Does anyone else not particularly like Trump but is going to vote for him anyways because they want to see some actual...

Does anyone else not particularly like Trump but is going to vote for him anyways because they want to see some actual fucking change for once? I'm liberal on many issues, but I'm fucking sick of the Never-changing establishment, just a new face each time, no actual fucking change. It's time to Trump things up, my friends, just to scare the shit out of the old generation of politicians who think they're safe and cozy just because they're big names.

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>leaving the 2nd Amendment alone
>no more illegals
>no more muslims
Trump is alright.

He's the only candidate with the capacity for reform. That's why most of us want to vote for him.

Anything else is just a bonus. Particularly the memes.

I wish I could, but Trump has proven himself to be too much of a dumbass in projecting US interests internationally.

He cozies up to Putin, denigrates NATO, insults Islamic countries that we need to partner with to defeat ISIS -- plus he doesn't even know common current-events like the Russian takeover of Crimea from Ukraine. It's all just too risky for me to support someone that stupid and/or unwilling to learn.

When I start hearing NatSec professionals speak out about his dangerous ideas and his dangerous ignorance, I have to start taking that shit seriously.

I would love a chance to vote for someone who will completely blow up the American political system. But the first priority needs to be someone who can competently protect USA interests overseas.

Trump is the biggest chance to avoid war. That alone should make him #1 candidate for every american.

are americans so cucked that israelis can even vote in their elections now?

>Hillary takes money from those that work with ISIS
Yeah but Trump is the one we need to worry about

The same national security officials who have been selling weapons to terrorists rrr I mean moderate rebels. FFS Russia just said they destroyed a stockpile of USA munitions that the terrorists had. Trump will be best for national affairs out of anyone. Hillary will do whatever anyone pays her to do.

I felt that way at first. But once I started supporting him 'for my own reasons', I slowly came around to liking him.

His personality is strange. His delivery is blunt and obnoxious. He's assertive, and vague, and almost cartoonish. And I fucking love it.

You are not understanding the situation, Crimea is Russian, Ukraine is Ukrainian.

If Russia wanted to invade and annex the enterity of Ukraine they would have done so within 2 months of serious invasion.

Hybrid warfare is simply meant to destabilize an enemy at their borders, and the Ukrainian goverment is, unfortunately, and to the lament of many in the West, just as inept, corrupt and hands down ruthless parasites as the previous goverment. They simply exchanged one oligark for the other.

Are you not disgusted by Hillary and her surrogates? I'm a lib, just like you, and they went overboard this time. The media is unbearable, social media is toxic, supporters are brain dead. I was never a bernbros or whatever you call them. I was on the sidelines with my personal views and opinions. But man, I'm thinking about going off grid for a couple of months.

I just needed to let that out.

Sure, I want Trump to win so we don't see any actual change even with supreme court picks. After his one term failed presidency maybe people will see you can't run a country like a business and that someone without a paragraph of knowledge about the Constitution isn't qualified.

I'm holding my nose and voting for Trump simply because he is the best chance for nomination of real judges. The American judiciary is being populated by Democrat party robots.

Civil rights for sexual preferences, civil rights for mental disorders, Universities that attempt trials for criminal accusations, ... pathetic.

So you're a fucking child who wants a different spinning mobile for his crib? If you vote for a wild card like trump your reasoning should be a little more compelling than IM BORED.

Absolutely. End of story. This is the one I fling at all the idiot leftist do-gooders in my acquaintance. They can't handle it. Hillary is simply a warmonger.

You don't think trump would recklessly overreact to a show of force by another nation? Come on , the dudes got the temperment and patience of a cornered pitbull

Yeah, OP I think Trump is kind of a dumbass.
But his views on trade are enough to get my support. NAFTA was the worse thing to happen to this country, and TPP is goingcto be even worse.
And not for nothing people put Reagan on a pedestal and he certainly wasn't the sharpest knife in the draw. Good speaker but no genius.

punished melania

Unseat the establishment and uproot the whole bed of corruption

thanks for correcting the record

>You are not understanding the situation, Crimea is Russian, Ukraine is Ukrainian.
>If Russia wanted to invade and annex the enterity of Ukraine they would have done so within 2 months of serious invasion.
Hundred ruble have deposit in your account. Nazdarovya, tovarish.

>this is Sup Forums's hero

The only actual gripe I have with Trump is that he made fun of a retarded journalist for being retarded

it makes it hard to pull for someone like that when half of your friends are on the autism spectrum

t.actuallyautistic

>universities that attempt trials for criminal accusations
W-what?

Trump is more liberal than Hillary.
Saying "haha I love gays and minorities" while doing fuck all for either group isn't actually supporting said groups.

I used to be pretty communist at one time.
I now reject the cultural aspect but i still have some socialist sympathies.
Trump is objecively the best candidate for the proletariat

I'm seeing similarly worded posts In every trump thread. Hillary shills are trying really hard to sweep the fact that she's funding Isis under the rug

wht's not to like? loxfag

he's fucking awesome!

>insults Islamic countries
HAHAHAHAHHAHA

oh god, please be serious

nah, the loxists just pick the candidates with the trilions they steal every year, the americunts stil get to vote, sort of

dear god thats not how our government works you fuckign retard.

THe only way the prez can do REAL change is if he can work across the aisle and get congress to work together.

that is literally the only way you can get real change.

WIth the current politcal climate obama initiated semi change with only once side of the aisle backing him.

Trump will have NO ONE. Everyone in congress is an establishment politician.

He is going to have zero fuckign friends and almost no way to work across the aisle.

All he is going to be able to do is run his mouth off and complain.

If he steps too far out of line he will get impeached immediately.

And would you look at that his VP is an establishment republican

The president by himself is a figurehead.

aww, don't be upset

it's not you're fault that everyone really really hates killary klinton, the butcher of benghazi

>You don't think trump would recklessly overreact to a show of force by another nation?
as opposed to the obysmal fruit faggot who takes everything and asks for more?

>Yeah, OP I think Trump is kind of a dumbass.
a really REALLY successful rich and smart dumbass?

When literally all the powers that be in the world are terrified of him, thats who I want.

develop thicker skin you fucking autist

>The only actual gripe I have with Trump is that he made fun of a retarded journalist for being retarded
oh you poor poor snowflake

have you considered how insulting it is to demand everyone be treated the same, then complain that only you, and your group, can never be ridiculed, even whilst you are calling someone a liar? whilst YOUR OWN fucking article confirms that he isn't, and YOU ARE?

>dangerous ideas and his dangerous ignorance,
Hello CTR, see you're going with Dongerous Danald :-DDDD :-D

hope they find a cure for the rest of your retardation bro

>THe only way the prez can do REAL change is if he can work across the aisle and get congress to work together.
not if you have a majority in both houses

you only need the dumbocraps if tyou can't get a majority to pass a bill

dumbo

Lifelong Democrat voter here (voted for HW Bush though). I've supported Trump since the early days, when he first came out strong in polls, simply to watch the Republican Party burn.

Seeing a field of candidates even more shit-tastic and out of touch with the working man than the 2012 race, I felt he could really do it (won several bets on the results too).

I feel that if Trump won't destroy their party, he'll change it irrevocably, possibly even split it along ideology. I'm just fucking tired of the party of Corporate Entitlement pillow-talking Joe Six-Pack into voting for the guys closing his plant.

don't worry, he didn't. That was a propaganda story created by the left.

I feel like show Stannis when he burns his daughter, except his daughter is my ever fleeing integrity.

>trumpwhoishandsomebutedgy
>scarytrump
>wedareyoutovotefordonald

holy shit, these people can't relly be so out of touch and retarded, can they? they've won elections before, no way can they be this incompetant

can they?

You still don't get real change, as has been shown. They start wheedling about needing a Super Majority, or even a Super-Duper Majority or "we just can't get the whole team behind this legislation".

It's a hedge against doing anything that would piss off their sponsors.

I dont think you get what its like being in these classes man.
they dont treat us like regular people. If you try to say regular people are better you get fucking shunned.

the average autist is leftist by necessity

If you actually thing Clinton is a better choice than trump I question your cognitive faculties.

dislike trump all you want but he is vastly better than Hillary

For a normal president dbl majority would be pretty sweet but still not god mode

For trump it is useless because he will not have republicans support. Majority is useless to him.

Trump is going to be a veto monster with a big loud mouth and that is all.

Here. Trump is okay but I fucking hate the Clintons

Porn is bad for your brain friendo

If you aren't careful, you can be over-stimulated

No. I'd sooner rub finely ground broken glass into my eyes than vote for a faggot who has been pampered like a little bitch since he crawled out of his mommy's vagina.

>He cozies up to Putin
You mean ending the proxy wars that destabilized nations and institutions in three continents?

> denigrates NATO
You mean the organization which holds the dual purpose of practicing Cold War encirclement doctrine against Russia and its allies and pumping member nations funding into the pockets of weapons and equipment contractors, while many member nations don't pay their fair share?

>insults Islamic countries that we need to partner with to defeat ISIS
Let me get this straight-
Pakistan, Qatar, and KSA are complicit in funding and supporting radical Islamists and have human rights violations of their own, but we need to kiss their ass..

but Russia, which has been fighting the Sunni bloc and lukewarm about the Shia bloc, cannot be partnered with?

I'd rather drop the Sunnis, partner with Russia, and pressure both the Shia Bloc and Sunni Bloc

>plus he doesn't even know common current-events like the Russian takeover of Crimea from Ukraine. I
You mean how after a loss of faith in the government the US helped install with a coup the Crimean people through referendum would have rather been under Russia's wing?
You mean how half of Ukraine considers themselves ethnic Russians and the West used Ukraine as a bulwark against the USSR?

trump doesn't have any sponsors, except you, the american people

also, trump has no compunction to play fair and polite. I fully expect lists of faggot pols to be leaked or explicitly released as unamerican activities, or words to that effect

you forget that almost all the conservatives are really cuckservatives, they don't stand up for what's right, for their people, or against the donors

>the average autist is leftist by necessity
pretty sure most of the autism dignoses, even most of the mental illness ones are wrong, it's like any other industry, all they want is shekels

>he will not have republicans support. Majority is useless to him.
see above, he will rain fury on them, and they will die from it, then their ugly corpses will follow the will of the electorate

you mean killary klinton? the butcher of benghazi?

Reply to me ITT if her costume reminded you of the cyber corn woman.

Are you serious?
There is literally nothing to support the idea that Trump would be good in public office.

He has never held public office .

Just because he says he will be great and do great things doesnt mean its fuckign fact.

He has not voting record in congress to look at, no experience whatsoever concerning governmental functions.

You probably think becoming a billionaire means he can run a country, it doesnt.
Especially when you were gifted a million dollars to start and ALL THE CONNECTIONS/ADVISEMENT AND CLOUT OF YOUR BILLIONAIRE DADDY to create your fortune.

Hilary is a retard with computers fine, but she an experienced and effective politician that has a career of friends connections and favors within the government.

Y-you do realize this is a satire of the Left by the Right, Nige?

How many beers did you have today?
Are things alright?

>the butcher of benghazi?

unless you're going to bitch about the dozen+ embassy attacks that happened under bush's watch, you can take your FOX/breitbart soundbites and shove them up your ass.

there are plenty of valid criticisms of shillary, benghazi isnt one of them.

cnn.com/2016/07/23/politics/benghazi-ambassador-mother-trump-complaint/

Did you take that picture, Rabbi?

>Trump
>surrounds himself with advisors
>pretends their ideas are his
>isolationist

>Shillary
>does whatever the fuck she wants
>imperialist
>gagging for a war

I'd vote trump as he actually seems the more reasonable of the two

>We dont know if Trump will be good

>we know for a fact Hillary will be terrible.

you are bad at decisions.

> faggot who has been pampered like a little bitch since he crawled out of his mommy's vagina.
He's not some Kennedy that went into law.

He started out as a building contractor and helped build much of Manhattan's West Side.

>Anyone other than Hillary more out of touch with the working class than Romney

As long as people are voting for Trump, it doesn't matter what the reason is.

Just don't vote for Hillary, she will ruin the United States.

>Hilary is a retard with computers fine
not a retard, a criminal, and she left 4 americans to die in benghazi

posting CNN

holy fuck, an actual shill

and you don't get to decide what I fucking bitch about

are you so retarded that you thought bush was running too?

thanks for corretingtherecord, and proving you are #MentallyHill

He will get impeached.
If he actually tries to "expose" a bunch of congress then favors will start to be called in left and right and congress will band together and impeach the idiot.

You dumbfucks think he will actually be an emperor, if he wins all of congress will be sitting there with a smile daring him to fuck up so they can get rid of him and have his establishment VP take over.


Again, he has no friends in congress, no favors to call in, no relationships, nothing.

He is a true outsider and his only purpose will be as a fuck you to the establishment as he Veto's his ass off.

Congress holds the real power

>unless you're going to bitch about the dozen+ embassy attacks that happened under bush's watch, you can take your FOX/breitbart soundbites and shove them up your ass.

We are. We were here bashing Clinton, Bush, Obama, and Clinton, putting a pox on all their houses.
>there are plenty of valid criticisms of shillary,
The dubious business practices, the warmongering, the administrative incompetence, the mockery of the democratic process?

> benghazi isnt one of them.
Benghazi is among them.

Each of the Obama/Clinton operations are nested in a serious of larger insidious operations.

The video tape lie for example- on 12 September Clinton confirmed with an Egyptian leader that it had no connection, and then on the 14th she stated it was the cause of violence.

That was a small part of the Benghazi cover-up- a seige that received no support in time when many units were available.

That was a part of the larger set of operations in Libya- what the hell was the US doing in Libya supporting and arming militia groups, some with terror cell ties, opposed to Qadaffi to destabilize one of the highest HDI nations in Africa?

That was part of the even larger set of NATO operations, and also brings up what its purposes and activities are, and if joint operations within NATO without official declarations of war by congress are constituonal.

That too is part of an even larger issue- the lack connection of people in supposedly democratic countries to the government actions, in turn part of a universal problem of complacency of citizens coupled with secrecy.

Not one Clinton supporter I met questioned any of this. The only one I know supporting Clinton with full knowledge of her foreign policy is a crazy POG who thinks her presidency will increase the chances of him serving in combat.

Serious question: has Donald Trump outlined any of his proposed economic it immigration policies? I mean, in detail, not just in tweet or meme form.

I'm also not pleased with the recent nudes of his wife. At least Bill and Hillary had the sense to not pose nakedm they also did not lie about having a bachelor degree they never earned

>implying trump is not part of the establishment
>check flag
i knew it was you people spreading these memes

and what will the charge be? oh prescient one

also, how is insulting your opponents going for you sport? does that change a lot of peoples minds, huh, champ?

Melania? More like MELONia! Am I right or what?

do we have a count of just how many corpses her decisions have created?

Based on her record we know she will be average if not decent. Her voting record shows decent knowledge. Also, her connections in congress will by itself make her better than trump in regards to the president trying to push an agenda.

Are you claiming she is a traitor and exposed us secrets on purpose? I hope not.. Her lack of knowledge made her criminally negligent fine, does that mean she doesnt have the best intentions concerning america? no it doesnt

>left 4 americans to die

There was conflicting intelligence, hard decisions have to be made and mistakes are inevitable.
IF you think americans havent been sacrificed or left to die before you are naive.

Again you seem to imply that she jsut laughed and said fuck those americans which is ridiculous.
Did she make a poor decision? possibly.
Did more than jsut her fuck up? definitely.

Did she make the decision based on protecting america/ foreign relations and other shit citizens will never know about? Most assuredly

>has Donald Trump outlined any of his proposed economic it immigration policies?
No. Not at all. And if he did, it would not be easily found, such as on his web site.

Conduct unbecoming of a president.

Again your knowledge of how our government works is lacking.

The charge of impeachment is literally whatever congress decides and agree's upon.

>Several commentators have suggested that Congress alone may decide for itself what constitutes a "high crime or misdemeanor", especially since Nixon v. United States stated that the Supreme Court did not have the authority to determine whether the Senate properly "tried" a defendant.[22] In 1970, then-House Minority Leader Gerald R. Ford defined the criterion as he saw it: "An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history."[23]

He's gonna be a retarded lion in a cage roaring every now and then, LUL

>average if not decent

hmmm
-Benghazi
-Arab spring
-Libya
-Syria
-getting a child rapist off
-demeaning her husbands rape victims
-being kicked off the Watergate case fore being unethical
-being a general liberal regardless
-being a pandering slime of a politician


and to top it all off everyone that works with her says she is flaming cunt.

Meanwhile everyone says Trump is a great guy.

SO Ill pick the guy that could be great over the woman that would be another terrible edition to our plutocratic oligarch.

you are me my friend.

I'm actually pretty liberal and somewhat libertaran. But I'm antiglobilism, antiSJW and pretty much hate niggers so BLM is out.

I WILL be voting for trump, even if I have to do it holding my nose

the guy who co wrote the art of the deal with trump went on record saying trump is a short sighted arrogant pretentious preening thin skinned asshole with a crazy small attention span.

He said he was terrified of a trump presidency.

Plenty of people say trump in his past has been a complete asshole.


Again you put on the tin foil hat with all this shit.

Listen, you don't know the truth of those situations, you know what the public is allowed to know.

The other side of those accusations paint a very different picture. Just because you dont believe them doesnt make your side true.

Hard to say- because Obama, Rice and company were also complicit, and because some of it was just stoking opposition movements already in play.

If the US us just responsible for 10% of the following
Libyan Civil War 2011 |9,400 killed
Liby Factional War 2014| 233 killed
Libyan Civil War 2014 |4,715 killed
Ukrainian Revolution 14 |106 killed
Syria Civil War Ongoi |282,283 killed

And these are all conservative estimates, and not including drone strikes, JSOC raids, Haiti, Somalia and other conflicts.

Then its responsible for 10% of 296,737 deaths, or 29,673 people.

porn is for degenerates and should be cracked down on.

INB4 Grammar Commies, on phone at work.

what do you make of the clinton cash documentary?

youtube.com/watch?v=7LYRUOd_QoM

killary was asked to strengthen security many times, she refused, would they have survived if she had beefed up security? then she lied about it being an act of islamic terrorism, and instead pretended it was because of a fucking video. meanwhile she told members of her family the truth, and we have the evidence

I don't like his style, but i don't like Americas style.

If only you could ascertain my emotions on this issue....oh wait. Your not a retard your just a robot there's a difference.

same
I have never forgotten about cyber corn woman.

you don't think that it would start a civil war, maybe even a coup if congress incorrectly impeached him?

conduct unbecoming? you mean calling out shithead politicians who refuse to implement teh will of the electorate? top kek, didn't obama sign into law something about "states of emergency"? which effectively suspends givernment for the duration?

how many people do you think wil give a shit if trump just has all the politicians whop broke their oath to defend the constitution hanged?

oh wow, OMG AN AUTHOR!!?

jesus, this changes EVERYTHING!!

Honestly with the alternative being Hillary Clinton, I'd chose almost anyone else. Also, who knows maybe Trump will actually surprise everyone and do well.

That said, I'm not in a swing state so I'll just vote third party in protest again.

*smiles massively while oozing gray play-doh from the pus-filled cavern of my anus*

You've certainly wiggled my jigglies.

>Trump is an incompetent asshole

Many have said similar things about Hillary though. Maybe this election year is going to have to be about specific issues because they candidates are such shitty human beings.

Again, you have to decide what you are accusing her of here.

Do you think she is a traitor? That she intentionally had americans killed and tried to cover it up?

Or was it an error in judgment? a mistake? faulty intelligence? Incompetence from more than just her culminating in a very bad turn of events?

Beyond that we don't know if more was going on, if more was at stake, if there was a top secret reason for the debacle. Something the public can never hear about.

You can't presume to know everything, and to jump to rash conclusions is irresponsible. You and I both know she acts in the interest and safety of murrica.


as for the strengthen many times, you probably think somebody came up to her and begged her or there was some meeting and they told her it was vulnerable and she scoffed or something.

In reality it was probably some paper among hundreds of the same request from embassies that did not have any real reason to be granted.

Or a hundred other bureaucratic excuses could have taken place but the idea that she didnt give a fuck is ludicrous.

what about clinton cash?

>shills think they can make this a partisan issue
>implying anyone here isn't woke to the fact that it doesn't matter
Classic retard. Stay on reddit/kikebook.

She's actually amazingly good looking. Wow.

Solid post my man, electing Clinton means we're still involved in this new cold war with Russia, overthrowing secular dictators in favor of radical Islamist's who will eventually point their guns at us.

Wtf i love Trump now
JK i always loved him

Do you actually believe anything that you just said is even remotely feasible?

Trump is gonna hang politicians?
Civil war?
A coup?

Are you fucking kidding me?

Half the country will celebrate or not give a shit a trump impeachment regardless of how it is accomplished.


I should also say I dont think the conduct is unbecoming but again people need to realize the reality of the situation trump will be in.

His hands will be tied.

>the author who spent hours on hours inside the head the trump to write his most successful book on how he approached being successful and managing people says he is a floundering buffoon

As far as intimacy and legitimacy of a person to judge someone character, this author is as good as you can get outside of freinds/family who are obviously biased

It not that Benghazi was attacked you dipshit.

It that in a hours long attack they did nothing and a ambassador was killed.

Please let me know when that happened under bush.

>He cozies up to Putin,
A US/RUS alliance would be a good thing you dumb faggot this isn't 1960 anymore.

Not fully researched on it as of yet, but it seems to be pure greed, which Hilary is known for.

She wanted to get rich and had no presidential aspirations at the time so she operated in moral grey area's.

If you think trump hasnt done the same and worse you are retarded.

Again there are probably moving parts unknowns and outright lies about what went on but the main idea is just making money.

Which you cant blame her for right?
And we don't know how much was Bill clinton acting on his own.

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