>Men with power obey neither policy nor principle. No one is different. No one is Neutral. >I want to ask him which lives count, and which lives do not >Few seconds of new footage in Africa, scene already makes 100% more sense than the theatrical cut >Supes actually didn't just leave the Senate after the bomb went off, but stayed and helped the survivors despite protesters outside. >Clark actually learns from citizens of Gotham why Batman has become much more frightening.
>mfw this less than 2 minute trailer made one of the films major themes and several of the plot points way clearer than the actual theatrical cut
There's a sizeable amount of people who had issues with the film because it was lacking plot coherency, character development and had bad editing and flow as the main culprits (that's where I stand)
For those people, the Ultimate Cut definitely seems like it'll be a better movie.
If you dislike the overall tone and the angle Snyder has on the characters, then yeah I can see people still hating it.
Gabriel Cruz
>Lads, I'm actually looking forward to this. Nigga, it's still Znyderseid
Colton Morgan
If the movie isn't jarring to watch and actually paces itself properly with this cut, it'll likely go from a 3/10 to a 5/10. Maybe even a 6/10
Carter Turner
>>Supes actually didn't just leave the Senate after the bomb went off, but stayed and helped the survivors despite protesters outside. Horse drowning and piss jars was worth keeping, but this was not?
Dardevil, ironically.
Aaron Morgan
it will probably be better
but IDK if it can lift the movie up to decent
Samuel Mitchell
The Snyder cycle begins again.
Also, the OP picture is everything wrong with the DCEU.
Carson Lopez
Like this user said Kingdom of Heaven theatrical is like a 5 or 6/10 at best. Director's Cut is 10/10.
I loved Batman v Superman; I'd give it an 8 maybe 7/10 if I'm being overly critical.
I'm just excited to see more of the film.
Ethan Richardson
Blade Runner. The theatrical cut is garbage, never watch it. It's probably the most famous movie for having multiple director's cuts which made it into a classic.
William Evans
>>Supes actually didn't just leave the Senate after the bomb went off, but stayed and helped the survivors despite protesters outside. it's this shit i'm worried about. if they shot this scene and the bigwigs figured they should cut it, wouldn't it miss the point of supes entirely?
Liam Perez
The bigwigs don't decide what to cut, they just tell them they have to cut it down.
Julian Reyes
We already saw him saving a little girl. This supes still says nobody stays good in this world. Adding more stuff may hurt him more.
Tyler Peterson
I'm really curious who made the decision to cut that was. Because if it was Snyder's that proves what all the naysayers are saying about him not getting it.
Lincoln Foster
so the editors cut it? why would they do that? because of this? isn't him saying that part of the problem of their interpretation of superman?
Eli Wright
Anyone knows what's the music in the second part of the trailer? I'm loving it and I don't remember it from the OST.
Ian Reyes
He...fucking shot the scene. It doesn't prove shit.
Rumour is bigwigs wanted more Batman and less Superman
That's probably the answer.
Christian Cruz
100% more would mean it makes the exact same amount of sense. I think you mean 200% more, which I agree it does
WB execs are stupid as fuck. When they were doing GL and Alan Scot was revealed to be gay in the comics, Geoff Johns had to go in and tell them that there's more than one GL.
>The sexual orientation of Alan Scott didn’t faze DC publisher Dan DiDio, who supported Robinson’s decision. Warner Brothers, however, was confused: did this mean that star Ryan Reynolds, who played Hal Jordan in the 2011 film adaptation of "Green Lantern," would be gay? "Geoff (Johns) had to go in and explain that there were lots of Green Lanterns, and this was just one of them," Robinson said. comicbookmovie.com/comics/dc_comics/how-dcs-gay-green-lantern-caused-warner-bros-some-serious-a75104
Carson Hall
>WB execs are stupid as fuck. As much as I don't think everyone needs to be an expert on my hobby it's really working against these people.
Hunter Hernandez
I'm sorry, but Lex Luthor still makes this unwatchable. A hero movie is only as good as its villain and nothing about Lex works. Nothing. I still can't believe how they fucked up this bad. It's almost impossible. How did they not get this right? How hard is it to fuck up a bald 1% manipulative asshole that still so suave as fuck your girlfriend's panties still get wet for him. Hell, the U.S. is run by nothing but Lex Luthors. Just go to Washington and follow a Republican around and take notes.
Sebastian Foster
It keeps happening!
Daniel Campbell
Because rehashing generic evil white businessman is boring and cliche? DCEU Lex gave depth to comic Lex's one-dimensional hate for Superman. Also if the character development from Bruce and Clark is anything to go by, we might see a more iconic Lex in the future.
Lucas Bell
But just LOOK at him. He's like if you mashed a Google new-hire with Ledger's Joker. Hell, even the Nostalgia Critic has they guy playing him yell "Why so serious". It's not Lex. Period. And you don't make him boring and cliche just because he's a good business man. It's called good writing. You make he smooth as fuck and relatable. Give him a really good reason not to trust an alien capable of destroying all life on Earth if he wanted to. Is that REALLY so hard. This Lex hates him for really no reason other than that so.... he makes a more powerful alien?! All of my WTFs. All of them.
Isaiah Stewart
>This Lex hates him for really no reason other than that so.... he makes a more powerful alien?! His father abused him. This caused him to realise that there could be no God. Because if God was all powerful, why did he not intervene? Lex comes to the conclusion that God could not be both all good and be all powerful. Then along comes Superman, an 'all powerful' being. Lex sets out to prove to the world that Superman is not all good. To prove the "holes in the holy".
See, stuff like this makes me wonder about all the shitting over BvS. Lex's motivations are clearly explained in the movie. Do people just zone out? Is the movie REALLY too deep for the casual movie goer?
Grayson Cooper
is this movie gonna be 3 or 3.30 hours?
Sebastian Fisher
3h IIRC
Nolan Cook
Daredevil directors cut is a 4/5 for me. It fixes most of the problems in the theatrical cut, is much more coherent and it cuts out that god awful playground fight scene
Nathaniel Thompson
Not that other user, but while that's not the worst motivations ever I prefer Luthor's disdain in the comics for a being that he feels is taunting him with his mere existence. Luthor works every day of his life to build his life as to be the most intelligent, rich, powerful, feared and respected person not only in metropolis but the world, but it all pales in comparison to Superman's sheer abilities except for Lex's intelligence.
Making him feel inadequate and bitter with jealousy. An egotist straight off wallstreet that has worked to the bone from dirt for everything he has, that can never be number 1 because he's permanently stuck behind a man who never had to make the sacrifices he did.
Blake Flores
Soooo when is it getting released?
Robert Smith
I know a number of people who did, in fact, zone out. That's not a slight against the audience, it's a testament to the immersive power this movie has: None.
But even beyond that, it really shouldn't be explained that Lex's motivation in the movie is beyond pathetic, and only makes sense if you actually accept the movie's absurd premise of Superman=God at face value, and has no actual resonance with the rest of Lex's character. Nobody remembers Lex's motivation because there's narrative meaning to it.
Camden Jenkins
For every 'directors cut' it's actually the director's fault. He should've known studios won't release a 3 hour movie (unless muh Lord of the Rings) and set a goal to make a good story within the time frame.
That said, DD, Watchmen and Kingdom of Heaven are good examples as people already mentioned. Kingdom of Heaven went from mediocre to critically acclaimed. Most director cuts are just extra shit and don't enhance the movie.
Jaxson Cook
This is such a weird post because he's still an evil white businessman, just a kooky one with less accomplishments of his own.
Josiah Lopez
are Gotham citizens really complaining that Batman has become more brutal against criminals?
Luis Sanchez
Dude, none of what you said addresses the "makes a more powerful alien" point. It explains why he hates Superman, sure, (even if I think it's unnecessary) but not why he'd make an even more powerful thing.
I'm gonna say something controversial too. Max Landis wrote a better Luthor than what we were given.
Aiden Baker
>I'm gonna say something controversial too. Max Landis wrote a better Luthor than what we were given. If you're referring to Luthor in American Alien, that was the best Luthor in, like, half a decade. Maybe more.
AA flubbed on a lot of things, but Luthor was spot on.
Justin Ortiz
Remember the context - even after a long time in action, Batman isn't working out in the open as a hero, he's not even known as Batman just "The Bat of Gotham"
So you've got a shadow vigilante that's become scary as fuck. The people he saved in the scene early in the movie were so terrified when the police unlocked their cage to let them out they slammed it back shut
Jaxson Brooks
What was DCEU Lex's motivation for cloning Doomsday? Serious question.
Michael Murphy
Did he really say in the movie his father abused him? Abused him how? Maybe I did zone out because I don't remember that at all. I did hit the bathroom once...
Maybe I will check this out once it's released. If anything just to be sure I see the whole story.
Lucas White
>Few seconds of new footage in Africa, scene already makes 100% more sense than the theatrical cut the only people it didn't make sense to were retards and children who can't pay attention.
Brody Scott
killing superman but it was also implyed that he was trying to get ready for whatever is coming from the sky.
Gabriel Russell
Except the idea of of re-releasing and re-charging for a movie in theaters after "fixing it" is just awful. If you all go and pay to see this again, more corporations are going to do it and it'll be a nightmare.
Release you extended cut on DVD like everyone else you hacks.
Matthew Allen
Seeings as how people of the world are protesting that Superman is saving lives, I wouldn't be surprised.
Ian James
> Horse drowning and piss jars was worth keeping, but this was not?
Synder hates showing Superman saving people unless it is immediately coupled with the masses fawning over him like a god they can never hope to touch.
Like that scene where Superman goes to 'save' that family from the flood, and just fucking sits there floating in the air dramatically a dozen meters away from the house for like two full minutes.
Jaxson Williams
Makes sense. I like that though. Batman actually scaring the fuck out of people is cool.
Nicholas Ross
Are you okay? As in are you mentally sound? The movie is coming out on dvd and blueray....
Jordan Russell
>DCEU Lex gave depth to comic Lex's one-dimensional hate for Superman
No, it created an entirely different one-dimensional hate for Superman, one built on daddy issues and edgy atheism that adds to Snyder's subtle, SUPERMAN IS GOD DOYEGEDDIT? motif rather than one based on humanism and ideological opposition to Superman's ideals and methods for saving humanity.
At his best, Lex Luthor is a foil for Superman in every conceivable way, thematically, ethically and morally, in BvS, he's a whiny teen yelling at Snyder's whiny teen image of Superman-as-God.
William Roberts
Lex strongly alluded to it in the 'lets talk about this painting' scene where he refuses to respond to anything the senator says and just continues on his monologue about his past and motivations like he is talking into a tape recorder.
Alexander Brooks
He had no control over the thing, though. How is that preparation for anything?
James Foster
>still so suave as fuck your girlfriend's panties still get wet for him
I always thought Lex was supposed to THINK he's suave but actually come off as kind of a creep in person.
Asher Cooper
I didn't really like the movie and adding 30 minutes to it probably won't help, but just watching a trailer again now reminds me that if Snyder could give up being the man in control, imagine how good a cinematographer he'd be.
Look how much better visually it is that the other companies making superhero movies, even if it's worse in every way other than visuals.
Owen Walker
Synder's Lex is ultimately just the most pathetic fucking person I have ever seen, and we are supposed to fear this man as a villain.
He isn't all that smart, none of this plans make sense. In fact, he would have been arrested within the first 10 minutes of the movie for the shit he pulled in Africa if it had not been inconvenient for the US government to admit that they had an undercover CIA agent on the scene. If Jimmy Olsen had not been there, or even had just survived the scene, Lex's first and only scene would have been getting arrested.
His motivations are daddy issue fueled militant atheism because Superman is literally Jesus. This is the sort of deep but nonsensical motivation I expect out of generic anime villains.
He isn't charismatic, he can't even manage a speech at his own party without sperging out into a stuttering mess after a few minutes of rambling about prometheus. And this was at a party he had months to prepare for, fucker clearly didn't even write a speech. So not only does he have the social prowess of a lobster, but he lacks the basic forethought to prepare ahead of time to not advertise that to the world.
And of course he isn't a physical threat, not that Lex is supposed to be for superman.
But what this boils down to is that the ONLY thing that makes lex threatening is his money. He isn't smart, he isn't string, he isn't charming enough to get away with murder, he can't manipulate for shit... the only thing that makes him dangerous is the fact that he can through 10 billion dollars at whatever trickles his insane fancy at the moment.
...but thats all money that he inherited from his dad. Its not even money he made himself. Lex, himself, is totally fucking worthless. His greatest achievement is not having pissed away the family fortune yet.
Its a sad fucking day when Shinji Ikari is less pathetic than you.
Tyler Edwards
Not really. But it's my bad, the Sup Forums-tards were going on about this being re-released in theatres last night, so I guess that carried over.
Colton Edwards
>How hard is it to fuck up a bald 1% manipulative asshole that still so suave as fuck your girlfriend's panties still get wet for him.
It's not like the previous attempt got that right either
Thomas Ramirez
The kryptonian database had only records of one doomsday and was very kryptic with its warning, given that DCEU superman is indestructible, Lex had not much choice other than create his own kryptonian.
Camden Baker
Are you confused? If a DC is going to do ANYTHING positive, it'll be for a bad theatrical cut. Yes, a turd is a turd, but it's movies that had good theatrical cuts where the DC just makes it a mess, and is a 'fuck you' to the editors.
Liam Mitchell
Fucking these.
Gabriel Ramirez
>It's not like the previous attempt got that right either God, I forgot how perfect Spacey looked as Luthor. If only he had somethign to work with.
Jaxon Ramirez
how about posting the fucking trailer you mongoloid?
I didn't even expect a trailer and this one had the potential to be an actual theatrical trailer. fuck, it was awesome
Lincoln Baker
It still seems like a lot of Superman's character is being informed through other people lecturing him rather than him getting a chance to speak on his behalf, which is quite honestly my biggest problem with the movie.
Eli Stewart
I think the movie works better highlighting Lex and Batman as foils for each other anyways.
Tyler Anderson
>one of the oldest problems in Judeo-Christian theology >The Problem of Evil >pathetic
Fuck man, I'm a devout Catholic and from my experience that is the single most common reason I've seen for people who walk away from the church, or faith in God in general. The whole movie is about our tendency to project our own mindsets, expectations and insecurities onto our heroes and god figures, which is what everyone does in BvS to Superman. Including Lex. He thinks everyone else is either just as sociopathic as he is, or is otherwise too weak and powerless to be a concern. Even Superman.
Jack Brooks
So his plan to kill a powerful superhuman being which he viewed as a threat was to create an even more dangerous, destructive, and uncontrollable being which would be even more of a threat?
Truly, the greatest mind of the age.
Ayden Ross
He says no god in the sky intervened to save him from daddy's fist. And then Superman stops Doomsday from punching Lex. Pottery.
>His greatest achievement is not having pissed away the family fortune yet. >pissed away >piss Heh
Because Clark is uncomfortable with the public perceiving him as a 'god'. Look at the scene where he saves the child from the fire. He floats down, child in arms, with a smile on his face, then the crowd reach out to him like he's some sort of messianic figure and his smile disappears. He becomes uncomfortable. Again, he hesitates to save the family atop the house in the flood because they are reaching out to him, as he's in front of the sun, depicted as a being of the sun (references to the Sun God are throughout the movie) because again, he is uncomfortable and under immense pressure. He's just a boy from Kansas who wants to save people, not be viewed as an all powerful 'god'.
Joseph Thompson
He states it outright when giving his monologue on top of the tower to Superman.
Kevin Gonzalez
Still makes no sense. Why unleash something you can't control or reason with? If he was worried about the upcoming invasion, why not try to manipulate or control Superman into protecting him?
Also, that computer inside the ship is fucking retarded:
>According to my master's program and laws, it's forbidden to do that, Dave, I mean Lex. >Are you masters alive? >No. >So let me do it. >Ok.
What? Why build a retarded computer to protect your shit? The kryptonians being dead should not override their security systems!
Gabriel Cox
This. The movie is bad and Lex is bad. The whole thing is stupid.
Eli Bennett
>dangerous, destructive, and uncontrollable being
The whole point is that Batman thought superman could turn evil and Lex didnt want to be at the mercy of such being.
You know superman, you know he'll never turn evil(eventhough he did a lot of times in comics) but batman and Lex don't want someone that powerfull to exist, it challanges their believes and drives them crazy.
Lex also created Doomsday with his own blood, meaning he is the one to defeat god.
Andrew Wright
>Why unleash something you can't control or reason with?
He really, really, REALLY wants to fucking kill Superman.
This isn't anything new for Lex.
Chase Thomas
Not that it in any way excuses how it comes across in the theatrical cut, but Lex is serving one of Darkseid's minions.
He's doing a really terrible thing because a super villain is making him.
Landon Foster
>Fuck man, I'm a devout Catholic and from my experience that is the single most common reason I've seen for people who walk away from the church, or faith in God in general. The whole movie is about our tendency to project our own mindsets, expectations and insecurities onto our heroes and god figures, which is what everyone does in BvS to Superman. Including Lex. He thinks everyone else is either just as sociopathic as he is, or is otherwise too weak and powerless to be a concern. Even Superman. That was some grade A missing the point man. Congrats!
Joshua Brown
>references to the Sun God are throughout the movie Why haven't you killed yourself yet?
Juan Cook
I didn't like Lex sperging around the first half of the movie but loved his performance at the tower and the scenes after.
Colton Scott
Oh, ok. If he really really really wanted, now the character makes complete sense.
Batman and Lex are pants on head retarded in this movie.
>If there's 1% chance he turns evil, I have to kill him. Will he try to kill Flash, Aquaman and WW too? Because they can hurt a lot of people if turned evil too.
>I don't want to be at mercy of a super powerful being So I'll go ahead and create an even more indestructable, unreasonable powerful being, that will try to kill me as soon as it's born. Thank God that asshole Superman was there to save me.
Why do people like this movie again?
Easton Collins
Who says Lex knew Doomsday would be an uncontrollable monster? He seemed shocked it straight up tried to kill him after it hatched. Lex could have been overwhelmed from what he learned in the Kryptonian ship, fucking up his already broken psyche even more. Perhaps the deleted Kryptonian birthing chamber sequence explains that Lex was being manipulated to create Doomsday, maybe to destroy Superman, maybe to get Earth ready for Darkseid. How else could he have known about Darkseid coming?
>Sun God It was Icarus
>Look mum I told someone to kill them self on an anonymous image board again!
>>If there's 1% chance he turns evil, I have to kill him. >Will he try to kill Flash, Aquaman and WW too? Because they can hurt a lot of people if turned evil too. Bruce at that time was consumed by the fever and rage to take down Superman. But after realising Supes is just a man, he sees the error in his ways and what he's become. Clark restores Bruce's faith in humanity and the desire to do things the right away. He says he won't fail Clark in death and is most likely back to being the Batman we all know and love.
Nicholas Roberts
Superman is not God, but he's a figure of power and authority and many of those same problems carry.
Problem of Evil assumes that God thinks the same way you do with the same access to limited knowledge and wisdom. "Well if I had these powers, I would do this".
Projecting our own edpectations onto a figure of authority or a role model or hero like Superman assumes something similar, that you have perfect knowledge of the situation and the other person thinks exactly the same way you do.
Look at Batman's conflict with Superman. He deals in violence to try and kill Supes because he assumes that Superman cannot be reasoned with, does not adhere to moral values and does not value human life. In other words, he treats him the same as a criminal in Gotham. It isn't until that Batman is forced to acknowledge the fact that he DOESN'T have perfect knowledge of the situation and Supes does indeed have a moral bearing that can be reasoned with (he pleads for his mom's life when about to die), that he is also forced to reevaluate that assumption and open communication instead of only treating him with violence.
Luis Bell
>>Look mum I told someone to kill them self on an anonymous image board again! I'll have you know she's very proud.
Ethan Wood
>Because Clark is uncomfortable with the public perceiving him as a 'god'.
Then talk to people, for God's sake. He's a grown ass man! He's also a fucking journalist. You're telling me Superman wouldn't talk to the goverment and explain his reasons?
It's not ok to see a man, 4 years older than myself, moping around saying 'they don't understand me, boohoo'. It's obnoxious as fuck. If he doesn't want to be perceived as god, stop acting like one. Explain yourself, talk to people!
Levi Turner
>tfw all these marveldrones shit on the movie and hate everything they can >tfw all DC drones hate on MCU movies and hate everything they can >tfw I enjoy every movie as much as I can and don't give two shits about other people's opinions as long as I like the movies
you retards make me laugh, paying attention to reviewers and other people telling you what to think. if you don't like it, who the fuck gives a shit?
Alexander Hall
>lark restores Bruce's faith in humanity and the desire to do things the right away.
How!? How did Superman restored Batman's faith in humanity? They barely interacted with each other.
Oliver Sanchez
>o I'll go ahead and create an even more indestructable, unreasonable powerful being, that will try to kill me as soon as it's born. Thank God that asshole Superman was there to save me.
That's always been Lex in a nutshell. No matter how smart he thinks he is at the end of the day he's shortsighted and self-destructive as hell.
Michael Lopez
You're retarded if you think people here are only repeating opinions from critics or just shilling. Go feel superior somewhere else.
Nathan Edwards
He was already watching Flash et al. Probably would have tried to kill them. Or control them.
Anthony Martinez
It was still an awful way to portray Lex. He looked like a total suicidal idiot in the movie.
Carson Sullivan
Bruce was in such a downward spiral he was brutalizing the fuck out of people and death branding them.
The literal being not from this planet showed more humanity than he did, in the moments before his death for the sake of saving Earth.
Ethan Foster
I'm still hoping for an extended cut of "Man of Steel".
Matthew Ward
Then Batman is an awful person and not a hero at all.
John Bennett
and you are retarded if they don't. half of the comments here don't even address actual issues the movie had, just "that's stupid" and "I don't like it". the quality of posts on Sup Forums has always been declining, but nowadays it's just nonexistent, especially when it comes to movies since 99% of the people here know jackshit about movies in general
BvS has actual potential to be good with proper pacing but people are too biased to even give it a shot
Ethan Jackson
>You're telling me Superman wouldn't talk to the goverment and explain his reasons? Didn't he try that in MoS?
>be Batman for 20+ years >Robin is kill >Criminals keep popping up like weeds >Bruce becomes more ruthless >Superman shows up, an apparent unstoppable force of power >Batman never encountered anything like him before >The branding didn't happen until the Battle of Metropolis >Batman just views him as that: an unstoppable 'god' >Consumed by the drive to destroy him >Literally mentions how the first generation of Waynes were hunters >Him killing Superman may very well be his first cold-blooded murder >In the moment he has his foot on Clark's throat he states that Clark was never a god, never even a man >Clark mentions Martha >Bruce obviously reacts >Lois runs in to inform Bruce that Martha is Clark's mother's name >Bruce realises Clark, a supposed 'god' has a mother, realises Clark IS just a man >Bruce swears to save Clark's Martha, he couldn't save his own but he'll be damned if another will die and this time he can prevent it
Carson Jones
*if you think they aren't
Wyatt Barnes
>showed more humanity than he did, in the moments before his death for the sake of saving Earth.
I didn't see that at all. He just killed the monster created from things of his own planet, again. And the fact that he was the one who had to it is debatable.
This movie could have been great, if only it had a competent director.
Parker Reyes
Learn how to talk to peple, mongoloid, or go back to your cave.
People here are actually debating the fucking movie. You'll see it if you take the time to get off your high horse and read.
Zachary Garcia
you didn't explain the huge jump between >batman views him as that :an unstoppable 'god' and >consumed by the drive to destroy him
Joshua Cook
>Didn't he try that in MoS? It was obviously not enough, since people are still afraid of him. I don't understand why Superman was flying around scaring everybody with his godly powers and not try to calm people down. It's a forced plot device. Remember that Superman barely talks in the movie.
And all that shit you greentexted makes no sense.
>He has a mother, so he's just a man. >I'll let him live now.
That's just bad writing.
Noah Campbell
As far as I'm concerned, there has never been a good live-action Lex in a live-action movie.
Smallville Lex was alright though, from what I remember.