it into a billion dollar franchise.

They'd rather take a loss every 8 years to keep the property than letting Disney/Marvel make bank off of it and make them look like idiots in the process.

They want something in exchange.

Fox wasn't going to make another Daredevil movie, they were actually going to make their own Daredevil TV show. There's a sizzle reel online, it would have been 70's inspired. But it didn't go into production or anything before the rights expired, so they didn't care that much I guess.

>The end result was a critically acclaimed Nexflix show for one and literal capeshit for the other.
pleb

$$$$

It wasn't a TV show, it was a movie trilogy they were planning.

>le Fox boogeyman

Holy shit, Sup Forums, stop. They're holding on because they want money and think the Fantastic Four can be profitable if they only get it right. Plus, it has the potential to crossover with the X-Men that Daredevil didn't.

It has nothing to do with spiting Disney.

>mostly incoherent babble, but familiar with retards who don't "talk gud"
Because Fox thought it was a dead property after it was panned so bad.

If they let FF go to Marvel and then Marvel made something critically and commercially acclaimed out of it in one try AGAIN that would look incredibly embarrassing.

Man, I fucking wish they had the same attitude with the Fantastic Four now.

For some reason I thought it was a TV show, guess I'm getting confused

Anyways here it is

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>4th times the charm!

Lmao, they must be idiots if they think they can make it profitable after poisoning the brand

Disney has been spiting them, why not return the favor?

There is no way the people is going to let Fox have a third attempt at this, especially now that Fant4stic has gone down as infamously bad.

Because Fox wants money and Disney has lots of money to give. It's not rocket science.

Except Fox, by letting the Daredevil contract lapse, effectively gave the rights to Disney for free.

I know, right? This last one was soooooo fucking bad

>Fox: hey give us money for the Daredevil rights
>Disney: or we could just wait a few months
>Fox: shit

>critically and commercially acclaimed
lol

it was on netflix

what's your point?
Netflix has had some good shit, dumbass.
Network TV is failing as the days go by

>Daredevil S1 wasn't widely acclaimed amongst fans and critics
>Fant4stic wasn't unanimously considered dogshit
So which is it user:Fox shill or traveller from an alternate reality?

You think Netflix doesn't make money or something?

You're delusional if you think they're betting on FF being profitable.

Sharing universes with X-Men effectively got shut down months before Fant4stic came out after Kinberg denied the two properties sharing a universe.

After failing to make a popular FF franchise three times, any competent movie studio would cut their losses and give the rights back or at least share them to have even a chance at making money.
Hell, Sony caved to Marvel after two.

Fox doesn't want to give it back simply because of that. They just don't WANT to. It's not a matter of profit anymore. They just don't want to.

Marvel made a loss with Daredevil

The critical acclaim is on the same level as all marvel stuff (7/10, good/ok)

THERE IS NO INCENTIVE TO GIVE AWAY THE RIGHTS

No shit.
Which is better than most regular network shows

>Because Marvel wanted Silver Surver and Galactus

It's like a bunch of kids playing with action figures.

Nice meme.

lower standards for netflix

see orange is the new black

>They didn't think DD was worth it.
But why though? Silver Surfer and Galactus aren't nearly as popular as Daredevil on his own. He was one of Marvel's main guys waaaay before the movies and shit. He had one of the longest and interesting comic runs over at Marvel. He was a good deal seeing how so many people like the dark anti-hero type.

>Better question: why is FOX desperately hanging on to the rights to the Fantastic Four?

Because FF is still believed to have potential since they're a power house in the comics.

>Silver Surfer
he is one of the biggest names, bigger than DD by miles

Fair enough.

I'm glad they did, daredevil S1 was GOAT. S2 was great, still, but nowhere near as the first one.


Season 3 when?

>nowhere near

S2E1-E4 are better than anything in S1

Doom, SS, Human Torch, The Thing etc are all still easily recognizable characters which can be appealing to the masses. They'll keep trying until the franchise's image is so fucked that it's 100% irredeemable.

And they're aware of how profitable Doom or Galactus could be to Marvel, they could each carry the role of the main villain in an Avengers movie. They'll never stop making these shitty movies to avoid the rights reverting when they know they could possibly get a shit ton of money from Disney for them.

>literal child

They were contractually obligated to begin production on another movie by a certain date to retain the rights. They'd lined up director Joe Carnahan to produce one (and it sounded good, too. His demo reel might still be on YouTube), but for whatever reason, he backed out of the project at the last minute and they were unable to begin work by the deadline. Marvel was willing to grant them an extension, for a price (Silver Surfer & Galactus), which they were unwilling to pay. So, the deadline passed and the rights were returned as required.

maybe nowhere near is an exaggeration, but still.

There is though, because they have to suffer losses just to keep the rights to properties they're well aware they have no means of making profits from. The incentive is not continuing to lose money.

Do you think Netflix isn't the new TV or something?

Fox knows that Marvel really wants the FF rights back, so it's just sitting on them until Marvel's ready to fork over a large enough sum of cash.

they think marvel will pay out the nose if sufficiently prodded. not sure if they're wrong

I hope they're not retarded like Sony and want more than it cost for Disney to buy Star Wars for the FF rights.

This.

Because they signed a contract that said they did.

Because they had a contract.

In this case, it said that, as with the FF rights, the Daredevil rights would expire 10 years after the release of the movie. Sequels add a shorter duration, if they continue to be made after the initial 10 year period (as with the X-Men rights).

They had absolutely no intention of making a Daredevil movie. No funding was ever allocated to the project.

It's literally the same contract. The rights were sold on after they were renewed at the end of their initial period - 20th Century Fox, then kind of a shitty, dead-end studio, ended up buying them. Presumably Marvel has first refusal on any sale, but at that time (in the mid-late 1990s), they weren't making movies so they'd be paying to fuck themselves, since each movie made under license creates a lump sum payment to Marvel.

When the period was again coming up, FOX were ready to make a new movie - the period can't expire during active production, that is, when a movie is actually being filmed; there's a grace period following that in which to complete production and assign a solid release date. The timing was not last-minute as the Daredevil thing was - this was something planned for years beforehand which began shooting when it did in order to make maximum use of the rights period; it was moderately successful and received a sequel, but this was less successful and the project stalled. Then at the end of another 10 year period the reboot began shooting. This was a flop, but one which guarantees another 10 years - because it's not a sequel.

It's probably an abuse of the contract's intentions which nevertheless falls within the letter of the agreed terms, but them's the breaks.

10 years is a relatively common lease period - most projects bought this way never actually get made, so the full cost of purchase is never paid (it's graded according to how far things go).