Why does Sup Forums seem to dislike Marvel so much?

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Because Sana Amarat turned it into a sjw propaganda company that hires literal amateur bloggers instead of people who know how to actually make comics.

Because Marvel rely on nothing but cheap tricks and stupid gimmicks to sell comics.

Telling quality stories is at the bottom of their to-do list. There's so much emphasis on marketing, branding, diversity, movie synergy, etc. that it's a small miracle that anything of value ever gets published by them.

>Because casuals love it
>Because they pander to SJWs
>Because people talk about it more

Take your pick, really.

It doesn't pander to me.
And post picture from [current year].

They are the most successful.

>Sana Amarat

Sana Amanat is what I meant obviously.

Chads and women started liking comic movies, and Marvel makes the only good ones.

Because it used to be a great shared universe of continuity but since NOW! it's just 12 of issues of "who cares?" and start again more much the same.

And there's 3 kids in The Avengers. Kids are shit.

Because Marvel is shit but they used to not be. So either you feel the sting of "not muh marvel" or you see a popular comic company that churns out shit.

The movies are good though.

Because Marvel doesn't pander to the incredibly small and continually diminishing Sup Forums demographic anymore

Sup Forums hates Harley Quinn and that's literally the only thing keeping DC's numbers up, sooner or later DC is going to drop Sup Forums too

I actually do think it's a mix of Sup Forums intolerance and some stories not being simple enough for everyone to follow.
I'm not trying to troll, it's just that the complaints are always along the same basic themes: they don't like the type of person the story's about, or they don't understand the motivations that are being described to them in the story.
And there's a certain level of immaturity involved when someone's trying to get other people to hate what they hate and stop liking things that don't meet with their approval.

I dislike Marvel for two reasons and I'm a Marvelfag

1. The comics have gone to complete shit
2. Casuals and shills have ruined the movies for me to the point that even if I enjoy some, I can never support them

The comics are a joke right now. They are a disorganized clumsy mess and are leading the decline of the mainstream comic book medium. They may be the top sellers but this doesn't mean shit anymore when they can't even sell a fuckload of books anymore

And that means comics about tampoms are good because...?

event, event, relaunch, event, event, relaunch...

And their editors constantly fuck up and can't keep basic consistency between books (well, now it's better than it was doing NOW, but still).

More like Sana Isarat, amirite?
I think she's one of the better editors working there now also she is a qt.

She looks like kamala wtf

Their quality has gone to shit.

They're pushing comics to become $5, fuck them I don't have wanna spend that much cash for a harmless hobby.

considering she's G.Willow Wilson and Her's Self Insert yes that is correct.

Because it's exploitative shit that confuses message for story.

>celestials
>no mutants

Endless cycle of relaunches, events and every new 1 being $5

I love the Marvel universe but I won't support this shit.

Why should I like current Marvel?

Sup Forums doesn't - Sup Forums isn't one mind.
Some dislike, some like - a vast majority of people don't give a toss.
See? Perspective.

I think one of the biggest problems with Marvel right now is that storytelling seems secondary now. It doesn't feel like things progress forward anymore, and is more like "Tee hee, look at the character you like do silly things" It's like people can't handle bad things happening to their favorite characters anymore and have outright bad reactions if they do. Some people online hate Tony Stark for yelling at America Chavez in Civil War II.

Most of the writing is shit. 95% of the stuff Marvel puts out is mediocre with the occasional good book like Ellis Moon Knight or Tom King Vision.

I've only just started getting into comics, basically only DC. When did Marvel become shit? I'd like to start with better stuff before I see this apparent train wreck.

Heroic Age, AvX, Civil War. Some of those three events ruined everything.

Marvel as a company has been trash since Kirby left.

Obviously they have allowed tons of great artists and writers to get their start and published many very good comics, but the company itself has been responsible for nearly every cancerous thing to happen to the comic industry. They are the biggest sellouts since Metallica.

I genuinely feel bad for the good people who work for them, though they're probably making quite a bit of money. I have a huge amount of love for their characters and universe, but I haven't been able to read more than one or two of their books at a time in 20 years.

Secret Wars I, Avengers Disassembled, and Civil War are the three points that Marvel contributed to not only the shitification of themselves, but of the entire comic industry.

I've been hyperbolic, but in all seriousness, Secret Wars started the focus on BIG IMPORDENT events, Disassembled started the trend of death porn and doing things solely to rile up fans, and Civil War was the ultimate culmination of those two things.

For the same reason Sup Forums hates anime

It's really simple. DC panders to a certain demographic of "outcasts", like edgy teenagers, beta male virgins who are angry at everyone etc.

Internet forums and imageboards attract this kind of people, and the more of them gather in one place, the more circlejerking occurs, which leads to a cult like phenomenon.

Marvel has corrupt business tactics, cheap tricks, constantly tries to manipulate the market to get extra sales, and legit have come out and said they purposefully try and make their customers angry to produce more controversy. It also doesn't help that some people are so blind to this.

>Panders.

>It's not just that shitty people work at Marvel and Marvel is a shitty company in general.

Stay mad drone.

Because Sup Forums is full of Sup Forums crossboarders. They came here after Avengers and MoS released. Most of the DCfags here don't even read comics. That's why number of Marvel storytimes are always more than DC storytimes. I'm not saying Marvel is good by any means but it certainly was better than DC before ANAD though.

t. Imagefag

Now take out all of Marvel's number ones from that list and see how the numbers change.

This is why Sup Forums hates anything.

If DC was #1 (lol) they would hate DC.

Most of the comics I read are Marvel and about 60% of my ongoing are Marvel, but almost every issue of every comic published now is too progressive. The plot is always about a minority overcoming unrealistic prejudice and their not so subtle hints at how conservatives are evil is far too prominent. I understand that the majority of Marvel fans are most likely liberal but maybe it would be better if they didn't feel the need to force their political opinions down the throats of their fans.

Also Avengers disassembled. That started the Scarlet Witch fuckery and Bendis' reign of terror.

This. This is why I hate Marvel currently. Because they hate that the X-Men belong to Fox and are successful there, so they're taking out on the comics by marginalizing and slowly wearing the X-Men down. Cutting them out of marketing is bad enough, but if Death of X and End of X play out how I think they will, then Marvel is finally going to either kill them, or cut them off completely and segregate (HA) them into their own universe.

Its a fucking disgrace and I won't have it.

without going into specifics? story quality has gone to hell.

They need another Shooter to beat some sense into them.

Oh I almost forgot, trying really hard to replace them with the Inhumans as the great allegory for opressed minorities, and then throwing a hissy fit when it doesn't work, which leads to them stripping certain characters of their very backstory (I'm looking at you here Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch) purely to spite FOX.

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What I think is even funnier is how Marvel treats the Mutants the same way we saw them treated by fictional hate groups back when the X-Men were popular.

>stripping certain characters of their very backstory (I'm looking at you here Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch)
to be fair their backstory was flip-flopped numerous times during the years. The fat that they were the mutant children of magneto was a retcon at that time. Their original backstory was that their powers came from the Evolutionary experimentation while they were on Wundagore, and the most recent change in plot simply reinstated that part as the real one.

A good 90% of these characters are not now nor have they ever been relevant.

Fucking White Tiger? A-Bomb? Hell, Absorbing Man was one of the main bad guys in Fear Itself and he still wasn't relevant!

Because Marvel dislikes us. It's only fair.

Nothing from Marvel is even remotely deep or interesting.

Then take all the Batman from that list and see how the numbers change.

This is one of the most hilariously meta things that's come out of modern X-Men. Now they're hated and feared by the very company that created them.

Don't know why you are in a cartoon and comic board if you want something deep and interesting.

Oh ok, well I wasn't aware of that. But still, the change is undeniably political in nature, because Marvel didn't want Fox to get more publicity for its X-Men license by associating two characters who appeared in Avengers with mutants.

complete bullshit. I fucking hate you

>implying cartoons and comics can't be deep
fuck off normie

he is a liar, don't trust him