What the fuck is the point of netflix if they're just going to cancel THEIR OWN originals before it's finished...

what the fuck is the point of netflix if they're just going to cancel THEIR OWN originals before it's finished? That's one of the main reasons I dumped cable, shit was always getting canceled. This is netflix telling me "don't get invested in our originals, in fact don't bother watching the first couple of seasons and just wait to see if we cancel it after a cliffhanger"

fuck netflix, I'm canceling YOU and my subscription.

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stop watching tv, user.

They are slowly realising that pandering to 5% of the world's population isnt a good business strategy.

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>don't get invested

Good advice.

Netflix is a way for television to continue to exist. Don't expect too much from television executives. Art patronage is not their main interest.

I also think ending a season on a cliffhanger is bullshit.

It's not Netflix or your cable tv. It's capitalism. It's the fact that they are not going to profit as much as they thought they could profit from it, so they cancel it, not because they are evil, but because if they don't profit as much as they want to profit, some other company or thing takes their place and they are finished it. Some series might have an unexpected low amount of fans and therefore not produce the same money, but that doesn't make the ones who are actually fans love it any less. Since the money is in one place (the company), they have to choose and the criteria is not ever about the content, but the money, if nazism was cool they would be nazi, if sjw are cool they would be sjw. The content is just an excuse and you are just an excuse. It's not that they don't care, they are not allowed to care.

Wait sense8 wasn't a hit show everyone was watching and talking about?

What about stranger things???

netflix shows fucking suck though, you're fault for having babby taste

>, they have to choose and the criteria is not ever about the content, but the money, if nazism was cool they would be nazi, if sjw are cool they would be sjw.
yeah right except donald trump won the elections and they aren't producing any conservative-themed shows, only left wing-themed shows
ALWAYS
not even american but this is fucking obvious, every new show has a left wing bias

>Don't expect too much from television executives. Art patronage is not their main interest.

This. Way too many people bought into the meme that netflix was "saving tv", or that all their shows are of a higher quality than other channels by default. I can't even think of any shows I like that they've made beyond Masters of None, Stranger Things and the first season of OITNB. Everything else is just hype and hot air

Conservatives proudly reject any media that does not pander to them, it's not worth trying to get their attention and alienate moderates who will take left leaning themes and not care either way

>Lefties proudly reject any media that does not pander to them
ftfy

thanks captain obvious

idk about that user, when i was a kid we used to have shows with white people like malcolm in the middle or buffy against the vampires

now we don't, every show is about minorities or some bullshit

Yeah that must be why Duck Dynasty failed and Ted Nugent stopped touring. These people are screamingly obviously ideolgical and are happy to waste money given the right cause.

fag detected

Wasn't obvious to OP, though, was it?

You have to think about demographics though. Do the Duck Dynasty fans care enough to stop paying for cable and switch to streaming services in the first place, or do they stick with the status quo? I'd wager a lot less than ""lefties"" and apolitical people do that make up most of netflix's audience

>people don't like this thing
>let's fund it anyway because some tiny portion of people are enamored of it
this is why the National Endowment for the Arts exists. in the end though, capitalism is the perfect mechanism for funding art people WANT. instead of rich patrons setting the tone or the elites making culture, PEOPLE can be the arbiters of that now. Kickstarted, Patreon, Youtube, etc. this is the age of content on demand.

Great time to be alive

yeah but it's all shit

Television isn't art. YouTube isn't art. Nobody funded through Patreon is an artist.

Those who make culture will always be defined as an "elite" by insecure people like you, but the fact remains that the majority of people are not talented.

>he unironically watched lgbt propaganda the show
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA oh and kill yourself.

the masses have shit taste though

that being said the elites have shittier and shittier taste these days too, it's like all the good ones died, and the remaining people in power and the new generation of filmmakers only care about their gay circlejerks

Because there are other things to the mix as well, perhaps my example was unfortunate. Entertainment doesn't want to tackle strong controversial issue, it wants to play soft. So it funcions within ideology, the things we take it for granted and which seem as if it is not even an opinion. There is nothing softer than the liberal ideology, which is far from being left wing, it's as capitalist as it can get. It's not enough to have 51% of people's choice (I'm talking Trump, but also Brexit and a lot of other close elections we had recently around the globe), both sides are too separate and you don't want to lose anyone, so you play center game, you don't advertise against Trump, but you do the politically correct in our society.

That's precisely what politically correct means, the politically correct stance is the stance that considers the maintenance of the power in ones speech. In other words, when I refrain from saying something because I assume the effects of it will turn back at me in the shape of your negative opinion about me. Capitalism will always be politically correct in that sense, which is what I mean with something "being cool". Cool not like in the way a costume is cool, but in the way a plain t-shirt is cool.

>capitalism is the perfect mechanism for funding art people WANT.
If they already know they want it, it's more likely to be entertainment than art. I never understand why people like you want to call the entertainment you like "art" - you hate art, remember? You've hated art all your life.

>yeah but it's mostly shit

FTFY

I was a Patreon of pic related before they finally got out of that dude's apartment. They've pretty much made it now so I stopped tossing them my loose change.

I'm sure you can find something you don't hate.

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>sense8 cancelled
Good.
It was dogshit except for Van Damme. Van Damme was carrying the entire show and they
FUCKING
FIRED
HIS
ACTOR

Why? Who knows. Probably wanted him to do a gay sex scene with the tranny and the dude refused.
Production has to be seriously troubled if a main cast member gets shitcanned.

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Right? Now we don't have to suffer Expressionism or Romanticism, because we have tranny horse porn on demand! C U L T U R E

it was an expensive show and they could see that not enough people were watching it. the directors probably couldn't wrap it up with an appropriate budget so they cancelled it

No, all of it is shit, and your choice of patronage reveals that you don't know shit from clay.

>Entertainment doesn't want to tackle strong controversial issue, it wants to play soft
>both sides are too separate and you don't want to lose anyone, so you play center game, you don't advertise against Trump, but you do the politically correct in our society.
Well i don't really agree, honestly your entertainment is extremely hostile to your president and most importantly what he represents. I'd say it is very clear who and what they support.
Diversity in tv shows is not passed off as anodine and plain like you say, it is always very in your face and militant in my opinion

And no they are not running any economical risk with that since they have near 100% ideological monopoly, apparently no one gets any funding to produce content that promotes different ideas

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Anything that ends with a cliffhanger as a gauntlet-throw to its backers deserves to get cancelled with the quickness.

It's called having taste, not his fault you're so easily satisfied and don't give a shit about art.

No, I like art. I don't like the sub-art of the Patreon culture, and I don't like one-joke meme garbage.

It's pretty ironic that for many people this shit is a big reason people give up on the electric jew
>show gets following
>show ends season with lolcliffhangersz
>show gets cancelled with no ending

The point of NF is that the showrunners could plan the goddamn thing and NF would tell them if cancellation were likely, in which case they'd shoot an ending scene just in case.

I really don't gaf about sense8 but this is a huge blow to Netflix's dismal credibility.

nice dubs; still wrong

You seem to get the point in the first part of your post and then miss it in the second part, odd.

typical troglodyte response.

As little effort as this is what you want culture to consist of, but fortunately not everyone agrees.

>troglodyte

*tipping intensifies*

though i really can't fault your dubs game

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You've made it clear that you don't care about art and your ideas of how to communicate here are based on years-old KnowYourMeme entries, so why should anyone engage with you? Go pay some more cabaret memesters.

Why would I try to honestly engage anyone on this site? It's a losing proposition.

Pro tip: we're arguing subjective opinion which means you're wrong even if you are somehow, magically "right" about something that has no objective criteria (taste) beyond demonstrated market value (PMJ getting booked, record deals and generally succeeding in the marketplace).

I wish people like you would die, you don't even try to expand your horizons, it's all empty fluffy cotton candy fun to you.

You legitimately know less than 3 conservatives.

Are you in high school? You are making broad generalizations about my tastes and what I like based on 1 (one) piece of evidence. I can't imagine a more reflexive thought-process.

pic related: an actual piece of art. I also like Botticelli. Make some more generalizations.

I was basing it more on your retarded remarks about the subjectivity of "art" and the idiotic belief that success and sales is in any way indicative of the quality of a movie or a band, especially in today's times.

>your entertainment
lol, not "mine", user!

But I think you don't quite get my point. It may seem extremely hostile to president Trump's image, but it's not intelligent or deep, it is at face value, an attack on images with images, but not any change to the status quo. In this sense, even though it is hostile, it's not really dangerous (which is a shame not to take the dangerous stance, imo).

>Diversity in tv shows is not passed off as anodine and plain like you say, it is always very in your face and militant in my opinion
I don't think tv shows pass these subjects as "plain", you get it right, they are "in your face", but it is the subjects themselves which are plain. The strategy is to take something which is normal and advertise it as if it was your idea.

About the monopoly, I disagree it is no where near 100% and it doesn't have to be. It's not really important because these things come and go, the important thing is to realize the structure running it from underneath. It's not that there is an idea in before hand which is then pushed as an agenda, blocking other opinions. It is much more subtle and incidentally more effective at blocking different opinions. They go for what the consumers fund them. It's always the money that talks, not the opinions.

Think of how cigarettes were pushed for decades as something cool and sexy, until nearly everyone smoked. Then the hospital bills were getting bigger and people slowly turned to the other side to advertise health instead. The whole process is not really thinking about the effects of smoking, advertising will work pro and against it. Slavery did not end because people were started thinking it was wrong, but because there were more profitable ways to deal with it. It's not about the content.

If this is about them canceling their faggot show, then maybe stop being a degenerate?

No, subsidizing people through Patreon is a losing proposition, engaging here or anywhere isn't providing you aren't needy or intellectually dishonest. Unfortunately, you're both.

Market value has nothing to do with artistic validity. This is day 1, Art 101. Your buddies are shit, user.

>I've heard of two artists and one piece.

Good for you, by all means fuck off.

>I was basing it more on your retarded remarks about the subjectivity of "art" and the idiotic belief that success and sales is in any way indicative of the quality of a movie or a band, especially in today's times.

My bro, it's the only metric that matters

That doesn't mean Justin Beiber is going to be sound good to everyone. You can approach it like a scholar and try to understand WHY he has so much staying power. Or you can just dismiss it as the result of millions of retarded girls clamoring for his dick. One of these is more likely to lead to enlightenment.

Subjective taste shouldn't line up with what culture is getting produced today anyway. Otherwise you have no art and just follow the fashions of the moment.

>entertainment doesn't want to take strong controversial issues
Then why the fuck did every tv show since trump, excuse me, drumpf won suddenly include references to fascism?

please dont cancel, im counting on you

Because no one likes fascism, there is no controversy. It's easier to make a hit movie about how evil nazis than to make a film that investigates the problems of Congo or Bangladesh. Reality is much more complicated and that's the controversy they don't dare touch. There won't be a Netflix film about the problems with Netflix, ever. That inane "drumpf" humour is impotent and not controversial. People today are just shouting their opinions, that's not what it means to have strong opinions.

Again, you're without taste, and nothing you're describing is culture, just the entertainment industry. The ironic thing about your touting the brave new world of Patreon etc. is that the kind of people who make stuff that way and support it are the kind of people who spend their lives being led around by the nose by the entertainment industry. Without the farmer to point your snouts towards the trough, your "culture" will founder.

I really liked Sense8 and the season ended on such a huge cliffhanger, it really sucks that it's being canceled. Even if the constant stream of LGBT showcasing wasn't your thing, the whole sensate concept was unique and had enough material for multiple seasons. What I think doomed the show was that every episode cost $9 million and the Wachowskis insisted on shooting on location. For a show that has scenes in Africa, Asia, Europe, and North America. And it took two years to churn out a single season. \

Damn shame.

Yes, but they derailed the previous first halfs of shows to bring fascism is the enemy into the plot completely destroying what happened in the previous episodes. What I'm saying is that instead of providing entertainment, they destroyed the plot of quite a few shows just to shoehorn the fascism is bad angle. Like what the fuck? Just make god damn entertainment entertaining. It's meant to be a break from the real world, not a fictional commentary on it.

I'll just throw the gauntlet down. Tell me what art is, oh arbiter. Show me the meaning of taste.

>Why? Who knows. Probably wanted him to do a gay sex scene with the tranny and the dude refused.

The trans actress and the Wachowskis explicitly said that Aml wasn't transphobic, but then Jamie Clayton gets on twitter talking about how "hate is horrible", so idk.

Hmm the silence is, to put it mildly, shocking.

Art is a selective re-creation of reality according to an artist’s metaphysical value-judgments. Man’s profound need of art lies in the fact that his cognitive faculty is conceptual, i.e., that he acquires knowledge by means of abstractions, and needs the power to bring his widest metaphysical abstractions into his immediate, perceptual awareness. Art fulfills this need: by means of a selective re-creation, it concretizes man’s fundamental view of himself and of existence. It tells man, in effect, which aspects of his experience are to be regarded as essential, significant, important. In this sense, art teaches man how to use his consciousness. It conditions or stylizes man’s consciousness by conveying to him a certain way of looking at existence.

I agree

Whats the best of n netflix full house

Die in a fire, disgusting fag. You're not welcome here.

Cry more, you fucking piece of shit.

>He hasn't watched Bloodline

lol pleb only reason for netflix. Hulu is much better, hell even amazon prime is

Narcos has been the only good Netflix Original. Prove me wrong

>implying Bloodline was any good after S1

I am implying, and I will go as far to say it is great the whole way through. Florida trash Shakespeare

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You're a retarded faggot. You're not capable of being right.

My nigga

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>paying for media

Don't worry it'll be on netflix

>That's one of the main reasons I dumped cable, shit was always getting canceled.

You dumped cable because they were cancelling their own shitty shows?

BRING BACK MARCO POLO PLEASE

The only reason to use it is it is easy to use and cheap.

you can do that as long as it's the 5 percent who will actually pay money for the product

Yes

yeah man they should just keep producing every show that no one watches haha

Netflix has only canceled shit shows so far, if you were invested in any of those i'd say that's more of a you problem than a netflix problem.

Netflix has a ton of shows that i have absolutely zero interest on clicking on and i'm pretty sure the vast majority of people are the same way. Who would even know if the following shows got canceled, let alone care?
Chewing Gum
The Ranch
3%
Haters Back Off
Dirk Gentlys
Glitch
Flaked
Grace and Frankie
Cuckoo

Any of the shows i just listed are likely to be canceled, and my only question will be "did anyone even watch that?"

Chewing Gum and Grace & Frankie are good.

Netflix has grown so exponentially that it's begun to make poor decisions.

I quite like the ranch, but that's because I am a rural and suburban retard.

Exactly that. Their first few shows were a good success so they made more, then made more, but now they're too cocky and they let anyone make a show who is willing, and a lot are not panning out. Seems netflix is just now beginning to cull some of the bad decisions.

Fair enough.

this one pissed me off, a legitimately decent drama/action show with as good a budget enough to support fantastic set design and admirable performances. Benedict Wong was a fantastic Kublai Khan, he more than made up for the lackluster italian playing Polo

um, Apple?

How does netflix gain profits from original movies?
Spectral sure looks expensive

Stranger things got a lot more hype than Sense8

You can't spend money on stuff no one watches.

Be glad Netflix takes risks like that in the first place instead of making a billion cop and doctor shows.

>people think a movie/show looks good
>they subscribe or keep their subscription