> A new law went into effect in Texas on Monday that allows certain students to bring guns into classrooms, with supporters saying it could prevent mass shootings and critics saying the measure will endanger safety on campuses.
>The so-called state "campus carry" law allows people 21 and older with a concealed handgun license to carry pistols in classrooms and buildings throughout public colleges, including the University of Texas system, one of the nation's largest with an enrollment of more than 214,000 students.
>The law took effect on the 50th anniversary of one of the deadliest U.S. gun incidents on a college campus, when a student named Charles Whitman killed 16 people by firing from a perch atop the clock tower at the University of Texas at Austin, the state's flagship public university.
Texas may be less than 50% white, but at least you have the constitution!
Alexander Brown
The only legitimate worry I would have is that your average American is fucking stupid, and will probably grope and fondle his concealed sidearm throughout the day. Or lose it in the toilet. Or discharge it into someone's head because he thought it was empty, bro.
The law itself doesn't change a thing, as it's not as if anyone who was going to murder a load of people intentionally are going to be somehow encouraged by this.
Tyler Bennett
I had to go to a feminism talk for extra credit in classes. I asked the lecturer if she felt women would be more safe if they were allowed to concealed carry on campus
Daniel Allen
It means people can shoot back at would-be mass shooters asshat
Henry Howard
What did she say?
Hunter Williams
wut. The majority of the people who conceal carry are responsible. Their not itching for the chance to shoot someone.
Ryder Nguyen
How do you spot the shooter when everyone's running around with their handgun out?
Dylan Carter
Statistics gathered by Texas show that ccw holders commit crimes at 1/5 the rate of the average citizen. You'd be 5 timrs safer in a room with all legal ccws than normal people.
We did it, boys. We're turning around the anti-gun bullshit. In 20 years, when we have no school shootings, we are literally going to be the proof that gun control doesn't work.
well, this makes it easier to go on a killing spree
Landon Diaz
Did she call you mysogynist or dis she bullshit her way out of the question, because I know she didn't answer that shit.
William Price
>you hear the shooting >run toward it with your handgun out >shoot the gunman >you shot another person who was playing police officer
I think you should be able to conceal carry where you want, unless the person who owns the property thinks otherwise. However, I don't think the reasoning should be for anything other to protect yourself and those around you, not going hunting for spree shooters.
The former SAS soldiers doing private security during that Kenya shopping centre shooting grabbed their charges, drew their sidearms and got out of there. Which is exactly what anyone with sense would do. I don't care if someone else is getting killed, I'm not shooting back unless he's after me.
Christian Jones
good idea: now the mass-shooters will take their killing to parks and museums and gyms instead of schools. we're truly reverting to the wild west now.
Benjamin Rivera
Colorado has allowed CHL carriers to bring guns onto school campuses for years, despite what happened at Columbine.
Jeremiah Perez
You are the average citizen. This is the problem. You carry a firearm, which you are well within your rights to do. Good for you, honestly.
It doesn't make you a security expert, marksman, counter terrorist operative, judge, soldier or police officer. It should be used to protect yourself and those who rely on your protection, not for you to run around trying to solve crimes.
Dylan Green
There's no point in trying to get through to Brits. They know zero about firearms or American gun culture but concoct fantasies to fill in their knowledge gaps because they're an arrogant people.
Camden Brooks
Places where conceal carry is already legal
Angel Nguyen
>Paris
Xavier Martinez
she said something about the US having a culture of violence not wanting to enable that
Parker Collins
Texas here, go to Uni in Houston.
About once a week I get a security email alert that some student got robbed (yes they are mostly blacks). Texas gun culture is pretty civilised, all the people I have met that own guns are law abiding citizens and respect it as a tool.
Ryder Cruz
If your campuss has on-site dorms
sorry but not sorry i dont think you should be allowed to carry, and shouldn't have any firearms on premises (your RA and a few others have access to your dorm, it's not logical)
If theres a dorm, theres booze, where there's booze, theres arguments.
>only if you have a CCWP oh neat, i'm somewhat OK with this
Ayden Nguyen
I have a CCP and I know I get butt fucked extra hard if I pull out my gun for a non good reason
Sebastian Walker
>conceal carried in northern ireland, which is where i live >no problems with it because the people here are more reasonable than americans
I don't care if you carry a gun or not. It's none of my business. Just don't take it upon yourself to use it in any scenario you see fit, because you're just a fat retard who likes action movies like everyone else.
Now go practice your thousand yard stare in the mirror.
William Ross
>Inb4 nogs turn schools into more gang-war turf
Connor Wilson
This isn't open-carry share your firearm day. the one shooting doesn't have his gun holstered.
David Brooks
Do ccw holders typically shoot people in the head by accident t when they're walking around the streets? No.
Being in a classroom doesn't make a difference.
Caleb Murphy
>21 and older
So what? Mass shooters don't just go apeshit, they plan things for weeks. Not allowing guns isn't going to stop them.
Charles Clark
Exactly, brandishing a firearm is already illegal. Furthermore consuming alcohol while carrying or carrying on the premises of a business who's primary income by is by selling alcohol by the glass, a bar, is also already illegal. Ccw holders are already on average the most law abiding citizens, the went through the legal steps to get a license in the first place.
Ryan Allen
Idiot. This is mutual assured destruction. Anybody who tries to use a fire-arm in that environment will get IMMEDIATE retaliation.
Therefore, mass shootings would no occur.
Angel Diaz
It makes me a god damned red blooded American is what it makes me.
Come and take it
Angel Morales
>uses phrases like "average citizen" to describe people outside of his john wayne fantasy world
Logan Davis
which is why they have them all the time in Switzerland, right kraut?
(dumbass)
Adam Cooper
Fucking bong go play with your knives.
Be careful not to cut yourself.
Carter Richardson
Switzerland hasn't allowed concealed carry since the mid 1980s.
Northern Ireland is probably the only place in western or northern Europe, aside from Estonia IIRC, where people can routinely and legally CC.
Josiah Anderson
>but at least you have the constitution!
...as of 2016. Even Oregon had open carry for decades.
Josiah Bennett
Licensed American ccw holders have a lower murder rate than unarmed British subjects
Dylan Carter
>one day i will save the girl in my class from a mass shooter and she will FINALLY recognise me
Bentley Mitchell
funny how mass-shootings are only a issue in the usa, the country with the highest density of guns. every country that has banned guns has seen a decrease in murder rates (crime rates will go up, but they are chiefly petty, not murders), yet the usa is not even willing to try out a gunless society. how about this: the government takes your guns and keep track of which guns belong to who; they hold onto the guns for five years and if, after that, murder rates have decreased, the guns are destroyed and you are reimbursed; or, if the murder rate goes up you immediately get your guns back. but nope, won't even consider something like this because of an apparently infallable, 300 year old amendment that could not possibly predict modern firearms.
Jose Morales
>i'm this buttblasted that other people have the right to defend themselves
how would you round up over 300 million firearms peacefully.
how would you prevent people who already aren't allowed to own firearms from continuing to use them.
go shill somewhere else
Austin Barnes
>Texas gun culture is pretty civilised >gun culture >civilised
Gavin Cruz
What does that have to do with you having Robocop fantasies?
I think people should be able to carry whatever they want (as long as the person who owns the property OKs it) to protect themselves and anyone that relies on them for protection. That's their business.
Doesn't mean I trust them to look after me, or want them to. Nor do I think they'll be stopping any spree shootings in the US. Do you use the word "sheepdog" a lot?
Ryder Mitchell
i too live my state
Nathaniel Jackson
my worries
1: HEROS In an active shooter scenario your goal should be to LOCK DOWN THE ROOM YOUR IN AND SECURE ALL SOFT TARGETS
I'm really not looking forward to seeing "swat shot john doe beccuase he thought he knew where the shooter was"
2: Frats my main fear is the schools that have on-site living situtations, and the frat houses because they are basically sponsored by alchohol companies, and you're going to have that faggot who plays call of dooty and thinks he knows everything about guns, and starts waving a striker type handgun around and is confused how he shot someone when he never turned the safty off.
Bentley Perry
Controlling for population the USA doesn't have the most mass shootings per capita
Hudson Parker
Yes, because mass shooters frequently target people in areas where they're legally allowed to carry firearms. It never happens in schools, theatres, and nightclubs. I am now a #CruzMissile
Adrian Jenkins
god bless texas
Landon Lee
Check my posts my African friend. I live in the only part of the UK where you can CC legally and easily.
You live in the overspill of the Mexican drug war and think you're some sort of enforcer.
Jacob Ramirez
This dude killed 5 police officers who are armed, better equipped, better trained and wear body armor.
Sad fact is that most likely guns on campus aren't going to stop mass shootings. What will most likely happen is more people getting killed in the cross fire.
Hunter Hill
You are putting words in other people's mouths. Nobody said ccl holders would or should pursue criminals
Joshua Ross
>What are area's where lots of people congregate for 1000 Alex?
Yes and in the middle east they bomb markets, also where people tend to congregate.
Chase Watson
>highly emotional young adults having a gun on them at all times
This won't end well.
David Ross
This has never happened. Meanwhile dozens of would be massed killers have been stopped.
Liam Ramirez
IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA YOU CANNOT BRING A FIREARM INTO A SCHOOL OR A CLUB
YOU CANNOT CARRY IN SELECT THEATERS BECAUSE THEY SERVE BOOZE
LEARN YOU SOME FACTS YOU DAMN LEAF
Jace Sullivan
They already could. Now there's just one more building they can bring it into.
Camden Allen
>guns didn't stop this one particular shooting committed by a combat trained individual >therefore guns can not stop shootings ever You're literally committing rape against logic and reason
Landon Robinson
UT student here.
The student body is going wild over this. I have seen dozens of fb posts about how 'disgusted, ashamed, and scared' everyone is. It's so absurd. Conceal carry was already allowed on campus, this just extends it to classrooms and buildings with more specific rules. The dean even said he expects less than 1% of the student population to even get a cc license...
The main argument against it is that if there ever IS an active shooter, we'll have a bunch of white male vigilantes engaging in a violent shootout like a fucking saloon in the old West. That's what everyone is actually afraid of. They would rather just be helpless victims in a shooter situation. They would rather have their lives in the hand of the maniac with no defense whatsoever.
I will not be campus carrying, but I am friends with a few guys who are obsessed with guns... And I would feel LOADS safer if he was sitting next to me in class.
I don't fucking understand people.
Brayden Richardson
Good point and no doubt most of those holders are responsible, but I can see things like painful breakups, bullying and fistfights escalating quickly with easier access than ever to a gun. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Connor Bell
They would rather be defenseless sheep. They have been taught from a very young age that you cannot defend yourself.
Cameron Green
This ensures Muslims or faggot ass flakes who want to go on shooting sprees cannot claim anymore than 3-5 victims.
Gavin Moore
You are a meming retard. Every gun owner I've seen is extremely responsible. That shit doesn't happen so why will it happen now because in one state you're allowed to conceal carry in a school?
Jonathan Robinson
>The only legitimate worry I would have is that your average American is fucking stupid
Brits don't have guns so I understand your ignorance when it comes to weaponry, but in America all civilians who conceal carry are required, by law, to undergo conceal handgun carry training (which is usually a week of instruction from an instructor on proper use and handling of a firearm).
The ones who have the right to carry have been approved by a trainer and receive a conceal carry license. It's like learning how to drive but with guns.
Christopher King
>Gun owners are always well disciplined with their fire, and responsible, and when accidents happen nobody innocent get hurt or killed. There are far more accidents with firearms that kill people than mass shootings.
I'm fine with people carrying if they are trained, well disciplined, and know what they are doing but typically they are not. In the state I live in, (Indiana) getting your CCW requires no training, just a background check.
I'm not even anti gun, I'm just saying that the chances of this actually stopping an active shooter vs causing more accidental or heat of the moment or premeditated shootings is pretty low.
Nicholas Moore
In Texas training is required, and you have to apply for a CHL.
Charles Smith
Accidental shootings are also extremely rare. Especially by people who carry.
Ryan Thompson
We're talking college juniors here, not highschoolers. And in texas you need a clean record and have to pay for a class and test. Obviously this doesn't mean any given ccl holder is perfect, but significantly better than the average adult. Chances are there won't be a single campus death as a result of this law.
Christopher Mitchell
>Every gun owner i've seen. You probably haven't seen that many people than. I worked with a guy that shot himself in the foot cleaning his gun, I worked with another guy who anciently shot his brother (he survived) in a hunting accident.
Angel Jenkins
Accidents occur when using a firearm
Concealed carry means its literally illegal to even pull it out unless you're already in danger.
You can find 3 videos of lightning strikes as well
Leo Perry
Niggers will literally bring guns and start shootouts over fried chicken and gang-related shit.
Joshua Bailey
>these super fucking old videos
got anything recent?
William Edwards
Niggers don't have ccl. They also don't go to college much
Eli Williams
>Texans have to take a class Your mean the 4 hours of "this is how you use a gun" and:
Total of 50 rounds fired at a B-27 target (45" high x 24" wide) Score of 175 out of 250 possible points (70 percentile) required to pass Shooting stance from the ready position where firearm is already in a position to fire
I mean its better than nothing but it means you can miss 30% of the time, in stance, already sighted, and not in a panic, not with adrenaline, not with someone shooting back at you at the same time. I mean you probably get better training on CoD. It takes more training to drive a car.
Gabriel Butler
>be in Uni class with ~50 people >hypothetical mudslime with an AK and body armor walks in and blocks the door >begins to kill each student one by one, toying with them and putting more rounds in dead bodies to make sure no one is pretending
Solution a: >no one has the means to defend themselves >a couple of athletes lunge at the attacker, but are immediately shot down >police are informed of a hostage situation, take their sweet time >once authorities finally breach the room, all 50 students are dead and the attacker shot himself
Solution b: >mudslide starts taking out students one by one >that weird kid in the corner with a buzzcut and a camo jacket whips out a pistol, takes a knee, and kills the attacker >45 lives saved
Solution c: >same as b except the dumbass military kid misses/hits body armor, and is killed >everyine still dies before cops came but at least we had a chance at ideal solution b
This is how I look at it. Even if there are two conceal carry guys in the same room, I don't see how the situation would devolve into a shootout where innocents are being killed by cc holders.
Cooper White
I hate idiots like you who try to use false statistics or skewed statistics to conflagrate a non-issue.
Using just 2015 as an example of "Gross Negligence", I'd say for having roughly 150,000,000+ firearms in America and 318,900,000+ people in America, 59 infant deaths is not that bad.
0.0001% of toddlers in America shoot someone each year. That's lower than any other fatal statistic I can think of.
Jacob Young
Cars are much more complicated to use and dangerous to yourself and others than handguns
Andrew Walker
I should hope so, there are 100,000's of lightning strikes a year in the US.
Charles Sanchez
Do you need a license in texas to carry a gun around?
Mason Ross
A vastly larger number than gun accidents each year.
We should ban lightning, and have lightning-free zones to be honest, familio
Brandon Reed
These uncontrolled lightning strikes are threats to our children. Why don't you think of the children?
Jace Lee
Except that no other civilized country in the world has a statistic of number of toddlers who shoot people. I mean, I haven't checked but i'm pretty sure Japan had 0.
I mean imagine if Graco sold a playpen that accidentally killed 51 kids a year.
Sebastian Turner
While Texas is being overrun with non-whites, what could possibly go wrong.
Luis Cooper
>I can't make an argument so I shitpost.
Connor Harris
>be american >get shot www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjlgUx7_aN0
Austin Perez
Oh you're one of those people.
Adam Barnes
So would the other people with guns have theirs holstered while the guy was shooting? What would the point be of having them then?
Christian Jones
There are no arguments that can sway us in favor of gun control. You will never change any of our minds.
Oh you're an anti-gun bitch who's so sissified and afraid of a fucking TOOL that he cowers at the thought of going to a college where responsible adults are protecting them from jihadists and the mentally ill.
You ever grow up in an environment where independence and work for self-preservation was mandatory? Of course not. People like you usually don't.
Ryder Bennett
>not for you to run around trying to solve crimes. Literally nobody is arguing that this is what CC is for.
Wyatt Sullivan
How the fuck can there be over 200,000 people enrolled at a single University
what the fuck
Josiah Perez
T E X A S
Jack Smith
Multiple campuses in different cities, online course takers. It's for the whole system not just the Austin campus
Jackson Clark
The point of carrying a gun is to save YOUR life. If someone shows up and starts shooting directly in front of you and you shoot him and as a result a lot of other people don't die, thats great. If they aren't in your immediate vicinity, you GTFO. This is taught in every handgun carry course.
