>Can anyone redpill me on the Turkey - Russia relationships since the coup?
I really have no idea what's going on and who is jewying who anymore. Did Putin warn Erdogan about it? Are they allies now? But Putin is fighting for Assad in Syria while Erdogan wants to get rid of him and supports the """"moderate rebels""""? What the fuck is going on?!
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I don't know it either. What I do know is that there is a certain creepy analogy between Turkey and Russia. Erdogan and Putin both were praised by the "West" and almost simultaneously (around 2010s) become devils out of nowhere. Both came also in power exact the same time, in both cases after a chaotic, economically horrendous and war- and terror-riddled 90s decade.
Note also that the republic of Russia and Turkey were founded almost to the same time as well.
>Russia and Turkey
>Republic
That is when people should've started getting suspicious.
tip: erdogan is georgian
in this picture puting looks like one of those "confused and slightly nervous doggos"
There will be a friendly football match in september in Antalya. Erdoğan personally invited Putin.
They don't allow moderate terrorists fleeing Aleppo to enter Turkey accroding to some sources so maybe they don't support them anymore. Things are really unclear at the moment. Erdogan will be in Russia on August 9th to discuss Russian-Turkish relations with Putin so relations are definetely improving but to what extent we won't know until they publish some kind of resolution after that meeting.
>republic of Russia and Turkey
That doesn't sound right.
Putin's 6D chess
Putin hates roaches just like every other russian currently does
He will use him to build the pipeline and that will be it
Since Erdogan crawled back to him Putin knew that he must be desperate. He will use him as a pawn and drop him as soon he doesn´t need him anymore.
Putin told roach chief about the coup, now supreme roach owes him his life...
So the situation is really unclear and we are left with speculations. It would be wise of Erdogan to stop support le moderate muslims down there, but he is an Islamist after all. Neo Ottoman failed so far, but the region is more in disarray than ever. And I really can't see him getting to terms with Russia as long as Assad and Erdogan hate each other and are mortal enemies.
Is it a Wookie life debt?
I don't know, but I have to think about this.
They may talk big but they will make peace with each other if they will be pressed to do it. It's the Middle East, man.
One thing you might be interested in is that Russian and Turkish cultures were sometimes described as "Byzantine" as opposed to Western (Roman).
Russian AND Turkish cultures. When did Turkey become the Byzantine Empire? - I thought you guys were historical, eternal enemies?
What we know:
Nato said if Erdogan provokes war with Russia nobody will help him.
Erdogan acts like he still has the Military from years ago but he self has shrinked it.
US Base in Turkey BTFO... dont know if running again.
Turkey isnt the "protection screen" of Europe anymore.
Thats why Putin strengthen relationships with Greece.
Putin dont wants all the "progess" thats going on in Europe.
AFAIK The Russians are saving the Sea arround Greece with all kind of Ships...
Greece is the new Shield. Nato has lost Territory.
Both claimed to be the Third Rome, successors of the Roman Empire!
Holy Roman Empire and Charlemagne did that too kek
I wasn't the one who classified them as such. Ottoman Empire absorbed shitloads of Eastern Orthodox people. That was the reason (that and the straits) why we were enemies in the first place. Honestly, we probably would be quite similar if we wouldn't belong to different races.
And countries they ruled over are now considered Western. Where do you thing "Western" comes from? HInt: it's not about Western Europe.
Turkish foreign policy ABSOLUTELY
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Let alone Erdoğan, even Jews have no idea what the fuck is Turkey doing. Turkish foreign policy died 4 years ago in the suburbs of Alleppo.
>One thing you might be interested in is that Russian and Turkish cultures were sometimes described as "Byzantine" as opposed to Western (Roman).
What happened thousands of years before isn't actually what I wanna say (even though it's interesting).
But the "modern era" does have a strange analogy between those two nations. One might say, on purpose.
>muh strategic depth
that's what happens when you hand the country over to imams who view a fucking degenerate turned islamist poet as their guide.
>And countries they ruled over are now considered Western. Where do you thing "Western" comes from? HInt: it's not about Western Europe.
I don't know either. It feels like, someone is continously making enemies.
We had this with the Cold War with Americans vs. Russians. Now everything is Christian vs. Islam. Like on this board, where you see turkic Balkanites shouting Remove Kebab all the time.
Maybe the world would be better, if people won't let themselves play off against each other.
I agree, Russia and Turkey seems culturally somewhat similar in mentality.
>turkic Balkanites
Please explain how are we Turkic?
It's literally opposite. Turks are Balkanite, at least big part of Turkey.
Oh not this bullshit again. It's too late now for this.
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>monte
>negro
>Trump elected
>Second coup in Turkey, Erdogan ousted, secular leader installed
>Better relations all around between the three
I can dream right?
>Secular
You can dream but with your help we would be Egypt V.2
plebs go to >>>/sg/, haven't you heard?
>Erdogan wants to get rid of him and supports the """"moderate rebels""""?
Erdogan is not trying to save his ass.. He doesnt give a fuck about Syria.
and who is it?
Turkey tried to prolong its Nato privilege as long as possible, but it seems that is about to end. Following the alleged coup, a lot of downsizing and reorganization of military, MIT and gendarmery have started. Basically all the cold war era structures are being brought down. Nato is either downsizing or breaking ties with its anti-Russia past and completely being overhauled for the new century.
>Necip Fazıl Kısayarak
I thought they use their name only to look more arty and intellectual, because he is the only poet they know (aside from muhammad)
*his name
>Perincek rules now.
>incirlik will be closed.
>we will be out of NATO soon.
>mark my words.
>timestamp it.
there are no grudges in international politics. only interests. erdoğan talks shit to keep its voting base, that's it. he knows how dire his situation is in foreign policy, and tries to normalize it.
but georgians hate Russia
Ottomans since Mehmet II was the 3rd Roman Empire. he even entitled himself as "Kayzer-i Rum" (Caesar of Romans).
Great you summoned the turkish government funded Erdogan shills out of nowhere
i think even iran is still enjoying good relations with turkey, am i wrong?
It was a trap, kek
Erdogan was actually buddies with Assad before the Syrian revolution where he decided to side with Western interests while probably being promised some nice gibs after the success. If per chance he decides to turn his back on them, I think he might be ok with Assad staying in Syria.
>russian republic
bwaha, austrian criple
At this moment absolutely noone can trust the government establishment in Washington, Brussels and Berlin, both administrations are either equally incompetent or led by absolutely destructive ideas.
>republic of Russia
oh, okay.
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Sorry bud, Trump supports Erdoğan on this one
Fight Fight Fight whahahhaha
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getting caught was part of our plan
Well, congratulations: you get yourself caught. What's the next step in your masterplan?
State ruled by Provisional Government after February Revolution was called Russian Republic. Then they made some concessions to Ukrainians and it became Russian Federal Republic. Then bolsheviks took power and that time it was Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic also known as Soviet Russia. Then some of the autonomous republics were given de-jure independence and the Soviet Union was formed. On June 12 1990 RSFSR declared its independence from the Soviet Union (it was the 6th republic out of 15 to do that).
So even glorious Soviet Union started out as a Republic. I can already feel the same happening in Germany atm. Only that this shit here sucks ass. It's more a glorious empire of the grand cuckening.
Putin is playing hyper-massive black hole dimension Mahjong
a turk founds turkey and a georgian destroys it and every turk is like:
>"fuck ataturks heritage! heil erdogan"
We have similar interests, but that does not make us "friendly" countries.
I'm sure everything will end when Trump win. But if Hillary wins, everything is just beginning.