How come Travis was so good at understanding/reading Betsy...

How come Travis was so good at understanding/reading Betsy? He shows poor social skills and difficulty in connecting to other people throughout the movie, but his analysis of her seems to be spot on. Explain this

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>his analysis of her seems to be spot on
It's ALL in his head.

>it's a dream
>he's dead and the movie is taken place in purgatory
>the underlying theme is the seven deadly sins
>it's all taken place in the Rick and Morty universe
please take your reddit fan theories back to r/fantheories

>>it's a dream
>>he's dead and the movie is taken place in purgatory
>>the underlying theme is the seven deadly sins
>>it's all taken place in the Rick and Morty universe
I didn't say or imply any of those. Fuck you. Believe whatever you want. It's kinda the point of the movie anyway.

Sorry mate, I thought you implied that the whole movie was taken place in Travis's mind which is a theory that comes up whenever you try to discuss this movie.
>Believe whatever you want. It's kinda the point of the movie anyway.
That applies to the ending, moral and the character of Travis, but this is more of a direct question about a thing in the movie that's doesn't leave a lot to be interpreted.

I think he means the analysis of the girl is all in his head/he thinks about this too often/its not correct at all.

he never stood a chance with her, he was a manlet

sorry for misinterpreting my man
She seems to agree with him though?

I just rewatched the scene and it seems to me it's like one of those personality tests. He says things that are applicable to nearly everyone and it makes you feel special. Do you think this is the case? I think she was interested in him because she sees herself as special and that he's also another "different soul" that sees her for what she "truly is". But then it turns out he was just a nutjob and the illusion breaks

Anyone who thinks it was all a dream didn't understand the movie. If the dream theory were true, all the movie's social commentary about the media, race, crime, vigilantism, loneliness, etc. falls apart, and all you're left with is muh mind fuck.

Besides, Scorsese and Schrader have rejected the dream theory numerous times.

My understanding is that a major part of the movie is only him daydreaming. Some parts actually do happen, like when he works out or when he writes letters to his parents or even that he's a cabby or even the talk with the secret service guy. He also stalks Betsy from his car that he parks outside her office. But he never actually goes in and asks her out, that's just his imagination. The date is also just him daydreaming about it. I don't mean that he is ACTUALLY dreaming it or that he can't separate reality from his dreams, he just likes to play around certain romantic scenarios in is head because he is lonely as fuck. The ending of the movie actually kind of proves this hypothesis. Somehow Betsy (whose name might not even be Betsy) actually gets in his cab to drive her home and of course Travis gets all nervous I imagine. See how they act like they don't even know each other? That's because they don't, they've never been on a date. Betsy was his waifu/oneitis he was obsessing about, while she didn't even know he existed.

I mean maybe I'm just retarded, but I'm a lonely person too (I'm an /r9k/ native for fucks sake) and I stalk women I know or go to uni with on FB all the time and imagine unrealistic romantic dates or even moving in together etc. And in reality those girls don't even know my name. Travis is going through the same thing.

You don't have to agree with this """theory""", but every time I watch the movie (I've seen it more than 10 times already), it just reassures me that this is indeed the case. Maybe next time you see it try watching it with this in mind. This was the plot makes a lot of sense.

Sorry it took me this long to respond.

There is no indication that the complete film is just a dream. And even if that would debase the whole movie. You can make the popular argument that the very last scene is Travis dying and fantasizing about the outcome of his bravery but I don't see anything else that alludes "it was just a dream bro"

>/r9k/ native for fucks sake
opinion disregarded

>Anyone who thinks it was all a dream didn't understand the movie. If the dream theory were true, all the movie's social commentary about the media, race, crime, vigilantism, loneliness, etc. falls apart, and all you're left with is muh mind fuck.
It's wasn't all a dream though. Everything was real, minus interacting and dating Betsy and going to the pimp and hiring an escort and then going all vigilante.

epic xD

>major part of the movie is daydreaming
there's no reason to believe this, and if you believe this a lot of the movie's message and themes fall apart

>the movie's message and themes fall apart
Specifically which parts?

I played with that theory too but how would you explain the second date at the porno cinema? Is he so unstable that he sabotages his own daydream? And at the end they don't act like don't know each other when did you last see the movie, you're way off? He acts distanced to show her he is over her which, for me, is an indication that he hasn't changed back and the last image, his irritated glance in the rear mirror might show his anger still isn't gone. Seems like you should rewatch with a more literal approach.

>Is he so unstable that he sabotages his own daydream?
heh I do this

why does he look so annoyed in the "organizized" part? she doest get it at first and then repeats exactly what he just told her, do I think he thought she wasnt listening?

>He acts distanced to show her he is over her which
Or to hide the fact that he was stalking her all this time. How would you act if the girl you've been stalking for months gets in your car?

>Is he so unstable that he sabotages his own daydream?
I wouldn't call it sabotage, not all daydreams are fun. He was imagining a date going bad. Haven't you played around with scenarios that embarrassing to you??

his warped view on dating
social commentary on masculinity comparing Travis to the jokester in her office
the whole hero/terrorist juxtaposition
literally everything this movie has to say

"It's just a dream" is the worst fan theory and somehow the most common one. Only time it's applicable is Mullholland Drive

Maybe it just implies that she is just an easy character to read, a personality with not much depth. Plus, being a cabby, he might have better skills at knowing a person just by presumption, although still not being a real personable guy.

Ok I get it. You don't want to discuss, you want to project your little life on the movie.
Here is the scene:

youtube.com/watch?v=X4wsSRpKXNU

She calls him by his name for christ's sake, but that just in his head right? You know you could apply this theory to almost any movie, it has no merit, it has no meaning.
Basically this

cuck?

why was he so fucking weird

Cocaine.

A lot of cocaine

>social commentary on masculinity comparing Travis to the jokester in her office
The "jokester" guy is real in my interpretation. They don't actually interact, but you can make fun of someone based on their looks. Haven't you?

>the whole hero/terrorist juxtaposition
He still hates where the world is headed and he still hates those pimps and "screwheads" and "scum" and "fuckers", but who doesn't?

>literally everything this movie has to say
"I'm God's lonely man" is what the movie has to stay. Emphasis on lonely. He isn't some vigilante hero who Gotham needs or whatever most people think of this movie. His major problem is loneliness (among other things).

>She calls him by his name for christ's sake
His name is literally on a plate in the car for the customers to see it. How did Palantine know his name? Retard.

i mean there's no way I can disprove that it is a dream, and thats part of what makes it so stupid. You can apply it to literally any movie or any show, and all it does is render the things happening in the movie meaningless.

That is the point he won't get. My bet is autism, not even kidding at this point.

>i mean there's no way I can disprove that it is a dream
Maybe it's intended?

>all it does is render the things happening in the movie meaningless
To me this is how it makes sense. I don't know, each to his own. I'm not saying taking the movie literally is stupid, but I can relate to it a lot more if I do. Whatever.

What would you say about pic related? To me it's very similar, although Patrick isn't daydreaming, he is probably actually going insane slowly. Even the director and even Ellis said it's not real, but whenever I bring it up on Sup Forums people freak out.

This. Even with straightforward movies like Goodfellas you could apply the similar theory of, "Oh, it was just Henry daydreaming what the life of a gangster could be like, and the ending, yeah, he didn't actually go into the WPP, he just lived a regular life"

Pretty sure the director has said it was all real in American Psycho.

that's a whole other type of movie; the twist and culmination of the movie is that we learn that the narrator can't be trusted and we don't know what happened and what didn't.
Ultimately, it doesn't really matter what really did happen. It's a peak inside the mind of a psycho, it's dark comedy and it's social criticism.

Taxi Driver doesn't revolve about what's true or not. It's a big part of American Psycho, and Mullholland Drive, but there nothing that calls for the viewer to question whether the events happened or not.

the last time I witnessed someone projecting this hard I saw Satantango at an open air screening

That theory of travis dreaming about dating Betsy is fucking stupid

>hurr durr it's fucking stupid xD
fuck you guys

Analyzing people is not the same as social skills. The former is rational, the latter is mostly emotional/instinctive.

read the thread, it's just a r9k fag projecting his loneliness and inability to talk to women on the movie. You see if Travis actually talked to Betsy he wouldn't be able to identify with him so it's all just a dream, Travis is just the sperg that he is in his little theory.

>People come up with legitimate rebuttles
>F-fuck you guys
typical /r9k/

>>People come up with legitimate rebuttles
Except that no one came up with anything just hurr durrs and "lol that's stupid lmao XD"

>in his little theory
Except that there are fucking blogposts all over the internet arguing about what parts (if not all) are imagination.

>I swear this movie is about me, you guys are just stupid!

I'm not a pusher, I've never pushed!

>Except that no one came up with anything just hurr durrs
dude you got like 5 well thought out replies before people started name calling, I suggest you re-read them

also
>there are fucking blogposts all over the internet arguing about what parts (if not all) are imagination.
I've also read that the Simpson family is dead, everyone in Scrubs is dead, etc etc
fan theories are fucking retarded

not a native english speaker; what is a pusher in this context?

>fan theories are fucking retarded
>hurr durr I don't like this theory therefore it's fucking retarded

again, they're almost always theories that are impossible to "debunk" and also add absolutely nothing to the film/show.
there's a difference between discussing movies & movie characters, or discussing whether what happens in Scrubs is all in JD's head (which is pointless, stupid and adds nothing)

someone who deals drugs

thanks man

>Travis is daydreaming
>Travis is imagining taking the girl outside
>They go on a porno treater
>but guys he is experimenting with the date gone bad scenario
I mean, think whatever you want, this alone sounds plain stupid.

Also, I will give you that in the end they act like they may not know each other, but who would keep calling the driver by his name or stare at him and ask how much it is like this.
Also, if the vigilante thing is all in his imagination, what did she read in the papers about him, as she says in the end, which is not part of his imagination?

>blogposts legitimize a theory

lol ok

>most of these aren't about the ending

Damn I repeatedly replied saying that the most common theory is that the ending might be Travis dying and fantasizing about becoming a hero and ditching the girl he doesn't want anymore. That is probably exactly the theory you picked up and misconstrued to fit your life and mindset. Which is fine but why do you insist that this theory is anything but a personalized little exercise in projecting for you.

This. There's a huge difference between discussing things, like what happened in the Sopranos ending or who's the Thing at the end of the The Thing because the entire movie/series built to these moments. They're things the creators actively want you to think about. there's nothing about Taxi Driver in its story-telling or its direction or EVEN ITS CORE THEMES that suggest any of it was a dream

someone needs to listen to Superfly

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