Was Nedry just greedy and wanted more money, or was Hammond actually underpaying his employees?
Was Nedry just greedy and wanted more money, or was Hammond actually underpaying his employees?
Could be both or neither. It's truly a mystery
Considering Jackson called typing a password hacker shit I think Nedry was probably sick of taking up his slack
Behind the plush toys, real dinosaurs, and chili and sea bass, Hammond was a tightwad. Best he could do was fat ass Nedry who instantly betrayed him. Bravo.
Read the book
They WERE underpaid, but to be fair his company submitted a really low bid to undercut competitors
He was definitely underpaying him. The money for all the chili and sea bass had to come from somewhere
That negro is literally playing computer chess on company time
Y'all implying Nedry didn't negotiate his salary before starting work?
Technically, guessing passwords is still hacking though.
no user it's really not
But, it's also mentioned that InGen was constantly giving them deliberately vague guidelines as to what they wanted, and then abusing the wording of the contract to have Nedry's company constantly do work under the guise of "you guys messed it up, now fixed it".
>it's an old person underestimates the need and value of technology they dont understand episode
happens every day
He was a significant member of staff, and John Hammond specifically says they "spared no expense", which you would assume extends to the employee salaries. It's then a safe guess to say that Nedry was just a greedy bastard
The key, missing piece of information is what would qualify as "underpaying"
Who the fuck thinks "Chili and Sea Bass" sounds appetizing when they're all outside simmering in the humid tropical heat? I'd want a glass of lemonade or something shit
Yah bro Hammond-who-created-the-real dinosaurs was such a luddite lmao
Couldn't use AOL
Didn't he have some sort of problem?
it would fall under a brute-force attack, which is
a common process in most everyday hacks.
he didn't do dick, he just paid people to do shit
dinosaur steve jobs
yeah he was a fat sack of shit
But he couldn't see. He couldn't see anything, and his terror was extreme. He stretched out his hands, waving them wildly in the air to ward off the attack he knew was coming.
And then there was a new, searing pain, like a fiery knife in his belly, and Nedry stumbled, reaching blindly down to touch the ragged edge of his shirt, and then a thick, slippery mass that was surprisingly warm, and with horror he suddenly knew he was holding his own intestines in his hands. The dinosaur had torn him open. His guts had fallen out.
Nedry fell to the ground and landed on something scaly and cold, it was the animal's foot, and then there was new pain on both sides of his head. The pain grew worse, and as he was lifted to his feet he knew the dinosaur had his head in its jaws, and the horror of that realization was followed by a final wish, that it would all be ended soon.
you can't brute force manually
>he didn't even touch a brick or trowel, all he did was have the vision, put together the team, and get the financing necessary to achieve his goal
C'mon, nigger. You don't really need this explained, do you?
wot if u could tho
user, you don't know shit.
Hacking could be just asking someone for their password when you aren't authorized to use it. Whatever works.
It's not all quickly typing up programs to take advantage of exploits discovered by the NSA while dramatic music plays in the background.
>using modernized pleb definitions
underage pls go
wot if u could hack a door down with a wet paper towel
still amounts to guessing passwords, albeit exhaustively.
Scared the shit out of as a kid. Jesus.
In the novel, he is contracted by InGen to design the computer system and they are paying him based on a vague project description involving general programming even though he is a central programmer for the entire park's facilities.
He was coerced by InGen to fix the numerous bugs and glitches for free because the project was much more complex than they had stated. The reason why he is able to bypass gate security so easily is because it is a system bug he intentionally never fixed.
Nedry was underpaid in the novel and this is a theme of the work (compensate the person who keeps you safe well), but it's uncertain if the movie character was just greedy.
Kek that's old school as fuck
As am I
kill yourself
>Was Nedry just greedy and wanted more money, or was Hammond actually underpaying his employees?
yes
posting all nedry related text
>Dennis Nedry yawned. He’d long ago concluded that InGen must be doing something like this. A couple of years earlier, when InGen had hired Nedry to design the park control systems, one of the initial design parameters called for data records with 3 × 109 fields. Nedry just assumed that was a mistake, and had called Palo Alto to verify it. But they had told him the spec was correct. Three billion fields.
>Nedry had worked on a lot of large systems. He’d made a name for himself setting up worldwide telephone communications for multinational corporations. Often those systems had millions of records. He was used to that. But InGen wanted something so much larger.…
...
>Barney frowned. “You operating under an ND?”
>“Yes,” Nedry said. Most of his jobs required nondisclosure agreements.
>“Can you tell me anything?”
>“It’s a bioengineering firm.”
>“Bioengineering,” Barney said. “Well, there’s the obvious…”
>“Which is?”
>“A DNA molecule.”
>“Oh, come on,” Nedry said. “Nobody could be analyzing a DNA molecule.”
WITH JEWS YOU LOSE
>mash fingers on keyboard
>look mom im a leet hacker now
What's your problem?
>It had taken him and his programming team more than a year, and it was especially difficult because the company wouldn’t ever tell him what the subsystems were for. The instructions were simply “Design a module for record keeping” or “Design a module for visual display.” They gave him design parameters, but no details about use. He had been working in the dark. And now that the system was up and running, he wasn’t surprised to learn there were bugs. What did they expect? And they’d ordered him down here in a panic, all hot and bothered about “his” bugs. It was annoying, Nedry thought.
Nedry underbid and he has to suffer for it, thats why you never go lowest bidder
Yeah the book makes InGen out to look like the typical dick 90's tech company like Apple or Oracle, while the film made it seem like Nedry was greedy (or blew his initial payment on drugs and hookers)
sounds like there was blame to go around
>When he had arrived, Dennis Nedry had been under the impression that he could make all the fixes himself over the weekend. He had paled when he saw the full listing. Now he was calling his office in Cambridge, telling his staff programmers they were going to have to cancel their weekend plans and work overtime until Monday. And he had told John Arnold that he would need to use every telephone link between Isla Nublar and the mainland just to transfer program data back and forth to his programmers.
Hacking used to mean something, looking up your mums middle name and where you were born in facebook isn't the hacking that this 90s flick should refer to
oh here we go
>The problems with the security system were high on Jurassic Park’s bug list. Nedry wondered if anybody ever imagined that it wasn’t a bug—that Nedry had programmed it that way. He had built in a classic trap door. Few programmers of large computer systems could resist the temptation to leave themselves a secret entrance. Partly it was common sense: if inept users locked up the system—and then called you for help—you always had a way to get in and repair the mess. And partly it was a kind of signature: Kilroy was here.
>And partly it was insurance for the future. Nedry was annoyed with the Jurassic Park project; late in the schedule, InGen had demanded extensive modifications to the system but hadn’t been willing to pay for them, arguing they should be included under the original contract. Lawsuits were threatened; letters were written to Nedry’s other clients, implying that Nedry was unreliable. It was blackmail, and in the end Nedry had been forced to eat his overages on Jurassic Park and to make the changes that Hammond wanted.
But later, when he was approached by Lewis Dodgson at Biosyn, Nedry was ready to listen. And able to say that he could indeed get past Jurassic Park security. He could get into any room, any system, anywhere in the park. Because he had programmed it that way. Just in case.
Well Nedry still betrayed Hammond. Then again it sounds like Hammond was to blame for low balling the project and then dumping it on Nedry who obviously didn't have the capacity to deliver a safe product. The fact he then stabbed Hammond on the back was almost the inevitable outcome
you post like a hyperbolic nigger
>Nedry
anagrams to
>Nerdy
Really makes me think.
>It was a good plan, a clever plan. Nedry’d worked on it carefully, refining every detail. This plan was going to make him a million and a half dollars, one point five meg. That was ten years of income in a single tax-free shot, and it was going to change his life. Nedry’d been damned careful, even to the point of making Dodgson meet him in the San Francisco Airport at the last minute with an excuse about wanting to see the money. Actually, Nedry wanted to record his conversation with Dodgson, and mention him by name on the tape. Just so that Dodgson wouldn’t forget he owed the rest of the money, Nedry was including a copy of the tape with the embryos. In short, Nedry had thought of everything.
>Except this damned storm.
would you do it?
There was a non zero chance Hammond would later feed him to the velociraptors for betraying him so no
>CHILI AND SEA BASS XD
leave
you are a retard.
Hammond clearly states frequently they, "spared no expense."
Why would their IT department be an exception or was he overcompensating?
Fat people are greedy by nature. I'd trust Jew over a lardass.
Did Nedry ever admit how much he was being paid? Obviously the contract was less than 1 million USD in 1993 money.
>unreliable narrator
ironically in the book that phrase is only mentioned once and it's not even hammond who says it
It seemed like he could've gotten a lot more than 1.5 million for all that dino dna
How is that irony?
In 1990 US dollars that's closer to 3 million, tax free.
because the signature line of the movie that all these arguments center around is hammond saying "we spared no expense"
when in the source it's a complete throwaway line by the park publicist
Still not irony, not even in the lose way we've allowed society to broadly interpret.
Lmao get a load of this faggot
it is the colloquial use of irony where it is allowed to mean "anything i fucking want"
...
It was his reason in the book , where Hammond is a complete fucking cunt
Book Hammond hates his grandkids, treats employees like shit, and is an selfish ego maniac and dies horribly
So Nedrys reason for betrayl does not translate as well to the movie where Hammond is a nice old happy grandpa
also Nedrys book death is fucking haunting, christ
fuck off reddit nigger
>purposely low balls his bid and overpromises
>personally takes on more work than he can handle
>builds in a backdoor to rob them from day one
failing to see how he's any more sympathetic in the book
>But he couldn't see.
>He couldn't see anything, and his terror was extreme.
>He stretched out his hands, waving them wildly in the air to ward off the attack he knew was
coming.
>And then there was a new, searing pain, like a fiery knife in his belly, and Nedry stumbled,
reaching blindly down to touch the ragged edge of his shirt, and then a thick, slippery mass that
was surprisingly warm, and with horror he suddenly knew he was holding his own intestines in his hands. The dinosaur had torn him open. His guts had fallen out.
>Nedry fell to the ground and landed on something scaly and cold, it was the animal's foot, and
then there was new pain on both sides of his head. The pain grew worse, and as he was lifted to
his feet he knew the dinosaur had his head in its jaws, and the horror of that realization was
followed by a final wish, that they would one day do this to the Jews.
Jesus, Crichton.
you may not like it, but this is what peak kino allegory looks like
He was being underpaid but he was a contractor and he bid for the job.
I can't remember if it was a bait and switch job description on Hammond's part in the book but overall in the book Hammond is actually just a super jew.
What exactly was Nedry's job? He complains about doing lines of code for the job bid. What exactly is it?
it says in the book that InGen was super secretive about what the systems would actually be used for, which made it more difficult to code them to vague requests
i heard muldoon doesnt die in the book? confirm?
>dat Chrichton writing
He was an artist when it came to cheesy page-turners
yeah, he even blows away a couple raptors with a shotgun
i did that when I was a kid and got stuck
I dont remember , I dont think he does
However Malcom DOES die in the first book, and his death is quite detailed
but then he just gets better for the second book and shows up again anyway handwaving his own death away
He was apparently the principal... Only? ... Contractor for the entire security grid
He OD on morphine, not necessarily dead
It's pretty hard to be tempted given how Nedry ended up (in the book and the movie)
All this time I thought he said "chillian sea bass" and thought it was some excoriated shit
Given all the fuck ups they made building the park i'd say the latter
>In fact, the bug list now ran to more than 130 items, and included many odd aspects. For example:
>The animal-feeding program reset itself every twelve hours, not every twenty-four hours, and would not record feedings on Sundays. As a result, the staff could not accurately measure how much the animals were eating.
>The security system, which controlled all the security-card-operated doors, cut out whenever main power was lost, and did not come back on with auxiliary power. The security program only ran with main power.
>The physical conservation program, intended to dim lights after 10:00 p.m., only worked on alternate days of the week.
>The automated fecal analysis (called Auto Poop), designed to check for parasites in the animal stools, invariably recorded all specimens as having the parasite Phagostomum venulosum, although none did. The program then automatically dispensed medication into the animals’ food. If the handlers dumped the medicine out of the hoppers to prevent its being dispensed, an alarm sounded which could not be turned off.
>And so it went, page after page of errors. When he had arrived, Dennis Nedry had been under the impression that he could make all the fixes himself over the weekend. He had paled when he saw the full listing.
Oh shit so Nedry was the fixer
it's funny some of the techie stuff chricton gets into in the novel
goes through Nedry's whole command prompt history for the day and explains who his "object" file creates the backdoor
I've had chilean sea bass before, it almost went extinct cuz of JP.
So who were the prime coders? Some Indian guys?
"Spared no expense" my ass.
>guys you think the stability of the system that protects us from ancient killing machines is important?
>fuck it, we'll do it live
oh what?? he lived???? what the fuck
he worked for "Integrated Computer Systems, Inc" and was listed as project supervisor
book also says he was hired "a couple of years earlier to design the park control systems"
>And he had gone back and designed the control systems. It had taken him and his programming team more than a year, and it was especially difficult because the company wouldn’t ever tell him what the subsystems were for. The instructions were simply “Design a module for record keeping” or “Design a module for visual display.” They gave him design parameters, but no details about use. He had been working in the dark. And now that the system was up and running, he wasn’t surprised to learn there were bugs. What did they expect? And they’d ordered him down here in a panic, all hot and bothered about “his” bugs. It was annoying, Nedry thought.
sounds like some Tata consulting services type shit
this deserves a (you)
come on /tv this man tracked down the page of the book and typed out this answer. give him a few you's
kill yourself youngfag
>Picture of 3 dimensional chess in the background
You know, now that I think of it.. isnt normal chess 4 dimensional? Since turns are involved it has an aspect of time. And its played in with 3 dimensional pieces so its at least a 3 dimensional game. I dont know where I was going with this.
the only people who die in the book were hammond malcolm nedry and the chink scientist.
the lawyer who leaves the kids and gets eaten by the T-Rex was actually a ripped dude who survives and helps Ellie and Grant infiltrate a raptor nest at the end of the book
Hammond was a dumb ass if he hired Nedry again after his team of Fuck ups coded the shit control systems before. Fucking rehires the guy who fucked it up expecting him to de- un-fuck it up?
>(you)
fuck off reddit
probably wanted to involve as few people as possible given all the NDAs
every coder knows if your system requirements are shit you're going to get a lot of bugs and fuckups
narrate the book user
your easy to read and impeccably formatted green texted exerts are heaven to my eyes
>hire a different guy to unfuck somebody's shit
>it takes him months before he understands the code
Already been said but kys yourself. The qoute has already been posted more than once in the thread anyway.
I read the book, Nedry bid low for the contract and didn't realize how much work it would take. He screwed himself and Hammond threatened to sue if he didn't complete the contract.
So sorta both.
Did integrated computer systems even sign NDA s? It sounded like they didn't know what the actual project was in 1989, ie, before Hammond rehired Nedry in 1990 to fix the system