Can we just take a moment and appreciate that, for whatever anyone thinks about the quality of DC Rebirth, DC has had ZERO PR DISASTERS so far.
I don't know if anyone remembers 2011 and the lead-up/first months of New 52, but it was a fucking shit show.
This alone makes me more hopeful that we're in for a better era of comics.
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>had ZERO PR DISASTERS so far.
way to jinx it, what are they gonna try to rush out late friday to avoid the news cycle now
Wonder Woman pants.
Superman/Lois breakup articles.
Whatever the fuck Teen Titans was supposed to be.
Supergirl's diaper.
The first few months of Red Hood.
2011 through 2013 was basically a daily PR disaster for DC. Everyone shits on The Outhousers for being anti-DC clickbait, but there was a very good reason that they made that "__ days since DC fucked up" thing, and its because during that period, it felt like every week there was a new case of a writer walking out and screaming about editorial incompetence or issue with someone saying something at a con or what have you.
DC kinda got their shit together since then though.
People were upset over the Superman trunks.
People thought Batman would be starting all over with Dick as a teen Robin.
Wonder Woman: Pants? No pants?
52 titles are way too many. (This is I agree with, DC Explosion all over again.)
It's too edgy.
Rooftop sex!
Too edgy!
Lost character histories!
Edgy!
Just to name a few. I agree with some. DC didn't find their footing again until Forever Evil brought back the campier elements of the DC universe and DC You, while a failure, brought some really solid titles.
Plus all the creators who thought they were the creative teams but were actually just pitching actively aired their shit in public.
No one is doing that now.
That's only sjws and casuals crying
>so far
And therein lies the problem.
>This alone makes me more hopeful that we're in for a better era of comics
You for real?
Oh god, I forgot about that Catwoman title.
Plus cancelling Batman, Inc.
Plus Amazon rapists/murderers (which immediately followed that whole Wonder Woman has a father stuff).
Yeah, sjw's were complaining about Superman getting "cucked."
I don't mind the Zeus retcon, but the rapist amazons felt like it was trying to go Game of Thrones without any real substance. Liked the run, but what the hell?
I don't mind the father stuff either, but it definitely caused a bunch of negative press.
There was some good stuff in the New 52, but all the bad PR was like a wet blanket.
Anyone remember when DC had a contest to draw Harley Quinn committing suicide, but they accidentally held the contest during Suicide Prevention Week? Good times.
>the lead-up
If we're counting the lead-up then the Shelly Bond and Eddie Berganza PR disaster took place during the lead-up to Rebirth.
You have been proven wrong.
Apologize.
What? I seemed to have missed that particular fuck up.
And yet the initial 52 output had three black male leads, a good number of female leads, a latino led comic, 2 if not 3 lgbt led comics, and diversity in genre. All of that was squandered by the likes of Janelle Asselin and DC Women Kicking Ass and Comic Alliance and Chris Sims and others with a grudge because they couldn't or no longer could get work from DC.
Also the Harley Game boy story came out in 9/11
SuperMan cucked where?
I remember the contest and it causing controversy, I missed on that detail though.
I refuse to believe this happened.
Your point being what? That sjws are cannibalistic?
The SJWs were happy about Wondy pants and no one but us nerds were bitching about Supergirl's ugly costume design. I don't even think the SJWs were aware of Slut-fire.
>Zero PR disasters
That's not saying much on DC's behalf considering how the internet is liable to jump down their throats and overreact about goddamn anything. Tumblr could wake up on the wrong side of the bed and decide that DC's dogwhistling for MRA guys based on nothing.
It happened. Jim Lee had to come to P&C rescue. Palmiotti wrote a long as fuck apology on FB and the Harley #0 Director's Cut issue had ANOTHER apology. Man what a shitfest that was
Oh it definitely happened. I remember it fondly. It was around that time that this image was created and it went back to 0 at least a couple of times a week.
I'm just glad New 52 is finally over.
I mean that's really not saying much considering how much of nothing Rebirth is trying to do. It's been just a couple of mediocre storylines and costume changes so far.
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>But DC's latest art contest, featuring popular villain Harley Quinn, they're offering lucky artists the chance to begin their careers in the industry—if they can effectively draw a naked woman preparing to kill herself.
>The contest comes on the eve of National Suicide Prevention Week, and many comics fans are outraged.
Holy fuck, who in Odin's name approved this?
no one is mentioning all the editorial disasters, perez leaving superman, diggle getting and not getting a run on Action comics, gail simone fired over email, the damoenite shit, the young justice line.
no one cares about things that will affect the actual quality of the comics
The best part of the "find new undiscovered artists" contest was that the winner had almost a hundred comics under his belt, some of which were DC.
>if they can effectively draw a naked woman preparing to kill herself.
Who thought this was a good idea?
There's a small group of people on twitter who are forever-mad about Berganza's continued employment and they're going to mention it whenever they can.
and they should be, aside from whatever sexual harassment claims are made against him, Berganza is a horrible editor
Oh man. Good times
I defended them
Good, maybe they'll finally get rid of him.
He's pure shit as an editor.
as they should be
And they should be. He's a terrible person and terrible editor.
To be fair, the subject was a great pick. The timing - eh, a little unfortunate.
Why tho?
who's been editing all the rebirth books? i haven't even looked
His books are selling just as much as anyone else's, so it's not happening. There's so much mediocrity that one has to be sales poison to get dropped.
>The first few months of Red Hood.
What?
>not muh Starfire
Characterfags need to be dragged in the streets and shot.
Because I thought they were good writers and nothing bad could came out of that. I was a pretty dumb casual at the time. How do I regret it
>>not muh Starfire
Oh did people not like slutfire?
Titans isn't under Berganza anymore!!! we have a chance
I agree. It's a very nice idea and I admit the non-pc aspect of it is also good.
I personally wouldn't even mind the bad timing.
But I'm sure DC would if they realised it beforehand. Which makes it hilarious.
Starfire was grossly mischaracterized and very sexualized
>grossly mischaracterized
I liked her
So what does Berganza edit in Rebirth?
Aside from the cartoon, Starfire was always sexualized, and a reboot is as good a time as any to change a character's personality. I'll agree that they should have made her more like Toonfire, which they eventually did with her solo.
Go back to Tumblr
Emotionless girl who just offers sex to not talk about things isn't very good, user, especially when her character is being very passionate, emotional, and strongly associating sex with emotions
Supes and Lanterns.
>a reboot is as good a time as any to change a character's personalit
To the exact opposite of what her character was before, i.e. the reason people liked her in the first place?
Starfire was corrupting those poor kids that just wanted to read about a the character from the cartoon.
>This image is nearly 5 years old
Time flies.
She was extremely emotionally damaged
They all were
That was the point
What's your point? The vast majority of DC's PR disasters in the early days of the New 52 had nothing to do with SJWs.
Yes, and people didn't like that.
That was what people cried about in addition to her offering sex to shut Roy up before casuals caught on and got angry at how sexual she was.
I can hear your fat cuntlips flapping.
Yeah and people got angry because a passionate and emotional character being shown as emotionally damaged to the point of being emotionless is fucking stupid.
Might as well create a new character if you gonna change a character that drastically.
Aw, why so angry at my explanation? Do you always get this triggered?
That explains a lot.
Superman was actually good though and by all odds Green Lanterns managed to not be shit.
this is like the 3rd doomsday/death of superman thing they've done!
>Supergirl's diaper
wut?
I'm not angry. It was just a really loud sound.
If your immediate reaction is to jump to petty insults then you really are pretty [trigger]ed.
The red crotch thing on her suit that didn't even connect to the blue leotard right was the stupidest thing about her outfit with the knee holes on its rear.
>Cancelling Batman Inc
Nigga...
>I am a cartoonfag please do not respect my opinion
for you
So now why are people saying I think this when I'm just answering the user's question?
Right? She didn't freak out over mustard a single time, c'mon DC!
...
Being an emotionless person isn't who comic Starfire is. In fact the cartoon toned down her passion in favor or ramping up her naivety.
Eh, but some of that was Voodoo, which was trash.
Because Sup Forums is full of easily triggered retards who have poor reading comprehension
>but but but I understand what Tom King writes!
Good for you.
It's okay to be embarrassed, user. I forgive you.
I don't remember her being emotionless in RHATO. She was actually very caring and her relationship with her sister was finally fixed.
They still employ Eddie Berganza so they're just one consistent fuck up until they oust him
Just the first few issues which is when people complained.
Then Lobdell "explained" why she was like that, changed her sleeping with Jason to Jason just lying about that, and started to tease a relationship with Roy.
Ron Marz's villain protagonist Voodoo was all right, then they ruined it.
Adding one more Eddie Berganza comment.
He is literally the only bad thing at DC right now and I'm still pissed that he's employed.
I'd say Harras too but then I remembered that Johns is basically doing his job.
Weren't there cases where creators went out of their way to not have their books edited by him? Like, wasn't there something with Rucka? I'd say that's a huge fucking problem if your writers pointedly avoid on of your editors, but I'm not sure about the facts.
But even if that's untrue, his office did fuck up the Superman line and the Teen Titans.
Jurgens, Tomasi, Humphries, and Venditti have no problem though.
Harras, Didio and Berganza all need to be fired for DC to have a future.
>Jurgens
>Humphries
>Venditti
You see the problem here, don't you?
At least at the start of the series, her entire personality was essentially just being a slut. Being slutty and having a personality in addition to that is fine. She did not.
She was gonna get better, they were gonna help each other. That was also the point.
+ Lobdell
Well, some don't have a choice obviously, since somebody's gotta write Superman.
Humphries has an exclusive for some reason. That wasn't a Berganza decision, that's above his paygrade.
Let's not forget the fact that she literally had goldfish memory where she only had short term memory. Another thing that was quickly retconned away, but drew a whole lotta hate at the time.
And people didn't like that she had to "get better" when she could've been just fine in the first place.
And they were right to get mad since Lobdell is too shit a writer to do it convincingly and well enough.
You're forgetting how this was supposed to be looney toons level of cartoony violence.
Goldfish memory is what fans called it. Her deal was that her people remembered senses, but not names. She didn't forget any of the experiences.