When will we have another movie about the crusades?

When will we have another movie about the crusades?

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How about a crusade to unJUST Nic Cage?

Hopefully never. It'd just be leftist 'the Christians were the devil attacking the peaceful Muslims who are good boys who didnu nuffin

Only if a country like Poland makes one.

Instead of what?

Instead of what actually happened historically?

Which is?

cucktolics going on crusade in the name of God but instead of defending the city of God they go to Constantinople, siege it, kill almost all of its population, loot everything, melt all the golden crosses and holy relics and go back home full of shekels leaving not only Jerusalem, but the Byzantine Empire too to fall into the hands of mudslimes

>Hayden Christensen

(((you)))

Will Byzantiboos ever recover?

Protecting and freeing christians from muslim enslavement and occupation. Islam has always been a religion of conquest.

>that crusade that had a lot of merchants involvement..
>mm really makes you wonder

christians were really mad that muslims were invading everything all the time for hundreds of years so they sperged out and started going to the holy lands to fight muslims a few times then went back home to europe to participate in the turmoil that was inherent to feudal europe at the time

what you have to remember is that muslims have pretty much always been massive pieces of shit. Contemporary european christians weren't much better, but they had pretty solid reasons to go on crusade against the muslims and take a big fat shit in the holy land to piss off and scare the muslims for centuries to come. In case you didn't guess the reason yet, it's because muslims were pieces of shit.

movie?

>Muslims conquer middle-east, north africa and Persia in a few years
>Invade and conquer most of Iberia, attack France, all this is unprovoked mind you
>Take Sicily and launch pirate raids on Rome
>Christians finally have had enough and answer a plea from the Byzantine Emperor for help against the Turks who have taken most of asia minor
>Christendom goes to war, takes back Sicily and Iberia and holds the holy land for a few years

Lol, is this a mockup for a manga?

Michael Fassbender has one in production. It's about a Hiberno-Norman Crusader (Irish Norman).

>what you have to remember is that muslims have pretty much always been massive pieces of shit.
Not really. Its hard to adequately explain the damage the mongolians did to the entire middle east. They smashed the cradle of civilization back to square one and the region is still recovering.

>byzantines getting rekt by muslims
>dial the pope for help
>pope makes up some shit like "your sins will be forgiven" to get dummies over there
>spend the next 300 years attempting to gain control over the holy lands
>fail

Now internet christian larpers conflate it with modern sentiments of islam

first crusade was kińó
the rest wast beyond stupidity
especially that loli one

its like when they make a masterpiece movie and then keep trying to ape the success of the first one

and what was with that fourth one? Sheesh those idiots crusaded themselves!

A peaceful pilgrimage

I've always thought the children's crusade would make a really great premise for a black comedy.

BYZANTINE MOVIE WHEN

Probably never.
I don't understand why its such an overlooked period of pop-history.

An invasion launched to defend Christendom from the continued ravages of Islam.

Syria, Egypt, Palestine, Turkey, etc. were all Christian lands. The Muslims invaded and enslaved/raped/force-converted the local population by spending a bunch of bird mana. They were on the doorstep of Constantinople and there were no longer any Surprise-Bulgarians left to attack the Muslims in the back, so the Emperor, Alexius Comnenus, sent word to the Pope (Urban II).

Urban II went all "GONDOR CALLS FOR AID" to the various Lords and Kings of Europe. The Kings all told him to eat a fat dick because they were busy with other shit. A few guys, the most famous being Godfrey de Bouillon and Raymond of Toulouse (great lords of their time from Frankish lands -- modern day Belgium/Luxenburg and France) said they'd go along, though. And they attracted a number of other men to come.

The crusaders were made up of a mixed bunch. You had truly pious men, like Godfrey, willing to fight and die to save their fellow christians. And then you had opportunistic fighters who saw the chance for wealth and glory (like Godfrey's brother, Baldwin). The crusaders make their way down to Italy, recruiting people on the way, and they meet BOHEMOND OF ANTIOCH-- well, he was just Bohemond d'Hauteville of Taranto at this point. Bohemond was an absolute BAMF that gave no fucks, renowned for his good looks, cruelty, and extreme competence when it came to the art of murder and battle.

Bohemond, you see, was a Norman. And not just any Norman. He was one of the Normans whose family invaded and conquered Sicily/Southern Italy away from the Muslims as a practice run before the other Normans invaded England. Turns out Normans were taking islands and carving kingdoms out of them left and right in the 11th century. After taking Sicily and Naples, the Normans got bored and they'd regularly launch attacks on their neighbors and demand tribute for sport. For example, Bohemond sailed to Epirus (modern-day Albania; controlled by the Byzantines at the time) and took their shit just to fuck with them and demand money. He was a warrior extraordinaire, and he knew it.

Bohemond decides to join the Crusaders with his knights and immediately becomes the nominal leader of the crusade, because he was the only of the great lords with any amount of experience kicking ass, taking names, and skinning people alive. But it's still technically led by a council consisting of Godfrey, Raymond, Bohemond, and some other noblemen (including a French prince, Hugh de Vermandois).

Eventually, the crusaders make it to Constantinople, which is quite the surprise and embarrassment. First of all, Emperor Alexius was not expecting literally fucking thousands of knights and soldiers from Western Europe to show up on his doorstep. Secondly, he sure as fuck didn't expect them to be led by the dude that had been invading Albania and killing Alexius's men for sport. But Alexius was a canny ruler and he realized he should probably forget that.

(A side note: one of the best contemporary sources from the time period is the Alexiad, a history of the Byzantine Empire, written by Alexius's teenage daughter, Anna Comnena. She included a passage describing how utterly smitten she was with Bohemond and how handsome he was and how she wondered what color his beard would be if he didn't shave and how he was shaped like a Greek god yadda yadda. Bohemond was already forty at this point).

they were pieces of shit to anyone not muslim way before that. You can argue that there were a lot of other worse people, but that doesn't make them any less shit. The muslims got their start by invading literally everyone, remember, and their golden age was founded on the Jizya and the accomplishments of people they practically enslaved.

You can't just forget the sentiments held by christians with regards to muslim invasions, though. There's always been a lot of rivalry between christians and muslims, and it had a lot to be with muslims being kind of dicks.

Third crusade is goat crusade faggot

Alexius has all of the crusader lords swear fealty to him an promise to return the lands conquered by the Muslims to the Byzantine Empire. These had all been Roman, Christian lands. And he was the Emperor of Byzantium, the successor of Eastern Rome.

Bohemond's like "yeah, sure, bud. Whatever." The other crusader lords do the same -- kneel, swear fealty, etc. And head on out into Turkey. In Turkey, the crusaders already face resistance, but Bohemond kicks ass and takes names and defeats the "Danishmeds" at a big battle that kinda scatters the Turks to the winds and leaves their path open to the Holy Land. This was compounded by the fact that, like in feudal Europe, all of the muslim lords were constantly competing with and fighting eachother.

Baldwin, good old Godfrey's brother, senses opportunity. He takes his knights and heads off into the middle of fucking nowhere, going east instead of south. The other crusaders are all "BRO, THE FUCK" but he just lays siege to and takes over Edessa, establishing the first Crusader State, the County of Edessa.

Bohemond leads the crusaders to Antioch, one of the great cities of the holy land and center of one of the Patriarchates of the Church. He lays siege to the city, takes it over, and promptly gives Alexius the bird, saying he is the Prince of Antioch now, ruling it for himself, and deciding to give no tribute to Alexius. The other crusaders are kind of at a loss for what to do now. They'd been relying on the Byzantine navy and Byzantine troop support, and now their leading officer has singlehandedly shat all over that support and washed it down the drain. But Godfrey was not to be deterred. He was a man who believed in the cause, in God, and in the importance of saving Christendom from the muslim invaders. So he kept going.

Eventually, the Crusaders manage to take control of nearly the entire coastal area of Lebanon, Syria, Israel, etc. as well as parts of Jordan. They realize there's no hope the Byzantines will treat with them, so they choose to establish a Kingdom of God... but a kingdom needs a king. And who better than Godfrey?

Godfrey says 'No.' The Kingdom of God has a King and his name is Jesus Christ, Our Savior. Instead, Gofrey allows them to give him the title of "Defender of the Holy Sepulchre," a sort of "Steward Denethor" until the return of God-King Jesus. The Muslims are pissed because all of this rich land they just took is now back in Christian hands. Even more embarrassing, contemporary Muslim scholars note that Muslim farmers actually seem happier and more productive under crusader lords than under the Muslim despots who treated them like slaves.

Eventually, Raymond dies, then Godfrey too. And for lack of a better alternative, the crusaders turn to Godfrey's brother, Baldwin, as his successor. Baldwin has no problem being crowned "King of Jerusalem," and so begins the line of Kings, ruling from Jerusalem, and the Crusader States are well and truly formed.

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>Alexius's teenage daughter, Anna Comnena.
I'd cum on that nina, if you know what I mean.

>tfw there will never be a movie about the northern crusades

Don't want to show a prospering Christian empire in the middle ages now would we, goy?

this saddens me the most. I love the Teutonic knights

>Third crusade is goat crusade
>failed to capture Jerusalem
>goat
lmao

>LAUREN SOUTHERN BEST WAIFU
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Alexander Nevsky?

DAYUS BULT xD xD

lol fuck off you alt right larpers

>not appreciating the bromance rivalry between Richard and Saladin
>not appreciating the fine art of warfare perfected ti the degree it was by two master tacticians and strategists
>not appreciating that Richard regained control of at least some of the holy land despite going up against one of the finest military commanders and politicians of that age

faggot

calm down

The Crusaders will literally nothing more than a bunch of religious fanatics, that made a failed attempt at taking back the middle east back from the muslims, but instead they sacked Istanbul and paved the way for The Turks to BTFO the Byzantine Empire. ''Deus Vult'' is the Christian version of ''Allah Akbar'' also, contrary to the whitewashing they get from the people who Lionize them, they were just as barbaric and savage as modern day ISIS.
>Many Muslims sought shelter in the Al-Aqsa Mosque, the Dome of the Rock, and the Temple Mount area generally. According to the Gesta Francorum, speaking only of the Temple Mount area, "...[our men] were killing and slaying even to the Temple of Solomon, where the slaughter was so great that our men waded in blood up to their ankles..." According to Raymond of Aguilers, also writing solely of the Temple Mount area, " in the Temple and porch of Solomon men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins." Writing about the Temple Mount area alone Fulcher of Chartres, who was not an eyewitness to the Jerusalem siege because he had stayed with Baldwin in Edessa at the time, says: "In this temple 10,000 were killed. Indeed, if you had been there you would have seen our feet coloured to our ankles with the blood of the slain. But what more shall I relate? None of them were left alive; neither women nor children were spared."
The eyewitness Gesta Francorum states that some people were spared. Its anonymous author wrote, "When the pagans had been overcome, our men seized great numbers, both men and women, either killing them or keeping them captive, as they wished." Later the same source writes, "[Our leaders] also ordered all the Saracen dead to be cast outside because of the great stench, since the whole city was filled with their corpses; and so the living Saracens dragged the dead before the exits of the gates and arranged them in heaps, as if they were houses. No one ever saw or heard of such slaughter of pagan people.

but there is dingus, and its fucking great

That crusade was revenge for Massacre of the Latins. Byzbos were worse that muslims.

ok Ahmed, calm down.

when will we see a 4th crusade movie that depicts the venitians as they really were, bastard jews

What's your point? Men were savage back then and insensitive, they were born and bred to fight and kill, and instill fear and doubt into their enemies. And if due payments are not handed over to such people, they will surely protest in a grotesque way. The Byzantines should have paid the Venetians if they didn't want their city to get sacked.

Not an ahmed nor an a Muslim. i'm an a atheist.

Thanks for the rundown senpai. How were the crusader states eventually lost to muslims again?

>What's your point?
Don't try to glorify armed religious thugs just because they are from the same side you are, The Crusaders you love were just as batshit insane and cruel as the Islamists you hate.

>russian propaganda
>great

>Istanbul

Yes Istanbul, the name the people who currently own it call it. Is there a problem?

>all this unrepentant butt rage
Quite uncivilized I do say.

How would a Hollywood film about the Reconquista be if made today?

I'm a non-christian middle eastern.

If anything I should be siding with Muslim Conquestors. Yet I too know they were just as ruthless. Because if they weren't, they would have never been able to take back Jerusalem. Yet in the midst of all that, Saladin and King Baldwin II could talk to each other as human beings.

Wanting to know more about the lives of such men is not the same as glorifying them. There is some level of respect to be held.

Istanbul wasn't a thing before 1923. It's proper name is Constantinople

>The Crusaders you love were just as batshit insane and cruel as the Islamists you hate.
Guess that's why Muslim farmers preferred crusader rule over the Muslim Lords.

1) most people are too stupid to even understand something like the byzantine empire even existed, let alone existed for 1500 years.

2) The empire was heavily religious. It was also filled to the brim with intrigue, betrayal, backstabbing, palace murders, torture brutality etc. This kind of moral duality does not sit well with people

3) Non-stop warfare with invaders (esp muslims)

4) Non-stop civil wars for the throne

last and most important:
5) "what ever happened to the byzantine empire"? Oh. It fell to a muslim invasion. Its people were subject to occupation for 400 years. Other christian nations only sent almost no help to their coreligionists.
"How did it happen?" A western christian joint army, a crusader force attacked Byzantium and damaged it permanently.

Any story about Byzantium has elements in it that do not fit today's pushed narratives.
Ultimately however, any story you tell on the empire would be about moral decay, betrayal and the fall of Christianity.

Christian ideological underpinnings form the basis of modern-day western thought. To make a movie about the fall of Christianity to outsiders is to make a movie about the death of love, the death of kindness, the death of morality, the death of the west.

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unlikely given the current political climate

>Guess that's why Muslim farmers preferred crusader rule over the Muslim Lords.
Yes, i'm sure they loved the foreign thugs that were slaughtering them left and right.

Europeans wasting their time and money trying to conquer shitty desert lands due to their devotion to a Semitic religion that came from those shitty desert lands.

>foreign thugs
You just described the Arabs

>stanbul wasn't a thing before 1923. It's proper name is Constantinople
Doesn't matter, Istanbul is it's modern name. You want it to be called Constantinople? then try to take it back.

Outcast. 5% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Nobody cares what you think either, especially when historians prefer to call it Constantinople instead of Istanbul when referring to historical context.

Related question: are there any movie I can watch about mudslims and shitskins getting killed, possibly by swords?

>take it back

Dubs speak truth. It's time for a new crusade.

Nah i just described the european christians, also the muslims that were ruling them weren't Arab. They were Turks and Kurds like Saladin and Nur al Din Zengi.

And who were the ones who were ruling the area before the Turks came?

See Kingdom of Heaven

The Egyptian Shia Fatimids that ruled from Cairo.

I. You are a retard.
II. The Fertile Crescent is not exactly a desert.
III. Christianity is logos, it isn't and never was just a "Semitic" or "Abrahamic" religion, they started using the term Judaeo-Christian only in the latter half of the 20th century.
IV. Territorial expansion and spreading of civilisation is never a waste of resources.
V. You are a retard. (bis)

Why did Constantinople get the works? Thats nobody's business but the turks!

...who were Arabs

>it isn't and never was just a "Semitic" or "Abrahamic" religion

What kind of stupid do you have to be to try to dissociate Islam from Arabs?

reconquista took place over centuries

And that doesn't because bu that time, the Arab conquests have happend more than 300 years ago, everybody they ruled over was Arabized and related more to their Muslim fellows then to the foreign european christians.

>filled to the brim with intrigue, betrayal, backstabbing, palace murders, torture brutality etc. This kind of moral duality does not sit well with people
That's the kind of shit people love. The average Joe doesn't know Caesar because his military campaigns but because he was stabbed in the back by a friend acting at the behest of a conspiracy.
Fuck intrigue is the most interesting thing about ANY royal court, religious or otherwise.
And if its an issue of christianity/Catholicism then why hasn't that stopped movies from being made about Henry VIII (i am i am) and the anglican church?

Arabs are a particular group of peoples, islam is an evangelical religion.
Not all muslims are arab.

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(you)

Nothing Idiotic about what i said. The majority of Muslims are non-Arab, and most of the people who fought for Islam weren't Arab. Saladin was a Kurd, Nur al din Zengi was a Turk, and Ali ibn Tariq was a Berber.

From the moment the Christ trascends the material, which is a central point of all Semitic religions, Christianity stops being a traditional Semitic religion. Your point?

Actually it does matter, the Arabs managed to hold on their claims so long and assimilate the natives because they had no opposition, while the Crusaders were already facing a powerful and united enemy. They're both foreign thugs to the area and one of them got away with it because they took advantage of two weakened entities

Bump

You're an idiot, Christianity is literally a religion from slaves. Gnostic's are some of the first encounters in europe while Romans were feeding these fuckers to lions.

Go read Nietzsche if you think so highly of Christianity.

>Battleship Potemkin
>Not great
Imagine being this much of a cinematic pleb.
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Yeah right, but culturally how would describe these people? Even if they are ethnically not Arabs, Islam was unlike Christianity in that it highly shaped the secular culture of those peoples Arabizing it.

>II. The Fertile Crescent is not exactly a desert.
Literally climate change, and several thousand years of aggregated irrigation (backfilled by goddamn mongorians) is what made it the fertile crescent.

>hey're both foreign thugs to the area and one of them got away with it
Not really, by the time the first crusade happend, the muslims from the levant spoke Arab and identified as Arab. They saw the Crusaders as foreign thugs who are slaughtering them and fellow Muslims like Saladin and Nur al din Zengi as saviors.

Which crusade went to Tatooine?

>Go read Nietzsche

lmao, what are you, 12 or fedora?

The crusades are a shit setting. I say this while larping as deus vult (also crusaders did virtually nothing wrong, especially taking over the Greek capital which more than asked for it).
The recent resurgence in interest is wholly due to the clash-of-culture element to it, which is quite awful if you are not either passionate about diplomacy or a postmodern leftist.

If you want a medieval subject, there is so much to be done, both historical and fiction of the time, and more interesting than the crusades.

Corruption, incompetence, and infighting. Antioch kept quarreling with Byzantium. They were no longer led by crusading lords but by the sons and daughters and descendants of those original lords.

This is a fallacy. The crusader lords were far better.

Cage has never been JUST