Are there any Punisher arcs where he goes after white collar criminals...

Are there any Punisher arcs where he goes after white collar criminals, since they're far more responsible for pain and suffering across the entire country than some gangbangers or mafia-types whose effects are rather limited?

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No, because capeshit writers are shitty writers. Better to have him keep slaughtering poor minorities in support of the drug war to appeal to the rich white suburbanites that read capeshit.

Barracuda arc in MAX.

>The reason you're missing 4 fingers is because you've been embezzling money, Mr. Michaels. But the reason you're about to die is because you used that money to buy a yacht.

Frank does not kill criminals to make the world a better place or protect innocent people, he kills them because he hates them

...

There would be less criminals for him to kill if Wall Street types didn't close down factories and poison drinking water.

>There would be less criminals for him to kill

That's a good reason to not do it

You should have already read Punisher MAX.

The Barracuda arc of MAX, the insider trading arc of Mike Baron's run, and The Punisher: The End.

Probably more.

One of the other vigilantes from Welcome Back, Frank went after Wall Street criminals, though he was also careless, and ended up killing at least four innocent people, something he apathetically brushed off (which is probably the reason why Frank killed him).

Are there any arcs where he fucking dies because he tries to do things gung ho style?

No, because the Punisher doesn't do gung ho.

Punisher :The List

Read War Zone. Pretty capably showed why Frank can't be killed. He's basically a ghost.

>why Frank can't be killed

His Plot Armor?

That's the short answer, but his plot armor is demonstrated in a way that's believable.

4thletter.net/2012/02/the-many-deaths-of-frank-castle/

There's probably something here, though it's from 2012, and thus obviously missing things like the Secret Wars tie-in.

Why does everyone complain about this component? It's not even ridiculous in Frank's case given his action hero roots. I can't imagine watching Hardboiled or Die Hard with you faggots.

Not really. Frank would get killed real quick in reality. He's a fucking cape character. There's nothing realistic about him.

By this logic he should become a villain and kill anyone fighting crime so the world can become a terrible crime ridden place that he can happily purge.

By that logic, then Ripley and Rambo are cape characters.

He's tried to kill Wilson Fisk multiple times

Rambo might as well be.

>mobster
>white collar criminal

He's both, it's why he's so powerful

...Kingpin isn't a white collar criminal.

He should really go after Roxxon Oil

You know some "capeshit" writers deal with that? There was even an arc in Punisher with a vigilante called Payback who dealt with them.

Frank Castle doesn't kill to make the world a better place, he kills because he's a psychopath.

The problem with Frank is that he's essentially an action hero, his stories rarely touch upon the complex nature of crime; the socioeconomic aspects that foster it.

He did once follow a crime all the way to the white house, but was stopped by Captain America and his own unwillingness to hurt Cap.
The scum got away with it, like in real life.

The difference is that those are far better characters made by competent people that don't try be edgy serious trash while failing horribly like capeshit writers

That's debatable. White collar criminals don't go around shooting and killing innocents.

There are many Punisher stories that don't try to be deep or edgy and just have crazy action. "Welcome Back Frank" is the most famous.

They exacerbate the factors that push people to do so.

The crime that Wall Street types commit a) goes completely unpunished and b) create the environment that street crime grows out of.

First issue of dark reign, he tries to go after norman osborn

>a) goes completely unpunished
True

>and b) create the environment that street crime grows out of.
I'm not so sure about that one

>"push" people to do so
Ugh

How about instead of recycling the same shitty character, they try writing good, new characters in original stories that aren't fan-fiction garbage?

Crime exists to fill vacuums. People can't find work, but they need money to live. So, they turn to crime in order to get the money that they need. People don't dream of becoming a street boy slinging crack. They do that sort of shit because there's nothing else that's available for them. There's nothing else that's available for them because Wall Street plays games with the economy, either choking back work to increase profits, destroying jobs through their fraudulent actions (such as the case during the last recession) or by creating unstable economic conditions to, once again, increase profits.

Right? Like, Frank one day realizes that he can't keep fighting the war, that he's getting older and he's running down, that crime is a cycle and heroes try to stop that cycle. Maybe he should try being a hero for once.

Oh, so you just hate "capeshit." Gotcha! I've met plenty of anons like you (or maybe it was just you) and trying to have a discussion about said topic is pointless.

does Frank even have the skillset to track down white collar criminals?

Sure he does. Can he spend a couple bucks on a newspaper? Not like white collar criminals hide.

Tracking down white collar criminals is a lot easier than tracking down drug dealers, human traffickers and mobsters

Recycling the same, decades old characters, who all exist in the same universe for marketing purposes will never result in good writing.

The best capeshit writing is still worse than daytime TV soap opera trash.

>try writing good, new characters in original stories that aren't fan-fiction garbage?

What are archetypes? The Punisher encompasses basically an vigilante story, an crazy ex-soldier story somebody would want to do.

The market for comics is in a pretty bad place and in point of fact Garth Ennis' other war comics and crime stories with original characters sell less than 1/10 as much.

Garth Ennis takes Marvel jobs to pay for those. He can have fun with both, and I as a reader can pursue both.

Your faux elitism is just pretentious chest-thumping.

What about the same characters but in a different universe? I'm talking Ultimate comics, movies, tv shows, etc.

Go back to your Bernie rally

>Recycling the same, decades old characters, who all exist in the same universe for marketing purposes will never result in good writing.

It has resulted in good writing hundreds of times. There are many stories with creative integrity and substance in comic books of all types.

>The best capeshit writing is still worse than daytime TV soap opera trash.

Not even a little bit true. When you exaggerate that way you might think you're adding emphasis to your point, but really you're undermining your legitimacy.

Punisher doesn't give a fuck about stuff like that. He's just a psycho who wants an excuse to kill gangsters. Your complaint would be better applied to Batman, who is supposedly intelligent and lucid.

>intelligent

Yes

>lucid

Putting on a fetish suit and spending billions of dollars to punch themed villains in the face is not something lucid people do.

This is more of a Green Arrow thing.

>The market for comics is in a pretty bad place

Because capeshit killed the market with the CCA and Diamond.

Who's "they"?

Ennis, Rucka, and Edmondson all write plenty of non capeshit. However, sometimes people have to eat, so they sign with Marvel or DC and pay the mortgage. I'm sorry that this doesn't fit your ideal view of "art", but that's reality.

>Because capeshit killed the market with the CCA and Diamond.

Yes, and? Should I wave my magic wand and undo that damage?

Go read Saga or something, jesus.

This thread is going places.

I'm the user you replied to. I've been in discussions like this countless times. I'm not in the mood. Especially today! My birthday is going to shit enough as it is. I'll just agree to disagree. Or I'll just agree if that's what you want. "Capeshit" sucks, but I love it anyway. I have such shit taste. There you have it. Have a Good day.

OK? This isn't news to anyone. We all know that.

Going after writers won't solve anything. Preordering floppies, buying trades, and just generally showing support for smaller titles is the only way out of the hole Diamond and the other culprits created.

Bitching about a Charles Bronson expy on a French film forum isn't a way to solve anything.

That isn't an argument in support of capeshit. Comics are doing well in Europe and Asia. Far better than north America.

Shit, even with an artificial monopoly capeshit still can't sell because it's trash. Disney and WB keep Marvel and DC around just for IP rights to crank out more shitty popcorn flicks no one cares about.

Nigga you mean Mack Bolan expy.

>using words like "capeshit" and "edgy"
Just kill yourself.

Why doesn't he hate white collar criminals?

>no one cares about
>MCU

Because they don't shoot back.

>Going after writers won't solve anything

Pretending that the garbage they write isn't shitty won't help either .

> Preordering floppies, buying trades, and just generally showing support for smaller titles is the only way out of the hole Diamond and the other culprits created.

I already do that.

>ITT: People arguing over things hat they know nothing about

They didn't kill his family.

Who's pretending? I love it. My kinda trash.

>That isn't an argument in support of capeshit. Comics are doing well in Europe and Asia. Far better than north America.

Yes? And? Let me just put on my super suit and push the continents back into Pangaea so we can all enjoy euro/asian comics.

>Shit, even with an artificial monopoly capeshit still can't sell because it's trash. Disney and WB keep Marvel and DC around just for IP rights to crank out more shitty popcorn flicks no one cares about.

One, again, and what else is that supposed to mean to me? Should I assassinate the executives who control time warner and disney? Should I wage war to begin down the federal government so that the characters slip into the public domain and are no longer profitable?

Or should I pursue a political career ro change public domain laws directly?

What would you have me do, fucknugget?

>responding to a "capeshit" baitposter

>Pretending that the garbage they write isn't shitty won't help either .

There's plenty of good stuff, and FYI, only a few writers working in comics can do better stuff outside of superhero stories.

Ed Brubaker's Velvet or Fatale are as good as any Captain America he wrote.

Jason Aaron's indie stuff is a lot better than his superhero stuff, but that's because he's overextended. The Marvel stuff pays his bills.

What do you want, bro? Because it's seems like you want an applebox to stand on and rant.

It's a mindless popcorn flick you take your kids to be amused by the pretty CGI. No one really cares about them.

They help distract me from the crushing awareness of the inevitability of my own death.

>There's plenty of good stuff

Such as?

>Rambo movies.
>Not written by edgelord retards..
Wew.

There weren't any kids besides teenagers and older at my theatre, and it was packed. I saw some elderly people by themselves at the theatre (probably because they were around and grew up with Cap in the forties).

That's what happens when you have mods as "competent" as ours. Even the most obvious bait finds a few retards who respond to it if you leave it long enough.

>Such as?

This is the part where I go out of my way to assemble a list of critically acclaimed comic books, from a variety of authors in a variety of genres and then you reply in a way to dismiss their legitimacy and quality without responding to my subsequent posts because you don't have an argument to stand on and are being purposefully contrarian.

or you reply with "lolreddit contrarian meme" bullshit

Why are you guys still responding to this shitposter? I've seen many like this user and have probably run into this one too. He doesn't care what you think! He's just trying to lord his integrity for "art" and can't stand to believe that some people can like what he likes and superhero comics. If you recommend things to him, he's going to say they are all shit. Wether he read them or not. Wether he's heard of them or not.

I was asking for examples of good capeshit.

Woo! Thread completely derailed by shitposters.

It's just one.

>derailed
"why doesn't Punisher do X/what happens if Punisher does X" started popping out ever since DD2, so I think it's a work of one or a group of dedicated shitposters.

Wasn't that because Stormin' Norman sent Daken after Frank, neutralizing Frank's best assets?

>DD2
And by that I obviously mean Daredevil season 2.

Shitty media is shitty media. Instead of trying to defend the comic book equivalent tv wrestling as well written. Just admit it's trash that you enjoy.

fine.....Promethea by Alan Moore
Swamp Thing by Alan Moore
Watchmen by Alan Moore

Hawkeye by Matt Fraction
Captain Maerica vol.5 by Ed Brubaker
Immortal Iron Fist by Fraction and Bru

Legends of the Dark Knight (vol.1) by various authors (Denny Oneil, Morrison, Alan Grant, etc)
Batwoman by Greg Rucka
Manhunter by Marc Andreyko

Hellboy by Mike Mignola
Atomoic Robo by Brian Clevinger

Daredevil by various, Miller, Oneil, Bendis, etc
Thor by JMS
New X-Men by Morrison
Astonishing X-Men by Whedon

Ex Machina by Brian K Vaughn

Astro City

Some of these are great examples of the characters, others are works of substance in their own right.

>Alan Moore

Alan Moore is a fucking horrible writer.

I already did:

What about Punisher: Last man on earth?

You just gave him more ammunition. He's not gonna take anything on that list seriously.

>Alan Moore is a fucking horrible writer.

see
I knew exactly what you were gonna do.

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I know....and yet I have hope, if I reply earnestly and in good faith that perhaps it can change someone's mind.

Well, when you write stuff like this:

Then why can't you understand that people care about the MCU and are passionate about it just like they are with wrestling. It's all good fun.

I respect that. I used to be hopeful when I dealt with these kinds of shitposters too.

This. Them shooting back is a important aspect of being Punisher.

Welcome back was great. The only one he didn't really care about was the Priest, but the Priest didn't clean up the other two.

>people who regurgitate shit they hear from a socialist jew who knows nothing about economics pollute Sup Forums and people seriously respond to the thread