*writes book on economics*

>*writes book on economics*
>REEEEEE HE WAS EVIL AND DEVILISH

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Bourgeois dogs btfo

Not evil, just a retard without a basic understanding of human psychology

Part written by Engels is making more sense, than one written by Marx
t. somewhat commie

>Writes a book
>Book inspires people to murder each other and create economic and political systems that lead to deaths of 100s of millions

>DUDE IT"S JUST A BOOK LOL

R/anarchism tries to infest /his
Fails

R/anarchism makes same mistake with Sup Forums
You're in for a treat

Still better than Bible:^)

>deaths of 100s of millions
>australian flag
>american education

This. Also better than Quran and Wealth of Nations.

Varoufakis (inb4 fedora) explained it very well in his "Erratic Marxist" speech. Marx made two mistakes, one which was forgivable and one which was unforgivable.
> forgivable mistake
Separating human labour and non-human labour as two completely different concepts that cannot be considered one single "work" variable was a huge step forward in economic theory. However, Marx couldn't anticipate that it was such a powerful tool that could be misappropriated.
> unforgivable mistake
It can be shown that you cannot formulate a complete economic theory and a complete mathematical framework for that economic theory at the same time. It's more or less like the Gödel theorem in maths or the uncertainty principle in physics. Marx KNEW THIS (as you can see in late editions of Das Kapital) and still went on formulating his theory of socialism with both social economy and maths.

Ah yes, I’m sure you’re quite the accomplished economist yourself.
>marx
>anarchism
Kill yourself.
Also,
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Have you tried 9gag?

He didn't kill anyone by his own hands. He just hated fags and latinos. Stalin also didn't kill anyone by his own hands. He just broke some people faces with hammer during bank robbery and used to beat up people when he was young.

But their choices caused deaths of millions that's why they are considered killers.

t. ustase

I don't need to be an expert on anything to realize that communism goes against a primal rooted human need of a hierarchical structure and will thus always be inferior to capitalism in work output and scientific progression.

Not to mention most communists are that way because they are hiding something from themselves and aren't in tune with their inner self

>muh human nature
Stopped reading.

That's not how godel theorem works

objectively true dumb russian

Stay stupid lol. The only function of communism today is being the shadow of capitalism, and at least in europe we have struck that balance. People who still aren't satisfied with our system are just looking for excuses for their own shortcomings

That’s not what objective means.

>everyone who disagrees with me is stupid and dumb and propably a loser as well
A stunning argument from the German delegation.

>just economics
>"we communists must take power by force"

I'm currently reading The Capital of the 21st century by Piketty and I'm respecting Marx's original work now more than ever, even though some of his conclusions are admittedly false.

But in any case, Marx was more correct than that US cold-war propagandist Kuznets.

what are you a fucking dictionary?

>>everyone who disagrees with me is stupid and dumb and propably a loser as well

Exactly.

hes book is still right

The real face of current /AfD/ germany and their self-declared defenders of the western civilization.

Thank science (and not god /fedora) that I have left that dysfunctional shithole.

communism can only happen fulll capitalism

>>"we communists must take power by force"
The class of the bourgeoisie is unlikely to want to give up its property without a revolution

It was the same with the feudal lords. (We recall the bourgeois revolution)

Compared to the communistic heaven that is japan? Lmao

>we have struck that balance
Lol no. The current system is untenable, it just hasn't collapsed yet.

How so? It worked fine before the influx of refugees who will largely be unemployed. Kick them out or cut benefits, easy

In the long run we're all dead anyway.

>fertility below replacement rate
>old farts living longer and longer
>productive age largely the same
>economies and economic policies still set for expansion
The writing is on the wall

>fertility below replacement rate
>old farts living longer and longer
>productive age largely the same
These are concerns that need and are being adressed. To talk of collapse is pessimistic and honestly retarded considering what we went trough in the past.
>economies and economic policies still set for expansion
I'm gonna trust economists on that rather than some random from the internet

>are being adressed
With band-aids like raising retirement age instead of systematic overhaul.

>considering what we went trough in the past
We never went through something like this

>I'm gonna trust economists
An economist is an expert who will know tomorrow why the things he predicted yesterday didn't happen today.
t. Laurence J. Peter

I've studied economy and trusting economists is retarded. Also saying you trust economists is retarded when you don't specify which ones.

>I'm gonna trust economists on that rather than some random from the internet
Economists are delusional shits who think that brown person raised in Germany will be equal to german.

>We never went through something like this
We had large parts of the male working population wiped out twice in the last century...

he was p stupid and anytime someone tried to put his works into practice something terrible has always happened

His major mistake was going into what should be done about the systems he was describing. He would have been fine if he'd just described capitalism without writing a manifesto.

By conflict. Which is entirely different since fertility didn't change.

>muh special website
XDDD

Tbh, Marxism is antiquated and made specifically for the revolutionary 19th century social conditions of unregulated capitalism and syndicalist struggles. Most of the times it has been tried to be implemented it had to be completely revised or modified, like in the case of the USSR which turned out to be an hyperbureaucratic society ruled by nomenklatura members (essentially an upper class) or the agrarian/anti-imperialist focused view of Maoism. You see then, most of Marxist proponent end altering the ideology for their own purposes, to the point that you see modern Socialist advocates promoting POC and LGBT rights despite it being an unrelated issue to the classical concept of Marxist ideology.

Pic kind of related

>executes some land barons and slaveholders for treating their (literal) slaves like shit
>REEEEE HE WAS A GENOCIDAL MURDERER WORSE THAN STALIN

>HE WAS EVIL AND DEVILISH
No, he was just jewish (though that's the same as evil)

>tfw you realise guns don't kill but books do

Funny thing is, Marx is and will be the most remembered economist in history.

All the others have come and gone and their theories have all proven false and inaccurate over time. But not Marx's.

>tfw safety squads become Fahrenheit 451 units

>Death of gazillions

He overthrowed legitimate government because he was a sore loser.

...

In his poem The Pale Maiden, he writes:
Thus heaven I’ve forfeited, I know it full well.
My soul, once true to God, is chosen for hell.

Do you like his poems? I think this one is pretty good.

>Hitler
>only 14 million

60 million people died in WWII

If you are going to count ever death under the watch of Stalin and Mao, you have to do the same for Hitler.

> all deaths from Chinese civil war and Japanese occupation of China can be attributed to Mao's genocidal gommies
user, I...

Two ww2 enemies, two cold war enemies
One colonialist in the top 5.
Totally us-unbiased

(you)

Doesn't make sense. Gommunism is the most Christian political ideology. Jesus was all about denouncing wealth. He literally said that rich people will not enter heaven because they were too materialistic. He also preached sharing wealth with others. He gave a sound beating to the capitalists in the temple as well.

marx was the most useless neet in the human history

>He gave a sound beating to the capitalists in the temple as well.
Because they were doing business in a place dedicated to prayer, not because he was a commie.

I wonder how the US ranks, if we include all the baddies that they have been supporting since forever.

Just today, there is an article about the result of the battle of Mosul. 9000 civilian deaths. All the US's fault.

>a country is the same as a dictator

The entire communist theory can be debunked by three sandwiches.

No, it's worst.

At least the Russians can say they have clean hands because they were under a dictatorship.

The Americans are pleased to vote for a foreign policy that keeps killing millions abroad. The Americans cannot clean their hands just as easily.

Eggsplain.

>every death that occurs within the borders of a country can be attributed to the leader of said country

yes, when the state chooses to become a central planner and allocate resources/plan production theyre responsible for the outcomes of production

>The Americans are pleased to vote for a foreign policy that keeps killing millions abroad. The Americans cannot clean their hands just as easily.

This. I remember the clamoring for Iraq war. Shit was nuts, Americans all over the place were gripped in a bloodthirsty fury. No rational argument could get through to them.

The same shit happened under capitalism as well. You should know more than anyone because it happened in your country, amongst others.

because of state policies

It's not only in the USA. The majority consciously rejects logic, people vote according to their feelings. That's the main problem with liberal democracy.

Communism is based on the theory that the capitalist somehow steals surplus value from the worker and that value is based on how much work went into making something.

Now, let's say you are really hungry. The first sandwich you buy is worth a lot to you. The second not so much and the third even less. Value is not dependant on the work, it's dependant on the needs and wants of those who consume the product.

I remember that too. Some nutcase killed 2000 Americans and suddenly they wanted who countries destroyed, even though they were unrelated to anything that happened.

Meanwhile, everywhere America troops step, thousands of civilians die, and Americans wonder why others hate them.

Yeah, but they were western sanctioned actions. And really, even if the producers were acting freely, they'd still sell their potatoes abroad, because it is be more profitable than donating them to people who cannot pay for them.

It would also require a state to get those potatoes to starving Irish people.

agreed, but that's far more a legal than an economic problem
i'm not a libertarian

The Labour Theory of Value is a moral arguement. It is not about exchange value. It does not say what something is worth on a market. It says what something should be worth. As a moral argument it is not wrong. It is easy to see that exchange value alone is a stupid metric by which to reward people for their work.

Just look at all the lazy NEETs who became multimillionaires by doing nothing other than investing $1000 in Bitcoin in 2011. They now get to live a life of luxury. Meanwhile countless billions of people have been toiling all their lives for a measly retirement nest egg that will barely see them through till their death.

Sounds fair.

That's because there are literal billions of nobodies good for nothing else but toiling hard. If you want good pay, do something others can't do. If you do something a trained monkey can do, expect a monkey's payment.

Whether people hate or like Marx, his idea is gaining more and more popularity around the world.

>as a moral argument it is not wrong
there is no morality involved
the manual labour of workers is worth nothing because it is meaningless grunt labour that can be done by anyone
managers are paid what they are because only a limited number of people have the cognitive ability their job requires, and the consequences of their failure is huge compared to labourers

Even MDs and engineers gets to suffer the same fate.

There is nothing fair about this retarded system that rewards luck.

You are missing the point. Even professions with $100k/year income have to work hard all their lives.

Why should some NEET end up with $5M in the bank for doing nothing other than getting lucky?

Why should we reward luck?

>rewards luck
Yes, nobody is in full control of his life. This is something so basic that only a communist would think of questioning it.

Ok, stop valuing bitcoin so high and convince others to stop doing so. He's rich because others think what he has has value. It's literally not about rewarding him, it's about wanting to have what he has.

why should we not? your decision to make speculative investments is yours and yours alone, you can obviously lose 5 million just as easily as you can gain 5mil
it only becomes a problem when it generates externalities for other people

>Yes, nobody is in full control of his life. This is something so basic that only a communist would think of questioning it.

But why shouldn't we be? Because the current lucky winners don't like it? The fact remains that it is a stupid system. You really cannot justify it otherwise.

>why should we not?

Because it is not fair.

>when it generates externalities for other people

That is always the case.

>write about how much the bourgeois are born into privilege, exploit the poor and do not work
>be bourgeois, born into privelege, never worked a day in your life, have 0 practical understanding of economics and write a book to exploit the poor

King of Brainlets

>But why shouldn't we be?
Because it's utterly pointless since removing outside influence on life is impossible.
>it's a stupid system
It's the only possible system
>justify
>fair
There is no objective criteria for these, it's 100% MUH FEELS

The thought that the difficulty of the work should merit a higher reward is retarded. It takes me a lot of effort to shit when I'm constipated yet that doesn't mean my shit is suddenly super valuable.

Marx and von Westphalen had seven children together, but partly owing to the poor conditions in which they lived whilst in London, only three survived to adulthood.[182] The children were: Jenny Caroline (m. Longuet; 1844–1883); Jenny Laura (m. Lafargue; 1845–1911); Edgar (1847–1855); Henry Edward Guy ("Guido"; 1849–1850); Jenny Eveline Frances ("Franziska"; 1851–1852); Jenny Julia Eleanor (1855–1898) and one more who died before being named (July 1857). There are allegations that Marx also fathered a son, Freddy,[183] out of wedlock by his housekeeper, Helene Demuth.[184]

Marx frequently used pseudonyms, often when renting a house or flat, apparently to make it harder for the authorities to track him down. While in Paris, he used that of "Monsieur Ramboz", whilst in London he signed off his letters as "A. Williams". His friends referred to him as "Moor", owing to his dark complexion and black curly hair, while he encouraged his children to call him "Old Nick" and "Charley".[185] He also bestowed nicknames and pseudonyms on his friends and family as well, referring to Friedrich Engels as "General", his housekeeper Helene as "Lenchen" or "Nym", while one of his daughters, Jennychen, was referred to as "Qui Qui, Emperor of China" and another, Laura, was known as "Kakadou" or "the Hottentot".[185]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx#Family

3 of his sons died because he needed to create a ideology that killed millions later (wow man he wasn't evil)

Life isn't fair get used to it.

Investment is half luck and half being smart and actually doing it. The reason the rich stay rich is because they know how to handle money while poor people don't have a fucking clue.

You can whine about X being better off than you but that's life, again. A guy gets through life winning bets, gaining promotions and dodging bullets while another chum works to the bone and is the first to die in a war. Tough luck welcome to life.

Hopefully. Marx's biggest weakness is people are quick to misrepresent him and dismiss his analysis out of hand based on name recognition alone. After a critical amount of people start reading Capital I'd like to think we could at least have an argument about the problems in capitalism without "why should everyone be payed the same?!?" memes.

> fair
The problem with capitalism isn't that it's unfair. Marx didn't give a shit about what is "fair". The problem is that it's irrational. People may not buy caps when it's sunny, but buy them when it's cloudy because it's fashionable to wear a cap. Or because a famous footballer's name is written on the cap. Banks will lend you money that doesn't exist but that you owe them - in fact, world debt is three times larger than actual money in existence. Supply and demand will make a business crash in a matter of days for no reason but fluctuations in the stock market. Marx encountered a much more primitive version of the capitalism we know in modern times, and he already pointed out that the main problem with this system is that it's illogical.

That would be (You).

>it's illogical
It's as logical as those in the system.

And who was it that cultivated and supported Marx? Was it people who agreed with his ideology and wished to implement it? NO, it was as you may have guess it, monarchist ANGLO-SAXONS

>This. Also better than Quran and Wealth of Nations.
In what sense? The tree books you mentioned are more influential to human history than his book. And that is pretty fucking impressive because the capital is one hell of an influential book.

>cultivated and supported Marx
>Marx was poor as fuck
Step out of the sun, Bruce (although you are probably some shitty diaspora anyway)

mad @nglo pedophile diaspora in czech republic to fuck underage prostitutes detected

>get corrected on wrongful reasoning
>lash out violently
Yep, shitty diaspora discovered and btw rozflákám ti ciferník, vole.

>violently

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Ah, sorry, I was thinking I was replying to a human being, my mistake. Continue to throw feces.

>my wh*Te ass is on fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiire

why do wh*Te retards resort to calling people subhuman? you are literally cumskin snowniggers with 0 achievements other than stealing BLACKnology from our ancient empires (moorish caliphate, greece, rome, egypt, etc). What's more you are the slaves of Finngol master race, who BTFO you guys over 40 times throughout history and raped your women. Fucking pathetic cracKKKer that thinks he is related to anglos and thus must take offense when in reality he's some nobody poor cracKKKer that is afraid of dying from skin cancer. lmaoooo

Provisional government was unelected and without much popular support. Lenin did nothing wrong.

>"I FUCKING HATE WORK AND YOU BETTER HATE WORK TOO RRREEEEEEEEE"
>When confronted with how bullshit this is, he does another asspull by saying that not only is this a certainty, it's scientifically proven
>But not by any science, no, HIS science!
>tfw to intelligent to smart