Why don't western cartoons use English Pop music use as the opening theme?
Why don't western cartoons use English Pop music use as the opening theme?
Nathaniel Green
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Matthew Sanders
because it'll be dated in a few months?
Josiah Gray
Because it's a bad idea. Also, western Pop artists don't sell their souls to the company store so they expect actual compensation for shit like that.
Mason Davis
Because it's cheaper to have your composer make a minute long clip than license a song. Japanese shows are sponsored by companies that own the rights to musicians work and can set up deals to feature tracks as OPs and EDs
Bentley Walker
Why don't western cartoons use English Pop music use as the ending theme?
Isaac Lewis
Probably too expensive.
Also, can you imagine Adventure Time with a pop intro by Rhianna or something? Jesus God just kill me now.
Cameron Brooks
RIAA, music licensing fees, and individuality.
Do you remember "Daria"?
In order to release it on DVD, they had to remove the music tracks from every episode. Because licensing them all would have cost more than the cartoon was worth in DVD sales. Our music copyright system is so ass-backwards that it makes it cheaper to just write an original theme tune.
Joshua Reed
I always fucking cringe because of anime pop.
It's a stupid trope that should leave anime.
It doesn't matter what genre, if it's grim dark or if it's middle ages fantasy the show HAS to have a pop song that doesn't have any relation to the show and doesn't even represent the show.
In America we make our own songs with a jingle that introduces the show, offers insight into the themes of the series and follows the same beat.
OPM at least had Jap metal which is pretty funny. And Lain had a Vietnamese acoustic guitar for her opening. Other anime should follow that.
Benjamin Campbell
>another "why don't cartoons just become anime" thread
Jaxson Young
Because the network requires shows to have theme songs to explain the basic concept of the show to new viewers, not to sell CDs.
And Americans don't buy CDs.
Dylan Clark
because english pop is shit and not catchy at all.
Adrian Walker
I'd rather not have to sit through the same two minute music video every episode.
Jack Hill
Because Western singers would demand a gorillion dollars.
Jaxson Wright
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infinitely more memorable
Jeremiah Morgan
But i like some Pop songs there like this
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Ryan Bennett
Nothing beats this
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Mason Walker
Oh man, I just know someone is going to show up and start a whole western animation vs anime debate.
James Davis
Fuck i meant this to
Jose Lewis
I have always said the copyright system needs an overhaul but it's to risky to auctualy do it in case it gets hyjacked by faggots that just want to get rid of copyright altogether.
Adrian Smith
Jayden Hill
This. Who the fuck actually wants to hear Rihanna every half hour when CN airs a marathon
Joshua Brown
>Why don't western cartoons use English Pop music use as the opening theme?
Because in Japan, the record labels pay the studios to include their songs in the cartoon.
In the West, the studios have to pay the record labels for the license to use their songs in the cartoon.
Easton Baker
In western, the intro is much less important than eastern.
Aiden Hughes
Because the show would have to pay instead of the show GETTING paid like in Japan.
Nicholas Flores
Because it come's off as cringey. The closest thing that we ever got was generator rex.
Jeremiah Campbell
Anthony Lopez
Anime OPs are not all the same. They are not all pop songs or the same kind of pop songs. Shows like Psycho-Pass, Kabaneri, Knights of Sidonia and Overlord don't have the same kind of OPs as Yuru Yuri, Anne Happy and K-On. The production committee does excercise some common sense when deciding on the song. Sometimes they're even instrumentals.
This season:
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The OP/ED system of anime is great because the record company covers some of the production costs, there's an additional source of revenue, and the artist and anime both promote each other, but I don't know if it could be implemented in America.
Daniel Green
Also I forgot to say that OPs usually seem to be composed specifically for the show, not just picked from a list.
Lucas Harris
it's a shame really.
Japanese music does sound more pleasing to the ears, half of it is probably because i don't speak the language.
Robert Roberts
Western cartoons occasionally get popular artists to do their intros. It doesn't happen often, but it happens.
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Isaiah Davis
i fucking love the Paradise Kiss ED.
Anthony Thomas
I'm reminded of Yona's 2nd OP that was a not a well-fitting song compared to the first OP
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Joseph Williams
I have always liked OPs in anime because i always found myself some good japanese music to listen.
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Aaron Butler
>half of it is probably because i don't speak the language.
Probably yeah it is a language that is pleasing to the ears but I'm sure understanding a lot of those songs will cause you to hate them.
There probably no difrent in theme to western stuff
Austin Jackson
American pop artists are soulless and demand a whole lot more money than Japanese ones. Also the copyright system in the west is fucked.
Dominic Ross
Holy shit! It will be like an AMV shit
Chase Young
Sometimes they do just grab a song that happens to be popular. This One Piece song, for example:
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It's just a Japanese cover of an English Eurobeat song that happened to be popular at the time (which later got recursively dubbed into English). It wasn't even composed specifically for the show.
Christian Barnes
Half the reason I love Jojo's is all of the references to western music acts.
Juan Green
This happened to Mission Hill, too.
Andrew Johnson
>Jojo uses Savage Garden as an ED theme
That is so fucking surreal...
Liam Scott
Yeah, Yona's second OP is a real blunder. It doesn't fit and they recycled so much of the footage from the first one.
Red Garden is also a good example.
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Neither of them fit the show, the ED least of all. I'm sure they were just forced to include something, anything, they could sell as singles.
And this is the music that the composer and a singer produced for the soundtrack, which fit the tone of the show:
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They could have made really fitting and memorable OPs and EDs for the series, but alas. The integration of the music and anime industries doesn't always produce good results.
Caleb Clark
Eurobeat is fucking 10/10.
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Juan Harris
A whole host of interrelated reasons. Primarily:
- Money
Dollars flow towards artists and music labels in the US, not the other way around as with Japanese media conglomerates that use anime as an advertising platform for merchandise beyond toys. This is why on the occassion when a Western pop song headlines an anime in Japan, it isn't replicated for the American release of that title.
>Appropriate opportunities
90 seconds on either end of an episode is insanely luxurious for a one-hour time slot in the US, let alone a half-hour. That's because there are major structural differences in commercial advertising between late-night anime and most American television.
- Lack of incentive
American cartoons and produced for young kids, a demographic that does not consume copious amounts of music. Therefore, nobody gains from advertising a couple new top 40 singles to them.
Anthony Bell
>I don't know if it could be implemented in America.
Good point. What artist would want "As heard in the Wonder Over Yonder cartoon!" with a goofy character on the front of an album?
Isaiah Phillips
One Piece might be different as it's a continuously running show.
Benjamin Cox
DID SOMEONE SAY EUROBEAT!
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Evan Watson
Because ukulele music is interchangeable with bank and yogurt adverts.
Matthew Reyes
These are good points.
There's a lot of differences like this between the American and Japanese industries that aren't immediately obvious.
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Nicholas Campbell
American companies barely spend money as is. You really think they'd spend more.
Ayden Morris
Although it did just occur to me that daytime anime does have commercials, but uses OPs and EDs the same way late night anime does. And anime that's aimed at children also sells music. The girls' series Aikatsu! even revolves around music and there's been a lot of album releases.
Luis Thompson
Julian Davis
EDs are good too.
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>inb4 moeshit
yes i know but i enjoyed Non Non Biyori
Jayden Diaz
You are full of shit
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Tyler Collins
Yeah, the power of idol culture, mang.
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Justin Sullivan
They sell even character cds with just two musics.
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Stupid sexy Mai Stupid sexy Sakamoto as well
Ian Bailey
If you think that's surreal Savage Garden is releasing a new album and they have Josuke on the cover
Henry Rogers
Konosubas ED was comfy
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Cooper Martin
I really liked Rakugo's OP, speaking of last season
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Jack Morris
jpop is just as bad m8
the 3 worst music genres are
1 metal
2 pop
3 rap
Isaac Kelly
That's a top tier OP right there
Eli Jones
Wow.
Jordan Jones
But there is a lot good jpop but i do agree that most of it is bad.
Wyatt Hernandez
The ED is also great.
Julian Wood
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Jacob Cooper
Too much hype for an 11-minute cartoon.
Example:
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Julian Diaz
>the 3 worst music genres are
>1 metal
>2 pop
>3 rap
Kayden Sanders
Japan already proved it works.
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Jordan Wright
Because the opening for a western cartoon isn't really a marketable product like the opening to an anime.
The opening to an anime is selling you the single for that song.
I can't think of too many western shows at all that managed to have an opening worth selling besides Friends.
Jayden Lopez
20 sec opening for a 5 min episode.
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Ironically with all the gratuitous english in many animes this one is a Japanese opening in an educational anime to teach English. Also the story is pretty good.
Grayson Evans
Money.
It's cheaper to make their own theme
Adam Bailey
Kevin Mantei is pretty good. youtu.be
It is a shame that people don't care as much about music in the west.
Luis Bennett
Because the US is faggy but not herbivore men level faggy yet.
Ethan King
Did you grab this from a "cartoons only you remember" thread?
Leo Jenkins
Usakame has a 40 second opening for 3:30 long episodes. The ending is 50 seconds. Pan de Peace!'s opening is 30 seconds out of 3:15.
Is music now faggy?
Asher Foster
>anime's opening is just a character walking around/sitting and staring with a few action scenes sprinkled in with zero flow between shots
Glad this doesn't happens often anymore.
Jack Wilson
Because practically no channel shows credits full-screen anymore.
Dylan Brooks
pop is nOT A GENRE YOU MONGOLOID
Leo Wood
I think Paranoid Android was so expensive to license the network (Fuse, not Adult Swim) had to pay for it.
Ayden Brown
>jpop
>"good" by any stretch of the word
Jesus christ weeb are this deluded
Luis Wilson
different strokes for different folks, ya faggot
Jayden Mitchell
It is good, and enjoying it doesn't make anyone a weeaboo.
Bentley Perry
>It is good
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Sorry mang, i don't have the capacity to enjoy something "ironically"
Caleb Price
I thought we were talking about music appearing in anime.
Samuel Sanders
Not him but most viewed doesn't means the best. It is like saying that the most viewed american music videos represents all american music.
Oliver Barnes
Money reasons, and just as well, too.
Modern pop music is mostly trash. At least, the stuff generally popular enough to be licensed as a theme song is. Do you really want to be listening to some horrible Gaga or Rihanna shit whenever you tune in to comedy carton #5253262?
Everything about that show was comfy.
First anime in years to actually make me laugh.
Asher Watson
>Top 50 most viewed J-pop videos
>see look guys i know j-pop and it sucks lol
Carson Garcia
Well, people seems to like that Zootopia music...
Jack Perry
>i know j-pop
No, im all of it/99% it's shit, pointing out that one song that isn't doesn't disprove what i said
Liam Jackson
>the most viewed american music videos represents all american music
they are indicative of the music tendencies/style of the country, what are you on about ?
Benjamin Garcia
*saying
Isaac Lewis
It represents what's popular, which defines the mainstream trends. Of course there will always be outliers, but those aren't what people are listening to.
Gavin Green
They are usually shit. At least my country have lots of good music that is popular overseas but what is popular in the country is shit.
Ryder Nelson
Duran Duran's Girls on Film was used for the opening for Speed Grapher.
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However when Funimation did the series they couldn't get rights to use the song so they only used this opening.
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Zachary Reyes
There was a period when using Western OP/ED music was trendy or there was some other rationale for it.
Samuel Johnson
Have some Japanese Funk
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Bentley Ward
because they're not allowed to make an opening longer than 10 seconds so they go with something simple
Nolan Perez
Ah yes, the first half of the 2000s
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