Basic income is better than minimum wage

$15 an hour Basic income for everyone!

It's the right thing to do.

I don't think it is.

>communism

get the fuck out

Minimum wage destroys jobs. Basic income creates jobs.

>self improve
>meet people
>helo community

implying that manchildren wouldnt use their communism buxx to play vidya all day long. Absolutely degenerate.

If no one thinks about working for money then the government has no money for basic income anymore. Unless you want to add a 3rd hear that has just bubbles titled "money to live" and "money to live for that other faggot"

>socialists are this fucking stupid

I know I would

Niggers have basic income, we call it welfare. I can tell you they don't use their free time to work to better themselves.

>Basic income for everyone
Fuck off im worth more than 15 dollars/hr you SJW piece of shit.

There is no proof that ubi would create jobs initially, however it would most likely increase productivity.

Minimum wage is such a bad idea, whenever a market is messed with by outside forces the market suffers.

The only way it will create jobs is when low earners leave their jobs because they don't have to work anymore.

If you're a woman, then I get it. You're wrong, but I get why you hold your views.

If you are a "man," then you're disgusting and you should be beaten and forced into some kind of rehabilitative, de-faggifying, de-feminizing concentration camp.

Then you have one less competitor for your job, and therefor you make even more + now you get basic income too instead of just the niggers getting it.

There is no downside to basic income.

YEEES WHY HAS NO ONE FIGURED IT OUT BEFORE GIVE EVERYONE MONEY SO EVERYONE IS RICH YEEE BOI

So you would rather only giving basic income(welfare) to the niggers and rapefugees instead?

The downside is the workers and entrepreneurs are paying for people to do nothing.

>false dichotomy
I'd rather abolish welfare altoghether

>basic income
>rate per hour

I think one of us is confusing basic income with minimum wage.

Oh Hanz will give them a basic income.

A good healthy hourly wage of Zyklon B.

Nah, the money can be printed out of thin air for nothing. They already print trillions a year, basic income is a drop in the bucket.

I would agree with basic income but only for the bare survival minimum.

>2400 cal per day of food
>internet
>electricity
>running water

everything else you need to work for

**also you'd have to get castrated (which is reversable by $4000 procedure)

I used to deliver newspapers to gas stations, and when I made deliveries on welfare check day I always had to start early because I knew there would be long lines of niggers buying lottery tickets with their welfare money.

>meet people
no
>enjoyment this small
no

also you should include "independence"

either way, imo this is not just a communist ideal, but a capitalistic one as well
>maximum pay for minimum work
the only way it can be done is by killing a lot of niggers, investing heavily in automatized factories, and creating a culture of scientists / engineers / doctors. (so you'd prob need totalitarianism to keep the media and other degenerate normies in check)

Just terminate basic income when they have kids. That's how the Chinese does it (extra tax, less benefit for breaking the policy)

Where does the money for basic income come from? Where is it most likely going?

Is this sustainable?

Retard. Every Time the minimum wage is raised all prices go up the exact same percentage. However, middle class wages do not move so in conclusion, raising the minimum wage only destroys the middle class making Hillary's goal of impoverishment of the nations people even closer.

>also you should include "independence"
Uhmm, no. You become completely dependant on the government if your only source of income is universal basic income.

>most people care about self improvement
>most people care about helping society

15 dollars an hour just means people will try to work as little as they can in exchange for more selfish enjoyment.

If we didn't have minimum wage wouldn't people just unionize to ensure something similar?

or lower the additional gain per aditional member member
1 > 100%
2 > 190%
3 > 280%

but then again, this would encourage negroes and white trash to kill their children

A Universal Basic Income (UBI) can have some very negative effects on the economy...

>inflation increases, as businesses want this extra surge of money which has entered the economy
>rents increase, prices increase, etc
>wages dont change
>wage gap decreases, everyone on the upper end effectively becomes less wealthy
>poor effectively become less wealthy; further dependant on the govt
>govt gets more powerful
>eventually people ask for a higher UBI
>govt obliges
>this goes on until the democracy/republic collapses into a tyrannical dictatorship-type state

But oh yeah this cant possibly go wrong :^)

>only for the bare survival minimum

Why do you think people are owed the requirements of survival?

And then you get to subsidize the existence of millions of NEETs by cutting your paycheck in half and giving it directly to them.

It doesn't "create" jobs. It let's you do the full workload of already existing jobs and forces you to share the profit with parasites who do nothing.

Since when did happiness become selfish?

yes
if you work

That's why the rich busts up the unions.

Everyone should be entitled to a minimum to survive nowadays - That's called welfare. Basic income is taking welfare up a notch.

The problem is, many more people will quit their jobs than is predicted. Then who will earn the taxes necessary for basic income? If you're skinny and healthy, you could live a good life off basic income. This breaks capitalism (in a bad way).

Basic Needs should be covered.
For Luxury, get a job.

No it doesn't. The same problems with minimum wages apply to basic income. Why the fuck would I pay you as much if my money is already being taken away for your NEETbux?

well, not yet obviousl, but in foreseeable future. I highly doubt there will be enough jobs for 7-9 billion people on earth with technological advances

>but then again, this would encourage negroes and white trash to kill their children
I don't see the problem here?

Since acording to socialist the wealth is a finite resource, they should all kill themselves, so there will be more to redistribute.

Get to it fellas, working class depends on heroes like you.

because Humanism

you should read a book too, not just Sup Forums

Everyone should fend for themselves. Basic needs should be provided by yourself, not your community or government.

Who decides the bare survival minimum?

You included internet which is completely unnecessary to survive. What if suddenly people decide that a car is a necessity for bare survival? Or an apartment for everyone?

>people are upset with welfare because stolen money is going to niggers instead of them
>not because it's stolen money

No, the funding for basic income is printed out of thin air. You are literally getting extra money as they spend it however they see fit.

Why is electricity or internet survival minimum? You sound like fucking millenial.

Extra money means inflation, Inflation effectively weakens your currency and makes everything more expensive. Its literally counterproductive.

>**also you'd have to get castrated (which is reversable by $4000 procedure)

Which violates your human right to bodily integrity.

>less need for other government services once people can pay their own way
>implying inflation would increase when wages go down

>why don't we just print more money?
You're either 5 years old or mentally retarded.

We fund basic income by printing money out of thin air. We already does that except they are given to the rich for free.

Instead, we give it to everyone, it's a drop in the bucket compared to the trillions they are printing every year.

Yeah but OP, I don't care about self-improvement, meeting people, enjoyment, or helping community

>LMAO WE CAN JUST PRINT VALUE OUT OF THIN AIR
Holy fuck I hate people who don't understand economics

>bare survival minimum
>>internet
>>electricity

Fuck off.

>You included internet which is completely unnecessary to survive.
it is necessary for access to information. I would also hand out VR technology for people who want to engage in virtual realities rather than the real one.

it is not that expensive and it will be even less expensive in future

Yes, but that would be the market working. What the union wants for a wage and what the company will pay for a wage are between the two without government interference. The market will find a wage that both agree upon.

You still would need some Anti monopoly / trust laws to prevent there being only one employer or one union of workers.

>because Humanism
Not an argument.

No it does not. We've been printing money out of thin air forever now and where's the inflation?

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well, we can change what is considered human rights, cant we?

we invented """human rights""" in firist place. it is not like a physical law

you need internet access in the UK or your welfare application will waste loads of time that could be spent honing your skills in areas you enjoy and are good at.
without a welfare distribution service as huge as the Department of Work and Pensions, you save well enough money to pay for the excess on UBI that cancelling other govt services doesn't pay for because you stop wasting loads of people's time and resources prying and being pried upon

t. shitskin sand nigger

>Basic needs should be provided by yourself

But it isn't. Basic needs are provided by the company that gives you a job. You can't rely on that.

The days where people had a plot of land they could work are long gone. Take away welfare and you only increase crime. People rather kill someone else than die of starvation, it's animal instinct.

It causes even more inflation which serves as a double tax to the people actually working. You cannot create value out of nothing. If everyone has a million dollars the cost of food will not stay the same you retard.

>Basic Needs should be covered.
>For Luxury, get a job.

This desu, all those employment companies the government gives money to are completely pointless. Thousands of dollars per person per job landed (regardless of how long that job lasts). You might as well give people a small basic income which will end up cheaper than paying out those enormous sums of money to people whose only job is to make busy work for themselves.

Thank you for being one of the few people who didn't fall for OP's bait.

basic income != minimum wage

Human right is to exist, speak freely, overthrow your tyrannical govt, and own/bear weapony

Everything else is self provided.

Inflation can increase if wages drop, actually. Govt spending is a factor.

>Instead, we give it to everyone, it's a drop in the bucket compared to the trillions they are printing every year.
Lets say we give everyone in America $500 bucks a month

The population in america is about 330 million

500 x 330,000,000 = 165,000,000,000 (165 trillion)

A drop in the bucket right? We are 19 trillion debt atm.

I agree with this
people should play
and then they should play so well that it's worth something to someone to have them play for them

As an engineer i support $15 minimum wage because i want to replace you all with robots motherfuckers

>subsidies without price ceilings are bad
No shit. Look up Medicate Part D.

>it's a drop in the bucket compared to the trillions they are printing every year.
You'd need 10,5 trillion $ a year to provide an equivalent of a $15 an hour minimum wage (8 hour a day working day, weekends off) for everyone in the USA

It's a perfect argument, you're just too stupid to extrapolate.

Don't watch so much Stefan Molyneux you brainlet.

>cant rely on businesses
>lets rely on government instead
>meanwhile the government funds kicking people out of houses for refugees in germany
>in america the government cant even upkeep its own roads and infrastructure properly

If they cant upkeep our infrastructure, how can we trust them with our fucking lives?

They use all their free time in America to keep the welfare. In other countries where people on welfare are bored they get a job.

>do what you enjoy
>still have enough to survive
>get good enough at it that you're able to sell your services
>maybe you can even do several things
>unconventional labour contracts everywhere
>actual entrepreneurship
win-win-win-win-win

Here is what basic income would be in reality.

You say that but in the past things didn't always turn out so well, though companies were much stronger back then and didn't have to worry about the internet and social media. Still, I think companies are just as capable of strong-arming their workers and the industry as before, maybe even more so.

The thing is no one works if their basic needs are covered. The negative income tax was tested and caused people to leave their jobs, and the NIT is much more mild than basic income. How the fuck are you even going to pay for everyone's "free" shit? So everyone is entitled to a free house, clothes, food? So your plan is to focus tons of production into giving people "free" shit at the same time lowering the production and wealth of said society?

>take away everybody's struggle to survive
>watch them scramble to combat the boredom
>accidental cultural renaissance

>im right because my ideology says so!
that's now how arguments work you moron

internet is completely necessary if you want them to get a job. Your bad political reasoning is why poland is a poor violent shithole that nobody wants to move to even if they can.

>This is what commies belive

Someone should beat you to death with an economics book.

What's another $9,360,000,000,000 ($9 trillion) on top of that?

Speak for yourself! I will start a business!

>implying after basic income isnt muh retirement
>muh 401k
>muh stocks
>muh rat race

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I get to see the quarterly reports of (a single store of) a certain fast food chain I currently work in because management leaves the office open and leaves all that stuff out for everyone with curiosity to look at.

A $15 minimum wage would completely wipe out all profits. Labor cost would be above 50%.
This particular store, at the time of that report (mid quarter during slow season) grossed ~150k, labor was ~40k, and after all expenses without calculating property/income tax had a net of 35k.
An almost doubled minimum wage would eat the entirety of the profit and cause this store to be a loss.

>Basic income does X because I say so
Corporations, businesses and the rich already pay something like 70-80% of all federal/local taxes. >50% of people suck on that tax teat for food and school and other expenses, not to mention how it funds roads and public works and the like. This meme of "le evil moneybags man" needs to stop, more accurately it needs to stop being a blanket statement put upon anyone with that kind of earning. The finances literally do not exist to support something like this.

The real evil is the bankers and ultra-rich, the people who abuse the system when they don't even need it and toss their money around to implant oppositionist ideas into gullible idiots like you OP.

The reasons to work before basic income are a hell of a lot more convincing desu

The mistake here is assuming 'money to live' is necessarily replaced by anything.
Often it's not. More often it remains while the person lives more expensively(eg. Now I can have the Galaxy s7 edge instead of the s4 mini)

Fuck off I just found a decent job paying 16 an hour I don't want to be making just over minimum wage again.

Poland is one of the most safe countries in Europe dumbass.

>apartment for everyone
>shelter isn't a basic human survival need

>It's the right thing to do.

Irrelevant. It's the correct thing to do for the economy

Exactly, it's nothing. We'll just print money and pay it all off. China BTFO.

OP, why did you post an image supporting ubi, but your text supports raising the minimum wage. Are you retarded

>poland is a poor violent shithole
Norway homicide rate - 0,6
Poland homicide rate - 0,7

How is life in your violent shithole?

You are confusing minimum wage with basic income. Minium wage comes out of businesses. While basic income comes out of the money printers.

>Fuck you, got mine

$15 an hour Basic income. Can you not read?