We all know Revolution is awful, but do you think Reloaded is a good movie...

We all know Revolution is awful, but do you think Reloaded is a good movie, even though it leaves a lot of questions open to be answered later on?

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Reloaded was good, i consider it on par with the first

It is not the fate that brought you here it is not the destiny but it is a choice mr. anderson a choice that you made long ago before you were even born the matrix is a system mr anderson just like a business or the forces of nature it occurs at all times and for no reason which is why the program is here now with you mr anderson...

Reloaded wasn't as good as the first but it wad a solid sequel and worthy succesor. The point of the movie sequel isn't to surpass the first but rather revisit the universe and expand it in a way that still stays true to the spirit of the original and it did just that.

And altho revolutions is dog shit the ending it gave to the trilogy with neo being "inevitably" defeated by smith and then smith promptly self terminates was a kino af ending

But can Reloaded even exist on its own without Revolution, like the original Matrix movie can without the sequels? I think above anything, that is the greatest flaw of Reloaded.

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just to add Reloaded was fucking insane in imax

i don't think it's very good but the premise was sound: it's the empire strikes back of the matrix and follows the same pattern.

the celebrated hero of the rebellion is growing weary because the big victory from the previous movie was only the prelude to an endless war. there's even an enthusiastic younger rebel that the hero's new disillusionment is contrasted with. the hero looks for spiritual advice from a wise teacher, but the revelations of the authority figure he meets at the end further undermine the basic assumptions of his struggle. he ends the movie in a state of limbo, old assumptions smashed but no new conviction to replace them.

then the third part wastes all this setup. it happened both to star wars and the matrix.

That's the greatest flaw of any movie. As I explained in another thread, movies shouldn't rely on others of a franchise made sequentially around them to successfully tell a coherent and compelling story; everything the audience should need to feel satisfied with the story should all be put right in front of them. The characters, the world, the plot, the stakes, everything should be equally understandable to someone who has never seen the first X amount of films to know what's going on AND doesn't have to see the next Y amount of films to feel satisfied with the story put right in front of them. You know what you call a feature length film that doesnt do that? An extended TV series episode, not a film that can stand on its own. Fucking obv the film will expand on the universe, its a new story. Unless the producers just digitally remaster the shit and market it as some Goldberg grubbing scheme for newfag goys who werent born 3 decades ago to make an extra buck, thus literally making the exact same film, it's going to be a different film. Hell, even reboots, while the laziest fucking move in production history, are original because they (mostly) tell their own story. All in all, you shouldn't want to see and like Reloaded because the Matrix was good so we'll give it a pass; you should like or dislike it based on whether or not Reloaded itself was good or not, having never seen the first or third. Notable examples of films you don't need to watch around to understand and enjoy: the Dark Knight, Star Trek: the Wrath of Khan, In the Heat of the Night, Aliens, Terminator 2. Those are how a studio writes, directs, and makes good films that expand the world around them NAYURALLY while simply telling a damn good story in and of itself

reloaded is a masterpiece

>it happened both to star wars and the matrix.

Your right but they fucked up different things star wars nailed the journey but fucked the emding where as matrix 3 fucled up the journey but nailed the ending

That kind of set up puts in motion events where the hero realizes he's useless and ultimatley a pawn of a greater design. Luke realizes this when he discovers his path wasn't all that different than his fathers and how he easily could fall to the darkside but then the movie ends suddenly on a happy note. Where as in matrix neo goes on a meandering journey only to give in to destiny at the end almost as an afterthought

15 year old me was giddy af when Morph unshealthed katana

one of the few movies I watched multiple times in the cinema

Leaving questions unanswered in a film that's part of a sequence is not the issue. It's *what* it left unanswered and what the answers turned out to be that were the problems.

god trinity was perfect in reloaded holy shit

What unmitigated horseshit. By your standard, there's never been one good trilogy.

Sion scene sucks

Zion and everyone there were terrible.

He is right, though we often forgive that flaw in movie series we like like LotR or SW. The flaw doesn't make the movie bad, but just because the movie may be good doesn't mean the flaw isn't there.

Bane?

Hey, if all you care about is "muh holy trilogy" and studios shitting out films just to get to three or reach a certain catharsis in a franchise *cough cough Avengers cough cough*, then you and anyone else is welcome to enjoy a heaping ladle full of dogshit those studios call "feature length ""films""" and throw every penny at the bottom of your fangirl purses to make Silverman-Goldstein Productions richer at the expense of your nostalgic, OCD driven dementia. The rest of us aren't gonna waste our time and money buying every "collector's anniversary deluxe limited edition" of a series and cosplay like obese versions of those shitty film's dogshit characters to futilely get laid for the first time in our 42 years of our lives because we're not beta oldfag cucked goys

You didn't need to watch Back To The Future 1 to enjoy part 2. You didn't need to watch the original Star Wars to enjoy ESB, but there was a reveal at the end that made it worthwhile. I'd say there is less redundancy overall today, but also more use of abstractions and less coherent storytelling.

TFA was the worst of both worlds; redundant and incoherent.

And you didn't need to watch The Matrix to enjoy The Matrix Reloaded.

Here's what happened.

>make the matrix with zero expectations
>movie instantly becomes a cult classic
>holy shit, we rich!
>WB:.. "here's more money, write a sequel!"
>write 20 shit sequel ideas that get rejected, none anywhere near the quality of the first
>5 years later
>WB begrudgingly picks 1
>makes it into 2 films
>both shit but with cool moments
>make more money

The 2 sequels were never planned or written until after the first had became a hit, which is why they're so bad. The entire Zion arc was awful, and the "sex scene" was cringe-worthy. The only good thing about the sequels is the bullet-cam effects, car chase and the fight scenes. The rest is B-Movie acting and non-coherent "profound" dialogues.

>5 years later
This is wrong though. Matrix came out in 1999, Reloaded was 2002 and revolutions 2003. They filmed the last two at the same time.

Enjoy is really subjective. Objectively, Reloaded was incoherent and didn't have a compelling story

This user knows what's up. If the first matrix didn't exist, Reloaded and ESPECIALLY Revolutions would be the biggest studio box office production flops in history. The fact that a studio needs an already established fanbase to prop up their movie out of "muh nostalgia" alone *cough cough Star Wars cough cough* means it a sheer failure in visual storytelling

I disliked Reloaded but quite like Revolutions.

But the first movie is way better

Dude you cannot argue that Empire and Jedi stand alone as their own films, they totally build off the previous story.

Reloaded and Revolutions both came out in 2003.

Both Reloaded and Revolutions came out in 2003, ok so 4 years. Still, point was, they're half-assed "add-ons". They're nowhere near as refined or well thought-out as the first movie.

They had to step around the whole "We made Neo God" plot-hole that they'd ended the 1st movie with.

fuck RIGHT OFF

not even close to as good as the first.

the first was a dark gritty technopunk thriller.

the second was big budget hollywood action

Wasn't the original idea/script for the Matrix ripped off by the Wachowskis from someone else? It would explain why the sequels sucked so much and why they haven't made anything good since the original.

Don't forget, Keanu Reeves was a B-list actor at the time of the Matrix, as were Fishburn and Fisher. The rest of the cast were unknowns and z-listers. Nobody knew what the fuck the Matrix was about apart from it was Sci-Fi, and the pre-hype was pretty low. There wasn't even internet back then.

The entire concept of a modern "computer simulated environment" or red-pill hadn't even been written, (Tron, Lawnmover Man didn't count)

The Matrix was huge. It literally created a generation of Leather-clad, goth, wannabe computer hackers that defined the 00's.

Yeah, I know that desu, that's what I was mentioning

>an action movie with not that good acting

Whoa... I guess you're never happy then.

>Keanu Reeves was a B-list actor
>There wasn't even internet back then.
Is this fucking satire?

>The entire concept of a modern "computer simulated environment" or red-pill hadn't even been written
The concept derives from the Cartesian Evil Demon idea dating back to the 1600s

The internet was in fairly wide use since about 1993 or so, when America online put free floppy discs in every Walmart in America. Even backwoods Hicks like my family had internet since the early 90's you fuck wit.

The matrix came out when? 99 or 2000?

I remember the hype for the matrix clearly. Nothing compared to what's possible now with social media, but still huge.

Some woman claims she wrote a book which was used to create Terminator 2 and The Matrix. Not sure if it was settled.

>Is this fucking satire?
Why would you assume that?

>The concept derives from the Cartesian Evil Demon idea dating back to the 1600s
No, sweety. It just doesn't.

There was internet, but it wasn't like it is today. It was shit. It was like browsing Tor.

browsing tor is only shit because no one knows how to make clean, unbloated websites anymore.

when dialup was all anyone had, everything was optimized for dialup.

Also stop trying to download child pornography off xplay goddamn. That site is basically set up as a leech/pleb filter.

Not really. Maybe you just grew up in the middle of nowhere or poor. I grew up in LA and by the mid-late 90s everyone had a home PC and internet. Websites were also designed for low bandwidth connections.

>Why would you assume that?
Because everyone had internet by then. Keanu Reeves became an A-lister from Speed in 1994, and was already well known from Bill & Ted and Point Break. You both also need to be over 18 to post here.

I like all 3 movies.

Browsing Tor is shit because there's fuckall on it, just like the internet in 1999. Unless it was Myspace, a Network page or a Government website there was nothing. No video streaming, no forums, no chans, just random, badly-coded websites with Cat pictures etc We all used Limewire and Bearshare (torrents) because the internet had nothing of value.

>No, sweety. It just doesn't.
Its well known the Matrix was inspired by ideas like the Evil Demon and the Brain in a Vat concept. Also coming from a kid who thinks the internet didn't exist in 1999. GTFO.

If they didn't fight agents why did they bother learning martial arts and carrying guns and being badass? Was it just to kill civilians like the guards in the building? Did they really kill witless innocents then?

>just like the internet in 1999
There was actually a greater variety of content on the internet in 1999 then there is now. Content since then has been consolidated by large businesses due to buyouts and mergers and most people now only use a handful of sites.

>Unless it was Myspace
Didn't exist in 1999
>no forums
There were more forums on the internet in 1999 than there are now
>Limewire and Bearshare (torrents)
None of these existed in 1999

You also need to be over 18 to post here. Mods!

The Matrix had a lot of hype but I also remember it being overshadowed by the Episode 1 hype, which came out only a month later. I think how disappointing EP1 was helped The Matrix a lot with its long term popularity too.

Fucking hell is this entire board full of children who don't remember anything?

Outside the ending of Revolution, is there even a single good scene in Revolution? All I remember is people yelling while shooting at robots in Zion, which was just abysmal.

i wouldn't call it good, but it has it's moments

Both reloaded and revolutions are based on a single script, the studio made those trannies do a trilogy for maximum milk money. Looking at the sequels separately is retarded because it's a single continuous story.

>why did they bother learning martial arts and carrying guns
Because they could learn and get all that with a push of a button.

they make it a point that neo was especially good at it, plus everyone fails the jumping one, which is arguably the most important

Can't remember what it was called, but there was an early draft Matrix sequel script online that was honestly really good.

It had elements that were kinda stupid, like a biker that was able to alter the matrix(Kinda how they show in Animatrix) that Agent Smith recruits.

But everything in Zion was really great, made it feel like a proper city and was more down to earth.

Really feel that the Matrix sequels were hurt by its own popularity. Instead of just doing a sequel, you had Animatrix that tied into Reloaded/Revolutions that was basically one massive movie and then you had Enter The Matrix game on top of that that was a big part of the story.

literally the only thing I remember about this movie is the fight scene with dozens of Smith clones, which I thought was cool as fuck when I was a kid

OK, tell you what - why don't you condense the OT down into one film, make me still fall in love with the characters, and not make the film more than 2 hours long?

It's not padding the story if there's legitimately more story than a person can reasonably be asked to take in in one sitting. Want to know when it's shit? When you do things like turn "The Hobbit" into a trilogy. It's also kind of shitty when you end a film on a cliffhanger. The Matrix is guilty of doing that. LotR and the OT aren't, but asking all movies to be entirely self-contained is sort of like insisting that shows that aren't completely serialized are inherently superior to shows that have story arcs.

It was terrible.

Zion orgy, cringey kid idolizing Neo, Neo and Trinity making out at every opportunity, the Merovingian, digital orgasm cake or pie or whatever it was, bajillion smiths fight, Trinity falling in slow motion... The whole movie was pretty fucking awful.

Literally just rewatched it and I have to agree with this. The only good Matrix products are the original movie and Animatrix.

Other than the poor score, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
3rd one was hard to like though.

there was an orgy? I thought it was just a rave?