This is so much worst than I thought it would be. Fox didn't try at all

This is so much worst than I thought it would be. Fox didn't try at all.

MCU Fantastic Four would be as profitable as The Incredible Hulk
I for one blame Reed Richards

I just can't think of any possible way to do Fantastic Four in modern day, but this movie definitely wasn't a step in the right direction.

But the Fantastic Four are all about the advancement of science. How doesn't it fit the modern world?

I didn't say they don't fit in the modern world, the Fantastic Four as they are just comes off as dated.
I could only see the FF working well in the 60's or mid 80's.

It's a solid D+

Well they did work in the 60's. How are they dated, though?

It's an F-

I don't know how to describe it if you don't know what I mean or agree.

You should try anyway. Communication is important, your inability to express yourself is going to hinder you in life.

Why would you waste 95℅ of your runtime on the origin story

Because it's going to be a long-running series with lots of sequels?

Kek

>your inability to express yourself is going to hinder you in life.
It already has, I started browsing /r9k/ this week.

i actually enjoyed a lot of rise of the silver surfer. it wasnt good but i enjoyed a lot of it.

I'm sorry to hear that.

only against people like you who don't understand obvious things like the fact that fantastic four has a tone incompatible with the modern day

Never saw it but the original FF movie was surprisingly fun and the stuff they had going there did have potential for improvement.
Don't be salty.

It's alright. Hopefully I'll be dead by next year.

At least Rise has action in it, and the actual Surfer was done pretty well.

It's really outstanding just how monumentally boring that first Tim Story Fantastic Four movie is. Nothing fucking happens, it's a 2-hour first act just like Tranktastic but without the excuse of being chainsawed to pieces by the studio.

It honestly feels like an extended pilot for a bad 90's UPN genre show.

I still say that this movie was decent up until the last, what 20 minutes? I liked the idea of it but it definitely needed tightening up.

It was the perfect shitstorm
>A inexperienced director with only one movie under his belt
>FOX hires this new blood and needs to have something in the works or else the rights automatically revert back
>Several months of shooting, Trank is reportedly under the influence repeatedly, harassed Kate Mara, damages a rented home, micromanages actors on when to blink and to tone down emotion
>FOX is kept out of Tranks loop, forcefully send new writers and editors for reshoots and to salvage what was shot in order to make the already pushed back deadline. Tranks original cut didnt have an ending
>Trank is erratic and posts on Sup Forums gossip
>Studio spends a pretty penny on marketing and a infamous IHOP ad
>Night before release Trank posts on twitter how his original vision was butchered by corporate meddling, quickly removes post but the damage is done
>Bad press and word of mouth tank sales

It's just Josh Trank continuing to rip-off Akira.
He turned Dr. Doom into a half-assed Tetsuo.

Was there a scene of Doom and Richards shouting at each other?
>REEED!
>VICTOOOR!
>REEED!
>VICTOOOR!

>Fox didn't try at all.

More like Fox completely fucked up the movie in last minute panic driven re-shoots when they butchered Trank's original body horror premise in favor of a more traditional FF movie. The first half of the movie is pretty good, it starts to fall part hard in the last third when it becomes a generic capeflick.

That would imply anyone in Tranktastic raised their voice above a dull whisper.

>let's cast Reed with a guy famous for playing loud, brash assholes and never have him raise his voice or show any emotion beyond dull, mouth-breathing romance with Sue

The first half is shit too. All the faux-Amblin kids stuff is terrible, and the movie rushes through decades of life without exploring any of these characters as people. You could skip right to when the team enters Planet Zero for the first time and miss almost nothing about these characters.

Trank didn't have any better handle on what he was doing then Fox did.

Reed screamed at Doom, but Doom didn't reciprocate.

What is dead may never die

>The first half was pretty good
I am baffled as to why so many people say this, because its shit too. There is zero chemistry with these people, the time skip isnt necessary, and there are several "WHY?" moments that bog it down. Im convinced that the second half is so shit that people look at the first as something good by comparison

what? shut up.

>There is zero chemistry with these people

Well I have to disagree, the team building the teleporter was pretty comfy and they had nice interaction.

Thanks for all that user.
Having very little knowledge of the F4- here is why I think they are dated.
Cliche' team dynamic.
>Reed- the leader is a straight lace clean cut father figure
>Sue- Mother figure, token female doesn't have a consistent characterization outside of her relationship to Reed
>Johnny- The comic relief
>Ben- Big guy scary guy who is sensitive and gentle inside.

Ben Grimm is probably the most interesting character which is why he had his own ongoing for a few years. But all of them are what we've seen before without the spice that other superheroes have. Spices like being poor or oppressed minorities or alcoholics.
It's a line from Game of Thrones. Here's a more helpful one:
"...Speaking for the grotesques, I would have to disagree. Death is so final while life is always full of possibilities." Tyrion "The Imp" Lannister

>Comfy
I hate this word. Anyway to the point: You know Ben never said a word to Sue the entire film right? Or hey how about that scene where Sue an Reed talk about music briefly? Yeah they certainly hit it off great....

Only obvious to you buddy

BBQ Man was kinda cool. He was the only one who really had any characterization. As usual, they cpuld just have given him a solo movie as some other character.

Ben can be an alcoholic, and Reed could be black.
Or Sue & Johnny could be black. Isn't Sue interested in science too?
I feel like that was a shit retcon, but it's something.

And unless my dick grows at least three inches overnight, there's no possibility my life will get better.

>there will never be a movie where Spidey & Torch just mess with each other

Sue had more chemistry with her brother than Reed.

As a guy with a small chinese dick- vaginas are tiny.
Like I can rarely fit three fingers in tiny. Like my little thumb-like peen hits the cervix pretty often tiny.
You aren't not getting laid because of your dick.
You're probably not getting laid because the people around you are morons
Also- unless you have a grotesque face- which I kinda doubt because that's not what you initially complained about- girls want to fuck you. Just not the girls you look at from a distance. Sex with pretty girls isn't better than sex with the ugly ones. It's how much you care about a person that makes you cum harder.

Also- sure you could ADD those spices to the character. But it doesn't change that original team dynamic. The best thing to do with the F4 is make them side characters in a Doctor Doom movie. Make a gritty Doctor Doom movie about him taking back Latveria from a genocidal regime and becoming dictator through a military coup. Keep the magic and the robots. A movie about Doom earning all the wealth and power like fuckin Scarface.

Meant to reply to:

Like imagine a movie of Doom fleeing a civil war as a kid. Traveling the world, meeting reed, getting scarred, hating reed, training with monks, becoming a wizard, starting a rebellion and ending with him sitting on the throne like this. There are so many ways to do that right that I can't believe that it hasn't happened.

TETSUOOOOOOOOO

Michael does a really good job playing the brash hot shot, surely there's someone he could play that isn't a big waste like this.

A Doom movie would be neat.
KANEDAAA!

I actually do have a grotesque face, no women are interested in me, only gay men.
And no matter what I'm told about dick size I'm not gonna believe it.
It's all "everybody's beautiful and special" bullshit.

>make a gritty Doctor Doom movie about him taking back Latveria from a genocidal regime and becoming dictator through a military coup. Keep the magic and the robots. A movie about Doom earning all the wealth and power like fuckin Scarface.
>Like imagine a movie of Doom fleeing a civil war as a kid. Traveling the world, meeting reed, getting scarred, hating reed, training with monks, becoming a wizard, starting a rebellion and ending with him sitting on the throne like this.
That would be amazing, but I don't know if it's the right thing to do.
I think there might be actual Fantastic Four fans out there that would be upset about the FF being background characters.
Surely there's some way to make the team dynamic work. Do the FF really have anything to offer?

You're not an irredeemable piece of shit user. Irredeemable pieces of shit are more interesting than the people on Sup Forums. Go talk to the pudgy girl with the anime/marvel t-shirt.

>F4 fans.
They don't really exist. There are people who will pretend to be outraged about changes, but I don't really think people give a shit.

they don't care as long as they can dangle that carrot in front of marvel

Science knows more about solar flares now.

That page gave me a boner. A boner for the glory that is DOOM.
Is Secret Wars pretty cool?
Is the new Secret Wars cool?
Is Battleworld cool?
This is a thing I think Fan4stic worked out. By making their exploration extra-dimensional in stead of just space. Also I liked the "making super-science in a garage" part of F4.

>Irredeemable pieces of shit are more interesting than the people on Sup Forums.
What? I thought everybody on Sup Forums was an irredeemable piece of shit, hence why we're on Sup Forums.
>Go talk to the pudgy girl with the anime/marvel t-shirt.
I don't talk to girls in real life. Are you insane?

And it's too bad that Fantastic Four doesn't have fans, but that just makes me more interested.
How can we fix it? How can we update the concept? My former friend had some ideas.
He wanted to change Ben from a smoking depressed Jewish guy to a black cop that actually appreciates his change because he can help more people.

Original Secret Wars was pretty cool, yeah.

>This is a thing I think Fan4stic worked out. By making their exploration extra-dimensional in stead of just space.
It was horrible, at least the execution. I'm not a big fan of the idea either though.

I just want a passable Dr Doom that acknowledges his origin story instead of some hollywood bullshit.

Here's what I don't understand.
How does a major studio let the director of a major blockbuster have a drugged up breakdown on set?? Why not let Lyndsay Lohan direct while you're at it? I'd be pissed if I was a News Corp shareholder.

>FF MCU movie set during the 60s, complete with campy retro-future tech and cheesy tongue-in-cheek vintage America in-jokes

Would it work?

I'd pay to go see it.

Maybe the only way it could work, it'd explain why Reed Richards or the FF were never brought up in the MCU thus far.

A combination of too little and too much oversight? They left the project in inexperienced hands, and when they finally checked up on him and realized the shitshow he created, too many people got involved trying to salvage it.

No user, we're losers. Not the same thing.

I think the other dimensions thing could be used to a lot of interesting stuff.
How about the F4 get trapped in another dimension with mole people?
The thing about attaching an idea like that to their origin means you don't need to explain the strangeness of the bad guys. Technically Space does that too but generally Grey Skinned hoards with pew pew ray guns who don't speak are what come from space.

Trank was an in-demand director who had only one major film to his list (Chronicle), and no one expected this would happen.

Sometimes breakdowns happen on other sets but it's usually a crapshoot and the studio tries to mitigate any possible disasters.

In this case, Trank made it harder for them to do so.

I don't know, for some reason I'm really attached to the space origin.
It's outdated, but I feel like it's core to the Fantastic Four.
I think they tried to modernize the Fantastic Four comics in the 90's and there was this cool thing where when the ship crashed, all of the members ended up in places that represented their powers.
I think Reed might've fallen in a lake, and Ben ended up in Mexico or something. It'd be better if I knew the specifics, but I thought it was really cool.

If you want to completely revamp the Fantastic Four though you could do it like Captain America meets Guardians of the Galaxy.
Four criminals that volunteer for an experiment in order to shorten their prison sentence or get rid of it entirely.
Reed becomes a rogue scientist.
Sue a rowdy super model/Amber Rose type arrested for drinking and driving or something.
Johnny is her famous actor brother. I don't know what his crime would be, date rape is too extreme.
And Ben? I don't know, maybe a construction worker charged with manslaughter.

>2008, The Dark Knight becomes the second coming of christ, raping the box office
>suddenly every studio wants to do Nolan style shit
>Fox not subtly announces in 2009 this is their plan with Fantastic Four
>MCU is only two movies deep at this point with a hint at how big it could be, but still so far away from hitting a billion with each release
>Fox looks at Nolan and says they want a dark reboot with a moderate sized budget thats more grounded than before aka rooted in science
>its 2012 now
>finally found a fresh director with potential that has a slight degree of experience with sci-fi like how Nolan was with the mystery/thriller genre was pre Begins
>all plans are ago
>Avengers comes out and rapes the box office proving Feige was right about everything
>Fox is already in too deep
>Continue on with Trank's pitch which is exactly what they wanted
>realize its not where they should be midway through, especially now that the MCU is proving to not be a fluke given that Iron Man 3 hit a billion, Thor 2 close to 700, Winter Soldier 750 and Literally Whos Of The Galaxy make 800 million respectively in box office alone
>have extensive reshoots that don't even attempt to hide that they're reshoots
>movie comes out and its objectively shit

Does anyone else feel bad for Trank?

I was indifferent to Chronicle, but Fox got exactly what they asked for with this movie. It's not his fault given how these movies are made.

>blaming the outcome of your life on the size of your dick

Play the hand you're dealt my nigga.

No. He was a cockmunch who looked at the source material for two seconds, said "fuck that noise", and shat out an unsalvageable train wreck. Fuck his dumb face.

... That doesn't work at all. Sue Storm's character was never Party Girl.

Fuck you.

That's the only part that doesn't work? What was Sue like originally then?

I'm just saying, men with tiny dicks have lived great lived and men with monster dongs have died with no one to mourn them. Don't give yourself an excuse to fail

You sound like you're trying to make yourself feel better too.

>great lives

Just finished reading Hickman's FF run (my first ever FF reading) and... wow.
It's everything you'd expect from a FF comic:
>Love and family
>Galactus
>Time travel
>Alternate realities
>Inhumans
>Space shenanigans
>Doom
>Galactus

It just put the movies into perspective and how bad they've been. Why can't they get the FF right? They've got all the ingredients for a fantastic sci-fi movie.

Also what do I read to fill this FF void in my life? I loved Hickman's FF.

Why do they feel the need to fuck with Doom? He's a perfect villain already. How is making him a CEO or hacker more appealing to Fox? He's a guy that is a dictator who know magic. How is that not great?

Nah, but I am a short guy and I've always applied the same logic there. Nothing I can do to change reality, and whining accomplishes nothing.

There are certainly women that will only fuck tall guys with big dicks, but that's not everyone woman in the world.

Ultimately, accepting failure as a foregone conclusion is a shitty way to live

Stupid Chadlet shut the fuck up
Let us have this Fantastic Four thread in peace

B-because a guy with a name like Doom is silly and he needs to be grounded in reality so people can enjoy it because otherwise it'd be lame, unlike the rest of the movie.

Whoops meant to reply to I'm a little drunk, which is why I'm droppin' n-bombs and getting philisophical

Why did they spend the first third of the movie building the teleporter, then spend the same amount of time building the second one? Maybe if they hadn't wasted thirty minutes doing the exact same sequence again they could have actually developed the characters.

I still hold great fondness for Lee/Kirby. Maybe it's because Kirby will always be king but it's just a bunch of great little stories. Also interesting since nearly everything in the Marvel universe until the 70's somehow was linked with F4. So seeing how it all started is nice.

Wow, I didnt know that this is from Marvel. Instead of DC comics

Is it collected in trades?
I've read 0 F4.
Thats too weird. How is he magic if the F4 are astronauts?
Dictators and drug dealers get called things like "Doctor Doom" all the time. The name can be taken seriously.

>The name can be taken seriously
In case the stutter at the start didn't clue you in, I was being sarcastic.
>I've read 0 F4
HOW?

>HOW?
Fantastic Four is boring as shit, and this is coming from someone that owns the very first issue. Get over your shit series.

Stop being such a negative nancy.

eat an entire ass

you cant make a film about a stretchy man, a fire guy, a woman who makes bubbles and goes invisible and a rock man in 2016 and make it work

ff is a dead concept and outdated

inb4 "you cant make a film about a giant green hulk monster, a man in iron armor, a god, and a super soldier"

those all work, the fantastic four just don't work well on the big screen

Then how come a guy who turns green when he's mad, a guy who can shrink, a guy who dresses up like a bat at night or a blind lawyer who punches people a lot still work?

No. Read up on his behaviour. Dude deserves to get his ass kicked.

It did clue me in actually.
But like I said when I posted about wanting a Dr Doom movie, you can and should make Doom as gritty and grounded as you can. (While still being a science wizard) And make the F4 as bright and colorful as possible. Put Doom in the real world where children get blown up by suicide bombers and Reed in a clean neon cgi mess.
This nigger isn't me.

>and posts on Sup Forums gossip

wait what?

>modern world
>advancing anything other than social awareness
oh, you want to go to space. too bad abdule jamar rokko in bum fuck india is poor,

I think manlets with micropenis can compensate to some level, but out of them only a few will alleviate the pain.

Being virgin and hated for things you cant control is not that bad, I am 2 and I haven't killed myself despite having a 4 inch dick and being shorter than a 13 year old at 5'4".

He allegedly went on Sup Forums and talked about the internal strife of the project. Screencaps are somewhere. Worth the read but keep in mind he was out to cover his own ass and pin everything on FOX.

Then just go full gay.

>obvious things like the fact that fantastic four has a tone incompatible with the modern day
Are you trying to say that a film about the importance of family, and sticking together as one is a theme that people today cannot comprehend?

>What is The Incredibles

Fuck off.

>I just can't think of any possible way to do Fantastic Four in modern day
It's literally equal parts The Incredibles and Doctor Who. It should be easy as shit to make, and make in a way that normies love.
I don't understand how they keep fucking it up.

If they ever got the rights back, I don't think they would make movies focused on them.
Only if people somehow liked them in ensemble movies.

F4 can be it's own thing easily. Fox is just fucking moronic and feel the need to change everything about them to somehow "modernize" them. When they are fine the way they were.

At least it's better than the Dragons movies.

Nah, their reputation is completely fucked by now, like videogame movies.
Not a surprise when Marvel tried negotiating, they only wanted Galactus and Silver Surfer.