Why haven't Islam been secularized like Christianity in Europe?

Why haven't Islam been secularized like Christianity in Europe?

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But there are secular Muslims.

Because of us 2bh.

In Europe nationalistic identity replaced religious identity. In MENA we crushed the Arab pride in our wars, so instead of bearing the shame they prefered to return to Islamic identity and fap to its grorious past.

Not enough

that doesn't work for all the muslims, some have never been in contact with jews, like indonesians

i think the main difference with christianity is the education with it, muslims today are more conservative than christians

Or maybe being in Europe. Muslim Albanians and Bosnians ARE secular

Indonesians were far less conservative back then, shit's getting hot here started after the pan-islamists export their ideology here

Secularism is a codeword for being a jewish slave

wew, the ones(albanians and kosovars) i know here are really conservative
that's sad :/

There was never an arab pride, the first palestinian war was panislamic and the baathist generals that were sucking mustafa kemal's dick managed to stay in power by leader the jihad against jews, once they dealt peace with them arabs overthrew theme for real islamists

Because they go to conservative mosques and live around conservative people

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>(((déclaration universelle des droits de l'homme)))

Yes there was. If Arabs wanted pan-Islamic state why rebel against Ottomans? Unification feelings were pan-Arabic after the collapse of the Ottomans. More proof to that is Egypt declaring itself as Arabic Republic and not Islamic. But its defeat crushed the pan-Arab superstate dream, making Arabs return to Islamism.

*cough cough malaysia cough cough*

You can be panislamist without wanting a global caliphate, but by liberating muslim people and creating muslim states just like Afghanistan or chechenya

Arabs uprised against ottomans because they werent descent from qoraych and because the Secularism and turkish nationalism in the ottoman empire made them unlegitimate to be khilafs. And they planned to steal arab oil too.

And egypt declared itself arabic republic after 1952 when the baathist generals overthrew the King of egypt, as i said earlier they stayed in power because they lead the jihad against jews but got overthrown after they dealt peace with them (thats why sadat got killed after the camp david deal)

Is it true that the 2004 tsunami made Aceh go full autist with muh prophet?

This.
Arabs got a massive inferiority complex.

t North African

muslims are retards thats why

fuck all mate as seen literally 2 days ago in flinders street

We're not a cuck to jewry. I'll kill seculars that plays fire with Islam. Insya'Allah.

Wahhabism funding by the wealthy Saudis in recent decades surely plays a role here

As opposed to being an eternal slave to an ancient Jewish deity? Fuck me, you Abrahamic lot sure lack self awareness.

Because Islam is by nature is very expansive. Once you have them around in your population expect them to dominate soon.
No.

They were full autist before, tsunami actually calmed them down because it destroyed the rebel bases

Had to look this up.
abc.net.au/news/2017-12-21/melbourne-car-crash-flinders-street-station-witness-accounts/9280770
Shit, wonder how long it took people to realise the guy wasn't just your typical fucking awful city driver. No one was killed, which is pretty damn lucky.
>has been charged with 18 counts of attempted murder.
>also facing one count of conduct endangering life
Top kek, I'm sure trying to mow down people at 80km/h and hitting, what, 18 of them is more than just one count of endangering life.

>If Arabs wanted pan-Islamic state why rebel against Ottomans?

Not all of them rebelled against the Ottomans, the saudis weren't in an area controlled by Ottomans and the largest Arab tribe was allied with the Ottomans at the time.

The rest only got independence because they had British funding and the Ottoman empire collapsed after WW1, before that it was just guerilla attacks by a few small forces supported by the british. The fall of the Ottoman Empire is entirely on the Young Turk Nationalist Party that favored discriminating against anyone that didn't associate with their movement and finally Mustafa Kemal for using Islamist rhetoric up until the point he didn't need them any more and formally dismantled the Empire despite the Ottomans having beat back the British.

In short, everything that happens/happened in the region is, of course, caused by the British Empire and the eternal Anglo meme. People were living peacefully in the area before the fragmenting and supporting of certain tribal groups.

thisbut mostly the west did the dignity stomping, britain in our case

would retards march down your land and take you in chains to be sold in baghdad?
which wil be done again soon
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They promised to arabs a kingdom that went from maccah to jerusalem and governed by a qoraychi, but they also let the jews settle in Palestine and promised them a state after WW2, thats where it all begins

The thing is, it isn't even the Jews fault, it's the fault of a few aristocratic retards from post-feudal europe playing armchair grand-strategy general IRL/ They attempt to genocide the jews and then fuck up the whole middle east because of their 'mistake' (haha ooops).

I know right, but its not like jews refused it, they just repeat the sufferings they endured

America sabotaged the leftist intelligencia of majority muslim countries through bribery and assassination.

This but not for exactly those reasons. The Muslim world did only undergo the enlightenment in a limited fashion and in cultural centers in the Levant and Turkey so traditional religion was still very strongly rooted in large sectors of society when the cold war got started. This didn't stop Arab nationalists from embracing the same type of socialist idealism that was also common in other places around the world, hence the Ba'ath movement in much of the Arab world. Enter the convergence of Israeli interests looking to hurt an ideology hostile to them (Arafat and PLO were originally secularist and left leaning) and Americans fighting Soviet/Commies and you've got the West allying with religious conservatives in the Sunni world and allowing the poison of Saudi Wahabism to take root in areas which had traditions of laicism dating back to the Ottoman era.

Long story short, the US supported religious groups like the Taliban in Afghanistan as means to fight Soviet influence.

They created the monster of Islamic radicalism through their own hubris, had Arabs and Muslims been allowed to go through a natural socialist phase in order to address the deep inequalities in their region Islam would've been defanged, but the spice must flow, Arab oil was always a curse for the region.

Islamic civilization was basically destroyed in order to serve the narrow interests of two nations, what survives is in the grips of a death cult that's now a threat to mankind as a whole.

a tiny minority whose insistence on subscribing to a general islamic identity for historic/cultural reasons provides a breeding ground for true muslims (i.e. ones faithful to the scriptures of the quran and hadith)

see kemalists in turkey for an example
they are making a rod for their own back by referring to themselves as muslim, for these reasons
their more devout fellow muslims are gradually eroding the secular state and they are too stupid to see it

>natural socialist phase
There is nothing natural about socialism. Especially when Soviets are involved.

It's where they were headed on their own, my country had a socialist revolution (pre-Soviet and not influenced by them) and that did allow us to skip the history of coups and juntas that was central and south America in the 20th century.

A secularist Muslim world, even if it had been badly screwed by socialists, would be a much better scenario than what they have now.

>on their own
They never were on their own, they were always pawns in someone else's game.

they didn't have freemasons

sukarno closed all the freemason lodges when he became president. BASED COMMIE

Bangladesh or tamil bricklayer is a million times cheaper than freemason.

because the G.L.A havent won yet

youtu.be/OBm2mz3IHoM?t=2097

And so now everyone suffers in the Middle East.

Millions dead and there are people from the countries which caused said calamities that wonder "why do they dislike us?" While those that dislike them wonder why they still attempt to enforce their backwards colonial borders by force and bloodshed.