How are you coping with the death of storytelling? Where people literally can't handle writing dialogue for a villain you're supposed to hate and have to insert immersion shattering 4th wall breaking "jokes"
That the bad guy's actions and words would clearly explain that he is a bad guy and thus you should condemn them is no longer an appropriate option.
>it's a "Marvel is literally the only comic publisher that exists" thread
Cool.
Because when they do end up writing the bad guy's dialogue out we end up with endless "Red Skull was right" threads.
>Marvel
Isn't that a flaw of the writer then?
A good writer is able to get their message across through their paneling and their dialogue choices.
Even a mediocre writer can do the same by just making everything over the top.
It's a truly bad writer who is so poor with how they deliver their message that it ends up making people believe the opposite.
Not OP but for me, I grew up loving Marvel.
I don't mind sjw stuff...Marvel has always been on a liberal bend but nowadays instead of telling they just scream it.
And if you disagree? Fuck you, HITLER.
Alright, but that's a completely difference thing there, that's inserting real life politics in your comic books, no matter how cheesy you think it is, it still follows story structure, allowing you to know what's happening, unlike OP's example.
>And if you disagree? Fuck you, HITLER.
citation needed
>How are you coping with the death of storytelling?
Media has always been used as a platform for expressing one's views. Literally since the idea of fiction came about, people have used it to get a point across.
Get over it, and shut the fuck up. Nobody is forcing you to read this stuff. Fuckin' crybaby.
Also this. You can't have compelling villains anymore, because edgelord readers will immediately side with them.
Would you prefer if storytelling stayed exactly the same as last decade, or the decade before it, while the rest of human expression actually reflected modern human behavior? Because that's how a tradition dies. Stories must reflect the times they're made in. We scream at each other, so our stories scream at us too.
I'm even a liberal and I think Red Skull has a valid point here.
I swear to god, between this page and the Red Skull page I don't know which triggers Sup Forumstards more.
Far less retarded than say some Asgard local knowing the matters of MRA/Casual racism, & having opinions on Israel's right to defend itself.
That's literally the entire point you fuckwit. Do you think fascists get in to power by NOT playing off of valid fears?
You're missing the point I'm trying to make. I don't have a problem with the view being expressed in that comic. I have a problem with how they're being delivered because they lack any sort of finesse or art to them. The idea that any words should be considered "too taboo" to read is insane.
Like we're going back to the days where copies of Huckleberry Finn were removed because they had the word nigger in them.
I do not agree. I believe storytelling as a medium is not assisted by suddenly feelings subjects are too taboo to talk up without BIG BLACK BOXES TELLING YOU HOW BAD THEY ARE.
It'd be like watching a documentary on the holocaust but then when they want to show you accounts of the subject you just get a blank screen saying "SOME PRETTY AWFUL STUFF WE AREN'T COMFORTABLE SHOWING"
Thats...literally how any politician ever wins you fucking mouth breather.
What do you think, people running for office just say "Everything's fine, don't change a thing!"?
Sup Forumstards are just as easy to trigger as SJWs
Just take whatever you would say to trigger a SJW and say the opposite
Wait, is this not a shop? Holy fuck.
>I have a problem with how they're being delivered because they lack any sort of finesse or art to them.
Bullshit. If that were the case, you would've specified that in the beginning. Either you're yet another asshole who will not stop whining about DA SJWS IS TAKING A WAY MUH COMICS, or you suck at articulating your thoughts. Either way, you're an annoying little faggot who needs to shut up and kill yourself.
He might be bad at articulating his thoughts, but it's undeniable that this is an issue with comic books right now
Yeah this, also kill all whites and support the refugees
I cope by not reading those shitty comics. People act like the majority of comics do nothing but spout sjw nonsense like this in idiotic ways like this.
Christ how manu fucking threads has this dumb page on a comic utterly reviled and already cancelled gonna get posted as if its the hottest thing oing right now.
Cooe by just reading other shit you fucking oversensitive faggot.
I don't fuckin' care. Bad writing and gimmicks have been a thing in fiction since the birth of made up stories. I'm sick and tired of hearing the lot of you retarded sacks of rat filth bitching about it 24/7, nonstop. If you dislike a book/series, throw it against the wall and move on to something you enjoy, like a sane person would. Whatever the main issue with the medium is, it will pass in time like all the other questionable trends. Pouches went away eventually, so will this.
Again, get over it, and shut the fuck up.
Why are you so invested in wanting discussion about this to stop?
Why do you feel the need to try and quash it rather than just ignore it like you're telling us to do about said comics?
You're being hypocritical.
That's kind of what Hillary's doing
>Batman thinks cops should just let 6'3" 'youths' rush and jump them
People are passionate about these characters.
>Why are you so invested in wanting discussion about this to stop?
Because it's annoying as fuck, and NEVER stops. That is all anyone does on this damn site anymore, is bitch about Tumblr.SJWs/whatever.
>Why do you feel the need to try and quash it rather than just ignore it like you're telling us to do about said comics?
Because I cannot discuss anything I like anymore since idiots like you will seek out anything you think is progressive and start a huge shitstorm about it.
>You're being hypocritical.
Maybe I am, but again, I don't fuckin' care. You're an annoying faggot, and you need to shut your damn hole until you can make something worthwhile come out of it.
Cry more faggot.
No, seriously, the shit's on topic, and as long as that holds true, mouthbreathing little wankstains who want to dictate what a fella can or can not talk about can suck my fucking dick and stroke my fucking balls.
Kys.
Wait... What. This was the actual comic page? I thought this just a shop the entire time.
Inherently, there's nothing wrong with readers sympathizing with the villains. Good villains can have that effect, especially when the point is that they're charismatic populists. You had this with Amon, in Legend of Korra. He sold a story everyone wanted to hear, including the "all men rape" Tumblr crowd. I don't know if you've had a look at Tumblr while that season was running, but pretty much all the permanently offended tumblrina's were siding with Amon.
And yeah, Amon put their whole "equal results" approach to social justice into practice. But Amon was also revealed to be a hypocrite who had ulterior motives.
Gul Dukat from DS9 is also an example of a charismatic villain. He's loyal to his people, seems much more accepting of others than what is the norm for his society, and so on. Like Amon, there are times he makes a lot of sense, and seems like he might get redemption and move towards the lighter side of the spectrum. But he's also a controlling maniac, and is probably only not a rapist because he's just such a manipulative bastard. Like Amon, he crosses the line from charismatic champion into crazy, self-serving cult leader territory.
But you know what sets those two apart from Red Skull? They both support fantasy causes, and their reasoning is eventually shown to be false. For Red Skull they basically lift a real life opinion they don't agree with, and shoehorn it into a villain role. And any point the writer might make about how he's really just a cult leader, like the others mentioned, is cut short by that. Because all that does is insult the genuine concerns real life people already have. If you make him say communist shit instead, you'd be seeing reposts on Reddit about how he's actually right, and Captain America is just a jingoist, nationalist bully.
In short: No, it's you who is the edgelord.
>only one publish does this much
>even then it's just a handful of books/writers
>even then those books mostly sell like garbage
You really are a big baby, you know that?
Didn't Nick Spencer say he lifted Red Skull's dialogue straight from extremist group recruitment speeches?
>Tumblr tumblr, tumblr tumblr tumblr tumblr. Tumblr tumblr tumblr, tumblr tumblr.
Part of it has to do with white men having such a grip over popular culture that the slight uptick in women and minorities having major roles in popular culture as some kind of attack on them personally. The percentage is pretty fucking small, but it's still noticeable by comparison.
Because constant threads moaning and mewing about the horrid woebegotten era comics have come to are fucking tiresome. This stupid page has been bitched about a hundred fucking times. So if you feel the need to continue crying about how it ruined everything I'll feel free to wander in here and call you a faggot for doing so.
Literally triggered
I agree, fucking sexist manbabies baka
I think that movie looks like shit while also thinking the reaction around it is fucking retarded.
Everyone from all sides seem to be acting like a moron around it.
>What do you think, people running for office just say "Everything's fine, don't change a thing!"?
That's the literal platform of any conservative group.
I don't know, but it's definitely the point that he's just taking shit people in real life already agree with, and he doesn't. There's nothing particularly smart about just taking people you dislike in real life, and making them the villains in your wish fulfillment comic. Especially because these guys sure as shit haven't strapped bombs to themselves, as they do in the comic. That's basically just propaganda. In fact, you could replace what he says with any other ideology, and nothing changes. Just make Red Skull a muslim, and you'll have complaints about wrongful representation within no time, no matter if you lift his speech directly from Anjem Choudary.
I mention Tumblr literally twice. Because the people who sided with a cartoon villain professed their support for him on that, specific site.
But it figures you mongs who just want to see your own political opinion reflected back at you in fiction couldn't form a coherent argument if your life depended on it.
Make Red Skull a Muslim, and he's an ISIS recruiter
I agree with that Devin Farci one. The sheer amount of anger over what looks to be an unfunny comedy is absurd. All y'all need to calm the fuck down.
Frankly, I blame Bill Murray. Dude just has to be soooo picky about his projects, they decided to just say fuck it and reboot the franchise. And now Akroyd is dead, so that's especially never fucking happening.
>I mention Tumblr literally twice.
I don't care. Tired of hearing about Tumblr all the fucking time. If you cannot make your point without mentioning or referencing Tumblr, you can just go right ahead and not post.
>complaining that people complain about a movie
>still complaining about Star Trek V 30 years after the fact
Star Trek V wasn't even that bad, really.
Ramis is dead, Aykroyd's fine
My bad.
Yeah, it kinda was.
By reading things I consider good and ignoring things I consider bad
You should try doing it sometime
Well, yeah. It would be pretty fitting, given that Captain America started out as a propaganda tool who punched Hitler's lights out, and then just left for some reason instead of ending the war then and there.
But where ISIS is a genocidal foreign regime at war with the entire world, the people he's pointing his arrows at are... well, regular people. And saying "if you don't agree with my politics you're a literal suicide bomber bamboozled by smarter men to do their dirty work", you're not really writing a smart villain or making smart commentary. And the most likely response will be "right back at ya, commie".
Then maybe just stop moaning and piss off. I'm trying to make a point, here. And if you can't read a normal post without getting triggered at the mention of one of the most popular websites on the internet, especially for discussing pop culture, you can find some hugbox to be stupid in.
And the point is, you bumblecuck, that while people are moaning about right wingers agreeing with Red Skull, the literal polar opposite of what they represent agreed with another cartoon villain. Of course, the difference is that people agree with Red Skull because he's just saying shit they already believed, while people sided with Amon because they legitimately bought into the arguments of a literal cartoon villain.
>poeple say sjw cancer is s meme
>they say Sup Forumsmblr isn't real
well guess what. you fucks chose this future.
This is the entire problem right here, that you can't handle reading opinions you disagree with without screaming SHUT THE FUCK UP FUCKING CRYBABY SHUT UP.
So if a story has an actual villain in it who does bad things, you can't deal with it and start yelling SHUT THE FUCK UP FUCKING CRYBABY SHUT UP at your screen.
You literally need to grow the fuck up and learn to deal with things in the world that you don't like without shouting SHUT THE FUCK UP like a huge overgrown baby
Meh, people give it a rough deal, but compared to the other Trek films, I'd say they're massively overreacting. And I certainly prefer it over some of the TNG films. Insurrection is still painful to watch.
And at least V has a three-titted cat lady.
>runnjng against a socialist jew and an orange meme
Neither of whom really have much experience in running for office.
She definitely wasn't the more popular of the candidates though. She just knows how to play the game a lot better.
>I'm trying to make a point, here.
You're really not. You think you are, but all you're doing is whining, and it comes across like you're new to comics and aren't aware that this kind of stuff happens all the time.
The irony here is that you're doing exactly what you accusing me of. You can't even consider the idea that you're being an obnoxious prick. At this point it doesn't matter what you're trying to say, you never stop saying it. Very loudly and with disturbing frequency.
>She definitely wasn't the more popular of the candidates though. She just knows how to play the game a lot better.
I'm willing to bet that's exactly why she's less popular. Bernouts and Drumpfers are the people who are tired of the game being played either way.
>Frankly, I blame Bill Murray.
Yeah fuck him for not wanting to be in another shitty sequel. Maybe Sony should have just taken the fucking hint and not bothered making another Ghostbusters.
>you would've specified that in the beginning
He did.
>Where people literally can't handle writing dialogue for a villain you're supposed to hate and have to insert immersion shattering 4th wall breaking "jokes"
See? Right there it is.
When modern liberals try to write heroes and villains
- they write heroes as irrational angry narcissists, because modern liberals are irrational angry narcissists
- they write villains as reasonable people who make rational arguments for their views, because the modern liberal definition of "villain" is "those fucking shitty goddam fucking assholes fuck who makes rational arguments for their views, shut the fuck up delete your account"
Oh please, you haven't made a single argument in this entire discussion, and got triggered from me mentioning Tumblr. You're the one who's whining, and you're whining about me using a word that upsets you.
You seem to be the exact embodiment of the culture of permanent offense. The fact that you're upset is the only thing you need to feel like you're in the right.
Just fuck off to Reddit or something so you can hang out in some heavily moderated sub and receive downvote anything you don't like.
>You're whining about the Ghostbuster Reboot because you're still a child and need to grow up
I mean, the person who would entitle an article that is probably a cunt but the core point is sound.
I saw the trailer, thought it looked shit, and left it at that. I only even remember this movie's a thing due to other people being so mad they bring it into unrelated online discussions. Like, oh, right now.
>He shouts SHUT THE FUCK UP CRYBABY SHUT UP
>I say "you should stop shouting SHUT THE FUCK UP CRYBABY SHUT UP at everything"
>he says i'm doing the same thing he is
You can't really make up the totally detatched-from-reality irrationality of the modern trigglypuff tumblrbaby liberal
They think rational points are the same as irrational crybaby whining because they don't actually know the difference between rational points and irrational crybaby whining
Ghostbusters is a lot of people in the 30 y.o. demographic's favorite film of all time. It died off for a long time, so it's not looked at as a phenomenon the way, like, Batman is...but it's always been a huge deal to a lot of nerddom, just in a quiet and subdued way until the remake came along.
Post it.
What it mostly has to do with is that white men are being personally attacked by women and minorities
They literally can't just write or create their own movies or characters and are only happy when they take something away from white men
And then if white men shrug and say fuck it and create their own new thing then the women and minorities start bitching and whinging for a piece of that
And then if the white men have the gall to like a female or minority character the dykes hate it and have to make the character a white man hating miserable dyke
Here's the thing, James said flat out why he thought the new one looks like shit and said he would not review it or acknowledge it, and that we should vote with our wallet and stop funding these awful remakes. That's all he said. Then SJWs and Sup Forums went berserk about what a sexist manbaby he is and how he hates womyn.
I think there's a lot of truth to this
I mean, remember the pictures of the nughostbusters visited the hospital and that one guy made that copypasta that got posted to hell
the one about the sick dying 9 year old who wanted to see the original cast so badly even though the movies came out 30 years ago
That shit was purely anger based upon the fact that it was new and not the original and filled with women
I'm not saying the ghostbusters movie will be good, but I do think that there's a lot of unwarranted hate
You read capeshit, stop pretending like you were ever interested in good storytelling
OK Sup Forumsmblr. Naturally things can't be good and bad on their own merits and there's always a sexist and racist agenda behind it all.
only Sup Forums has this mindset that things made before the year 2007 are garbage and everything afterwards is fucking gold because it's progressive
>How are you coping with the death of storytelling?
Not that big a problem for me since I don't read capeshit
he wasn't even that autistic in the video. It was clear he made it to address his fans who were asking for his thoughts about the new Ghostbusters flick. He was pretty calm and collected. But hey, he's your typical white male nerd stereotype so let's attack his weak ass
But if you read that copypasta, and you weren't an idiot, you'd be able to see that the point of view from that 9 year old was completely unrealistic
What 9 year old is going to complain about the ghost busters not being the originals from the 80s?
Especially when jank ripoffs of childhood characters charge 10 dollars up and down times square just to take a picture
That was even before the trailers were out
We got what he was saying it's just you that didnt.
If I was a sick child and wanted to meet the ghostbusters, it would have to be the original cast, how the fuck would I know about this new movie if I was in and out of the hospital, let alone the fact that the movie isn't even out?
You all know this book was cancelled after 7 issues, yes?
I can see the point in both sides of the coin, really. I'm in the same boat: I rejected reboots a long time ago. When something says "reboot", I automatically assume it's a brand name cash-in with only a tenuous relation to the original product. I don't really care what they do, because I don't see it as part of the original product, and studio's have been doing it for ages. I mean, I can't really get pissed off at the RoboCop reboot when the fucker had his own saturday morning cartoon, now can I?
But at the same time just saying "it's shit" seems to be taboo, and is immediately represented as the opinion of a lonely, virgin (and WHITE MALE) nerd with nothing better to do in life. And I'm sorry, but it's people's goddamn right to moan and bitch about this shit for as much as they want. No-one got upset, for instance, about people pointing out that RoboCop's direct-to-video sequals were absolute shit that didn't mirror the original classic.
At the end of the day "it sucks" is a legitimate opinion about any piece of media. And if you can motivate it, it only becomes more legitimate. What people are doing is pre-empting the discussion and saying that people are basically not allowed to motivate why they think it sucks.
Sure, the people who claim it's ruining their childhood are idiots. But a reviewer saying he isn't going to review a movie that he knows he isn't going to enjoy is just doing his fucking job as he sees fit.
Sup Forums please leave
I say Sup Forums, but really I could say literally any board because it's obvious you don't post here often
Yes it's completely unheard of for anyone not in their 30's to know the Ghostbusters
Are you fucking retarded
>They literally can't just write or create their own movies or characters and are only happy when they take something away from white men
Because they're tired of hearing "Oh, you'll get your turn to make your own work eventually" like they have for decades.
And basing works off of established properties is literally the only way to get things made nowadays unless you're an established auteur. Original works will not get funded. And then the companies wont' make any original female works because they aren't "demographically broad" enough.
It's a self-perpetuating circle with no end, and since women and minorities have to play by an established set of "playing fair" rules or they get branded as enemies, it's the perfect setup for them to never actually get anything made. But at least they're playing by the rules that other people established for them, that makes it totally okay that they'll never get anything mainstream made.
hey fuck you kid, you had one wish and you blew it, you should have been specific you niglet.
the Sup Forumsmblr is strong here
I'd be more worried about this if the book hadn't been cancelled. It turns out that the books people actually want to read mostly still feature
1. storytelling, and
2. white men
The actually funny thing about Angela is that when it got cancelled, SJWs blamed men for not supporting it.
Becaues not only do they feel entitled to hate men, they feel entitled to have men support their hatred, by buying the comics they put it in.
>sick dying 9 year old who wanted to see the original cast so badly even though the movies came out 30 years ago
You do realize parents show Ghostbusters to their kids all the time, right?
It's, like, an American classic. It's probably passed on to younger generations almost as consistently as shit like Star Wars and Lion King. It reruns on cable a lot too.
How would a 9 year old even know about the ghost busters, is the real question
Have you interacted with children? Like ever?
They cannot even figure out how vhs tapes work
They barely recognize characters from the 90s, let alone the 80s
The ghostbusters visited that hospital as a promotional stunt
Nobody asked them to be there, it was just on good will and good marketing
So you're telling me kids today don't know anything from the original Star Wars because they were made decades ago?
>>That the bad guy's actions and words would clearly explain that he is a bad guy and thus you should condemn them is no longer an appropriate option.
Wait, so you think that's not being lazy? You need the bad guy to walk around in all black covered in skulls and a hate that says BAD GUY?
Jokes don't make the writing bad, it's the placement and context that matter
>good marketing
>good
I think you're missing the point.
It might not have been put very eloquently, to say the least, but that hospital visit was a hugely dishonest PR move, and it's kind of disgusting.
The crux is that the movie isn't even out yet. No-one has seen it, and no-one has any real bond with the characters. So to go the children's hospital in costume isn't an act of charity. It's a PR stunt. And PR stunts posing as charity are fucking horrible.
If they'd done it after the movie was out, fine. Everyone understands that, just the same as no-one is laying into that millionaire who dresses up as Batman and visits sick kids. But to pretend that they went there for any other reason than to shill their shitty movie is just a lie.
>Because they're tired of hearing "Oh, you'll get your turn to make your own work eventually" like they have for decades.
Nobody has ever told anyone there were turns.
If you want to make something, you make it. Right now, in the present. That's never not been how it works.
I don't know who told you there were turns or why you believed them. Steven Spielberg didn't sit in a studio lobby for 20 years with a pile of finished scripts waiting for his meeting, man. The very concept doesn't even make sense.
>You do realize parents show Ghostbusters to their kids all the time, right?
No they don't, they really don't
Most parents understand that they cannot force their kids to like all the same things that they did when they were younger
>"Oh, you'll get your own turn eventually"
Who the fuck says this? Are you telling me all these movies with female leads have never existed and only ape up already eatablish franchises?
Not that user, but when I was 9, I was addicted to Nick at Nite, and marathon-ed Taxi and I Love Lucy a lot. There are kids that, their favorite books are by CS Lewis or J. R. R. Tolkien.
So, it's not TOO unbelievable that there could, conceivably, be nine year olds now that like a movie from the 80s.
And even if there weren't, you care way too much about a shitty little copypasta.
>They cannot even figure out how vhs tapes work
Good thing Ghostbusters is on DVD and Blu-Ray
>vhs tapes
Dude, Ghostbusters gets a new re-release like every 5 years.
>they can't figure out how tapes work
>you can't see ghostbusters on dvd or blu-ray or stream it
>you can't have a parent or sibling put it on for you
>no, you sit there and die
Delete your account
it got you to start talking about the movie
all press is good press
seeyeah but you're a huge nerd and there are really no channels that do that
I mean, boomerang isn't even a thing anymore
That wasn't the point
The point is you can't expect kids to understand past technology in the same way you can't expect kids to be introduced to past movies and media
Kill yourself OP
Read good comics, ignore the bad, don't bitch like a 10 year old
>The ghostbusters visited that hospital as a promotional stunt
That's the fucking point, you idiot. It's not charity when you're doing it for your own benefit. It's just a bunch of people in costume showing up at a hospital, which puts them on the same level as those fursuiters who pull that shit. Except those fursuiters aren't trying to plug their movie, and actually look like shit the kids might give a damn about.
As for the rest, have you heard about these little things called "TV" and "parents"? I don't know about you, but I grew up on media that was decades older than I was.
Is this the part where you tell me that women have the exact same opportunities as men and every story about them being given less funding or denied jobs was part of laziness?
Hell, look at the scene now. Any guy who makes a mildly successful indie movie gets Superhero Project #476 thrown at them, women get nothing unless it's a "women character" and then they shit on because it's discrimination against men who want that project.
>Steven Spielberg
The studio system was entirely different back then.