26 years after the end of communism

Anything further away than a few km from the German-Austrian border continues to be shittier poor.

Why? They had time to catch up. Why are they so poor despite the EU?

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Genetics.

Poor because* of the EU, you mean.

This, Anything on that side of the hajnal is simply shitty Europe be it Slav or not be it orthodox Christian or not

Its an extremely collectivist group of people with low IQ's and so that's why some even have worse GDP's now that under communism.

The EU is just a bad idea regardless.

It's honestly one of the reasons I left the damn place almost 3 years ago to become a fucking leaf

Huh, what's that?
I don't speak beaver.

It's funny how people that have absolutely no experience on the East and Central Europe always have an opinion.

Let's take Poland for example. in 1989 Poland was poor as fuck but at the same time we had a lot of industry that was shit but still could produce. We had large coal mines and many other stuff.

What they don't tell you in the West is that in order for East Europe counties to join the Western ones our politicians agreed to destroy our industry so it would not compete with the Western one. From 13% GDP we went to 3% and it's still the biggest one in Europe. Our industry is nonexistent.

Majority (almost all of them) of factories has been a victim of hostile takeovers from foreign companies. They bought the factory. Took away or destroyed the machines and sacked the people. Factory by factory.

Our coal mines due to EU (global warming bullshit) policies has been driven to bankruptcy and then they were bought by Germans. Now Germans are talking about abolishing coal restricting laws. Guess who will now make big bucks on coal mines.

The only thing left for us is service. We are slowly getting there in Poland, but it will still take some time.

Oh and EU ? Don't get me started on that bullshit. Basically Germans tricked almost everyone but that's another thing to talk about.

Im just sorry the soviets didnt have enough time to steamroll over austria

>Majority (almost all of them) of factories has been a victim of hostile takeovers from foreign companies. They bought the factory. Took away or destroyed the machines and sacked the people.
Uhhhm, why would a capitalist company buy a factory to destroy it? Makes no sense.

As to "hostile takeovers" they pretty much don't exist in Europe and you need a stock exchange listed target in the first place.

>Our coal mines due to EU (global warming bullshit) policies has been driven to bankruptcy and then they were bought by Germans.
Last I checked, German companies are desperately trying to sell German coal power plants and German brown coal mines to Polish companies - at a price of 1 Euro.

>Im just sorry the soviets didnt have enough time to steamroll over austria
But they steamrolled over Austria. Half of Austria was Soviet turf, but we killed Stalin in 1953 and then negotiated an agreement which was signed off by the Soviets (we became a cold war buffer zone).

Out of the frying pan and into the fire

implying 26 years will make up for 50 years of stagnation. We're barely half way there, if even that...

>They had time to catch up
You really believe this user? Seriously?

>Why are they so poor despite the EU?

It is a pyramid scheme. Countries that entered the game later will never be allowed to become as rich as core EU countries.

It is the same as the USA/South America situation. The US invested a lot in South America, so a lot of the surplus South American companies make goes back into the US.

>You really believe this user? Seriously?
Yes. I believe that. China could do it.

>hey had time to catch up.
>hey look, these guys had 25 years to catch up to the economics of Europe's major powers that have been the leading countries in the world for centuries

Okay

Aren't Czechs same shit as Austrians genetically?

Why are Spain, West Spain and Southern Italy such a shitholes?

>Countries that entered the game later will never be allowed to become as rich as core EU countries.
Explain Ireland then. Ireland was a poor beggar country and now is the richest country in the EU only second to Luxembourg.

because thats an old old map

>we killed Stalin in 1953

lol

Czechs are Germano-Slavs
Austrian's are Nordic-alpine Germans

Too much mudslime racemixing

Tax dumping, intentional tax law loopholes for international corporations and a real estate bubble. That is the only model countries without functioning industry have left.

Poland will be good when germany is rotting in muslim warfare

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Irish have the IRA and threatened to assassinate the queen if their demands are not met


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>Austrian's are Nordic-alpine Germans
Absolutely!

...

We are catching up.

Indeed you are.
Pic related :^)

>China could do it
china is even poorer and a LOT more fucked up than eastern europe you mongrel

If there's anything I've learned from Sup Forums is a austria is on the same "inellectual" tier as your average burger

Don't judge poverty until you've seen it.

You also have to take into account the lower living costs and other factors like demographics and population mentality.

According to that picture, London is one of the richest places in Europe. But would you live there over, say, Prague or Barcelona?

Thanks

>Uhhhm, why would a capitalist company buy a factory to destroy it? Makes no sense.

Are you stupid? Companies buy up competing factories and shut them down all the time.

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>They had time to catch up
false

Awww yeah, I see Albania is making some progress as well.

Don't worry bro, Georgians are still better than Western Euro scum.

>Yes. I believe that. China could do it.
Yeah. Sure they did. Idk, if you are just shit posting or you are just extreamly stupid. At what fucking cost they did it? Children slave labours? The true is that Estern Europe is doing better than any economist have ever expected. Its easy to brag about how great your county is when you practically didnt see true face of WW2, you didnt experience communism and I bet those juicy dollars from Marshall Plan were delicious.

>2007
>Polish knowledge of geopolitics

Pre-2008 GDP growth means absolute diddly squat

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I recommend looking into this.

>Switzerland and Norway
>Deep, dark red
>Not in EU

Who would've thought guys?

>Are you stupid? Companies buy up competing factories and shut them down all the time.

No they don't. That is absolutely bs. Companies by other companies to gain assets and production capabilities. Shutting down factories that you just bought makes no sense, because other competitors benefit a lot more from such a move.

>Shutting down factories that you just bought makes no sense
It eliminates a competitor while not forcing you to risk stepping foot into markets you have little knowledge about.

Companies literally do that shit all the time. Take EA for example, they buy out a small development studio, fire the people, shut down any game projects no matter how much hype there is, then fire the people working there.

Your snarky remark means squat, if you have any objections then spit them out, maybe I'll learn something new.

To become richer you need either produce something (= compete with already established corporation and trade structures) or join already established economic structure (EU for Poland, as an example).

>>Uhhhm, why would a capitalist company buy a factory to destroy it? Makes no sense.

The entire West has companies. If you don't want to have competitors that are much much cheaper, you just need to buy them and destroy them. If your country supports that, like Germany did, then you can completely dismantle entire sector.

>>As to "hostile takeovers" they pretty much don't exist in Europe and you need a stock exchange listed target in the first place.
Sure, but corrupt government can sell you company that belong to them. In 1989 there were only government owned factories. Socialism invention

>>Last I checked, German companies are desperately trying to sell German coal power plants and German brown coal mines to Polish companies - at a price of 1 Euro.

They are opening coal mine in here and take over others. Remember about the salary for miners. They are cheaper here.

You're right, I'm sorry.
Here's one from 2016

Recent stats don't seem so bad, we had too many habbening in the past.

In 26 years, we can't catch up to the west when it also continues to grow. And the leaf saying that we are poor because of the EU should slap himself considering the eastern part of the EU are the ones who recieve more donations from it.
Also, you must take into account education in economics. In the Czech rep., the transformation from centralized economy to capitalism was a huge mess because none of our politicians really knew how to do it.
There were also language barriers because people spoke mainly russian. English, German or French wasn't as common = less business opportunities.
And finally, in our effort to distance ourselves from communism we strongly focused on humanism, human rights etc. which prevented us from trading with China. It is only now under the current president Zeman, that we've entered the market. I don't like him that much but he's pragmatic enough to understand that values are only abstract obstacles for the naive.

Or go full into service and work for foreign companies and import everything in exchange. This is how Poland right now operates and slowly rebuilds industry.

It's possible because Poland is part of the EU, isnt it? There is literally no economical borders between Poland and Western countries.

Id endorse some Austrian cuties, where do I start?

Countries like croatia and poland were just as long under soviet opression as the other ones, qnd look at the they're fucking thriving

>(((catch up to the west)))
Believe me. You don't want to.

Well EU is our main market, but we also cooperate with Russia, USA, China. There is almost no problem right now for us to make some business. Especially in IT.

Same over here in Croatia, Polska

Good for you. I just hope we won't have any major conflict in this area and in 50 years our children will finally have some decent life.

i don’t get this chart
what is it supposed to say?
we definatly aren’t close to being spaghetti

That's what I've been thiking about. If your living standards come with all the cultural bullshit you have there. Then fuck it. My country isn't as rich as the west but it's not a shithole by any means.

hey im going to Croatia for holidays for a week. Any tips on what not to do?

You really got me thinking, you just watch your stuff on the beach so noone takes it and if you see some shitskins they're not croatian, they're tourists coming from countries like Germany

this

>And the leaf saying that we are poor because of the EU should slap himself

Keep telling yourself that, the post-communism management of a country was complete clusterfuck, industries ruined one by one, almost self sufficient country turned into a trash can of europe. And you would be naive to think EU does not have a hand in further destruction. EU considers everything east of Germany as a mere sub humans that can be exploited or used for their own agenda. Do you remember, when like two years ago the milk was almost 150% the todays price? You know why was that? Because of the EU production restrictions.

Now what about all the food that get's imported here from Poland or Germany? Same brand, same product but the quality is shit. Nobody will respect us untill we start respecting ourselves, we should stop crawling in the ass of west, nothing good will come out of it, they will still treat us as shit slavs, you can see that even on 4chin, even if you put memery aside, they do not consider us their equals.

The Zeman is pragmatic, but look where most of his deals were heading, yep, that's right, east not west.

It's Irony though that I am writing about self respect in english on an american board while trashtalking the west :^)

That is an easy thing to say if you already enjoy western standards of living.

When the iron curtain fell, everybody who didn't want to live in hellhole went west.

My country in particular lost 20% of its people, mostly the young and educated. That was only a generation ago. I'm pretty sure this happened to the other ex-soviets as well.

Can you even imagine losing 20% of your whole nation, taken from the top of the crop?

End globalism, close your fucking borders, send every immigrunt and his children back. See what happens in 4 generations.

Faggots.

I'd try to put a fly in the soup to get a free dinner for a whole family and put a shame on a whole country :^)

>western standards of living
Being molested by Ahmeds and dindus?

Switzerland's Neutrality and Military Vigilance kept it from going bankrupt fighting in the World Wars, and their Free Market policies and economic freedom they are always near the top of the charts. Anyone near them benefits more directly.

Or white people and sheeeit.

I don't know, that surprised me as well.

Niggers can't swim.

Belonging to the EU has nothing to do with prosperity. Lithuania is rife with corruption, so most of the money EU throws at us goes down the drain, i.e. is used to fund inane projects and then pocketed.

The country has no strategy or direction. The government is filled with people who are borderline retarded. The taxes are insanely high yet that does not benefit the general population in any way - the welfare state is simply not sustainable. I could go on and on but everything boils down to corruption or selfishness, incompetence and the inability to see the big picture.

Estonia seems to be the only Baltic state capable of pulling themselves out of the hole. They have a strategy, they are trying to be efficient by cutting down on the number of people employed by the state (the opposite is happening in Lithuania, even though people are emigrating en masse) etc.

youtube.com/watch?v=9-4V3HR696k
Watching this video I realized that Lithuania has a lot more in common with the "typical" poor African countries than the rich European ones. That's how backwards everything is.

You disgust me you fucking animal
It's literally fucking autists who consider this and I know this from in real life experiences, no wonder you live in a 3rd world shithole when you think lile this

>Do you remember, when like two years ago the milk was almost 150% the todays price? You know why was that? Because of the EU production restrictions.
The current low prices of milk are mostly due to ban on exporting it to Russia.
>Zeman is pragmatic, but look where most of his deals were heading, yep, that's right, east not west.
Yes. Because our relations with the east were underdeveloped because we wanted to distance ourselves from communism. "Values", you know?

we are caching up, with 10% flat tax for everyone and everything and 2 million bulgars out of bulgaria with western education, is something that foreing companies have seen.
Right now are being built 2 factories for car parts in my city which looks like a war zone

take a look at this:
jobs.bg/engineering

80% of the job offerts come from big EU/US companies
and what the pole says is true our industry was totally destroyed

I wasn't aware somebody could be this blatantly retarded.
You buy your competitor out and then just close up their shop, because you don't want to have to pay to keep maintaining it when you've already got your own shit.

You liquidize the company to recover what you spent getting it and now you don't have as many competitors. Learn how capitalism works you fuckhead.

wew lad, talk about sense of humour are you croats always this dense?

>Genetics.

You are right, the quality of human resources is the most important factor that can predict the success of a country.

So you have to keep in mind that due to the collapse after communism we experienced a huge brain drain towards the west, which removes significant dynamism and potential in our countries.

Basically it's the same reason why the gap between rich and poor in pretty much all countries is widening - once a process of some colossal scale is under way, a huge change is needed for the trend to be reverted.

Even though we've made some modest "progress" it's basically nothing and there are still rich western countries with higher growth percentage than us even though we should be growing faster than them when starting from a lower point.

I can plainly see in Bulgaria that we are in a dysgenic death spiral, each consequent generation is dumber, more illiterate and less capable than the previous one, not even talking about the worsening ethnic balance (which is largely due to the West forcing us to allow gypsy criminality and to sustain their parasitism while they are popping children)

Good thing is that you will also collapse soon.

If the people with fascist instincts win the coming wars in the future and we go back to the path of eugenic trends, things can change quickly.

...you have an audience.

good luck
>I want you to leave EU
so we can have a "Czeckout"

Yeah, our it is flourish as well (hell, I'm working in it myself). All other parts of the economy - not so much. I guess we will see, since there is a talk about economical reforms in the air right now, after denomination and shit.

Corruption mostly.

But at least the we don't have a snackbar problem and no happenings.

>Why are they so poor despite the EU?

corruption

Well, then how was poland so stupid to join EU?

That sounds like an asshole thing to do

Romanians are the strongest race

>Even though we've made some modest "progress" it's basically nothing
in a decade or so we will be much better off
blogs.vmware.com/careers/2016/04/vmware-office-spotlight-sofia-bulgaria.html

>Today, VMware Bulgaria is home to over 500 employees. As the largest Research & Development site for VMware in EMEA (Europe, Middle East & Africa), VMware Bulgaria boasts some of the best software developers, quality engineers, technical writers and product managers in the world, who are at the forefront of developing key VMware products focused on cloud management and automation.

That is the only thing that could give them a push towards development and gave them reliable allies.

Otherwise, they would be stuck in the same limbo the Ukraine is, between the old Communist world and the Western trade bloc.

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you read my mind Bulgarian, never thought anything smart could come out of a country such as yours

good post

But we try hard to get rid of corruption.

corruption. the communists are still in charge an they steal from the Eu an give nothing back to their country

>Uhhhm, why would a capitalist company buy a factory to destroy it? Makes no sense.

to destroy potential competitor who can produce a lot of cheap shit that can flood your market in china style

>As to "hostile takeovers" they pretty much don't exist in Europe and you need a stock exchange listed target in the first place.

they happened en masse after we joined eu

This. They did it here too. Industry, agriculture, education, sanitation, you name it. they either destroyed it or sold it.

We are servants of the EU providing services for our overlords.

If high IQ is so important then how can US be a somewhere near the top?

Jesus, don't tell me neither of you heard about that like week or two ago. (You)


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This this this, same here in Czechfagistan.