Why are so many continentals happy with the idea of being ruled from Brussels?
Is it because borders have changed so many times on the continent there's no real sense of nationhood?
Is it because WW2 put you off patriotism?
Do continentals just not value sovereignty, freedom and individualism as much as the British?
Is it because you identify as 'European'? What even is European identity? It just sounds so forced to me.
Please explain to a British Brexiteer.
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I despite the EU with every cell of my body, fuck those leeches
Probably only for their vacations
good goyim
Most people have no idea what the EU even does.
>Fourth Reich
>Bad thing
DANKE MERKEL
I'm afraid you might be a minority in Germany with that view, Hans
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It's a terrible idea. Germany can't be trusted with themselves let alone an entire continent.
This is a country that elected Merkel.
EU would be a good thing if it was actually a Federal Union and not a loose union governed by special interest lobbyists and European banking cartels.
Also it is quite obvious that certain countries in it have more power than others at the executive level.
Dude, they don't charge on the phone now.
That's just perception. That perception is maintained by the leftist media. Ask the Dutch, or the French. They voted against "meme"bership in 2005, yet it's ignored. The Brits have done so recently, that will be ignored too. The EU will fall, after Trump wins the elections and takes back the USA from the cabal that runs it at present.
>pic related.
> vote against membership when you are already a member
i think you mean we voted against a european constitution wich later got jewed into the treaty of Lisbon.
Why would a Federal Union be good? Our countries are nothing alike. It worked in the US because they all spoke English and had similar cultures: even then they had to fight a bloody civil war for it.
I don't think a federal Europe (German model would work). In that respect I think Frits Bolkestein is right, like him or not.
A lot of brainwashed faggots I've met thinks that banding together will make them a global superpower on par with America
>muh freedom of movement
I don't mean a continent occupied by Germany
late gen-x and millennials who are becoming a notable voting bloc don't remember a world without the EU so they don't know how things operated before it--making them extremely susceptible to pro-EU propaganda.
I like Europe, I don't like the EU.
Because they're scared, at least the brits have some balls
>Merkel
>elected
American education
>implying
I guarantee you it got a lot worse since 2012.
Hillary clinton if she gets elected would seek stronger relations with the
Eu and even a FTA that will make both the Usa and the Eu to prosper, while
Britain will be in an econmic depression due to it's brain drain and emigration of its brightest minds. Many minorities will leave britain due to the depression and will seek
sanctuary in the new prospering Eu or America.
Drumpf says he wants to make america great again well he can start making things in America for once
>I am Hillary Clinton and I approve this message
#ImWithHer #Hillary4POTUS #Clinton2016
Enjoy not being controlled by bureaucrats in brussels
They're lemmings. They would rather see the continent burn in EU fire than take risks. They truly believe that being nice to savages will make them be nice in return.
Instead they'll be club over the head and replaced. Doing anything remotely in the interest of your country will immediately have you branded a racist by the media and you'll never get anywhere in life. You'll likely be killed by Muslims which will consequently be celebrated by leftists, cases in point Pim Fortuyn and Theo van Gogh.
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These, probably. Personally I like the idea of having close relationships and cooperation with other European countries, but clearly the EU is way too much
I don't get why Europeans want to 'rival' the US. We're all supposed to be allies.
Long live Anglo domination.
It's mostly because the narrative in the media is so completely different from reality.
People don't think of the EU as an institution that rules over you. They barely know what it is. Most think that it is like a club you can join to get free gimmidats and good relations to neighbors and nobody is against that.
without HRE, EU4 would have been boring
Brainwashing by (((the media)))
They are given european funds to expand their businesses in exchange of passing european laws. People spend the funds to buy machinery or whatever and are told a couple ears later to give the funds back + interests because "the acrivity was not included in the funding program". You end up with bankrupt companies and european legislation. Fuck the EU
In your dreams, Sven al-Abdullah
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EXplain a little dude
>brain drain
Mudslime departures don't qualify as under this category.
People only like it in theory.
Nobody likes the way the EU actually turned out.
At the very most people think it the EU can be fixed (spoiler: it can't)
HRE just made EU4 diplomacy a major headache.
Because they are gay
The BBC gets EU funding and is extremely biased.
Quite frankly I'm amazed we won given that hurdle. Gives hope to you other countries though.
Death to the EU, long live Europe.
Brussels should be raised to the ground and Merkel should be convicted for treason.
because we like German money.
A farmer.
>Eu
>leeches
lol you literally dragooned everyone into it for your own benefit
would be just fine without:
1. the common currency & related bs
2. cucked borders (the illegal influx could be ended in a matter of HOURS if there was will)
3. commission being the only one who can propose legislation
Why even in theory though? It's a horrible idea.
A continent as diverse as Europe cannot be ruled from one place and nor should it be. It's those damn eternal Krauts again.
by and large, people believe what you tell them to
Heh
That's more like it
You dodged a fucking bullet mate, twice. First when you didn't join the Euro and second when you left the EU.
>Why even in theory though?
Because in theory it could bring economic benefits.
I like it because now I can order clothes and electronics from Germany without tariffs, VAT and dealing with custos, I like it because I studied abroad on Erasmus paid with EU money, I like it because I can travel around in Europe without a passport and not wait in lines at some border with plebs sweating to death in the summer heat, I like it because I don't need to take travel insurance when going abroad because I have an EU medical insurance card, I like the EU/EMU because we don't have double digit inflation and interest rates at 15 percent...
There are a shitload of reasons to like the EU.
They really don't, however they do like the idea of forming a more powerfull economic collectve and working together between the countries.
The way the leadership works though is one of the main criticisms for the EU
You mistake the point of free trade. It's not intended to benefit anyone other than wealthy people and companies.
Germany never asked for the EU.
It was forced on them as punishment for WW2.
Germans can't help being harder working and more efficient than the rest.
Because the EU still worked decently 10 years ago. Now it's shit
The Eu never worked.
People just didn't care becasue the world economy was booming.
>I like the EU because I save a tenner here and there and I don't need to queue as often
EU should not be a political union
Union soldier in this edit should have a turban
If Europe was an 'optimal currency area'.
It isn't.
Something like the EU might've worked for northern/western countries but Brussels got greedy.
Because half the voters are female and naturally like the idea of being controlled. The rest are cucked feminine men who like the idea of being controlled...
That's the real problem of the EU. All the member states have distinct cultures that go back centuries or even millennia. They also have widely different political orientations and histories. If Europe federalized today or in the near future it would lead to extreme tension and division. It would make the so-called "populist crisis" happening now look like nothing.
At best a Federal EU would be dysfunctional and breed hatred. At worst a Federal EU would turn into the Yugoslavia of the 1990s on a European wide scale in 30 or 40 years.
It's not about saving money only. It's about freeing my time up for more valuable things, avoiding problems and making my life better.
The EU also has broken up national monopolies and given me more choice on where to work, where to live, what to eat and so forth. If you don't value such things then you are a total pleb.
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exepto francum
>Germans can't help being harder working and more efficient than the rest.
The EU and the euro are both structured to benefit Germany's manufacturing based economy at the expsense of everyone else's
No it's not the real problem. The real problem is incompatible economies under one currency.
Failure from the start.
You know you can still live in other countries and eat other countries food without the EU, the former just requires a little more effort.
The retarded university student reasons and shit like
>"oh I want to work in a quaint little cafe in Paris and eat baguette for a year"
Is not a reason to drop the whole country's pants and bend over for Junker
>more choice on where to work, where to live, what to eat and so forth
>all the young and/or educated people from the poorer EU states move to the wealthier states to live and work
>Poorer EU states lose human capital needed to improve their countries and thus remain impoverished
>Influx of cheap foreign labor undercuts wages, especially for low skill workers, in wealthier countries
>income inequality increases in the wealthier countries.
Because a united continent is a good idea and the natural progression from villages -> cities -> kingdoms -> nationstates.
Not everyone is a useless collectivist whose only source of pride is that he got born.
Some like to be able to drive from one side of the continent to the other, and enjoy, experience, buy and sell their skills anywhere they like inbetween.
That simple.
Because these are "me" times and nobody can be bothered checking the veracity of media.
>It's easier to travel because I don't have to show my passport
>I don't want to change money on holiday
>economy is good with EU
>everything would cost more outside the EU (forgetting the exchange rate offered for the Euro for fl)
>security and stability
>look at brexit, their economy is doing bad just like nu said
>only a racist like wilders wants to be out of the EU and that means it's racist
etc.
Its all the problems. Its a giant problem.
>Some like to be able to drive from one side of the continent to the other,
You can still do this you doublenigger, just take your passport with you.
That is completely false. With the EU/EEC came standards and regulations that freed up the markets so that it was even possible to buy foreign goods for reasonable prices. Countries not in the EU like Switzerland and Norway also comply with them so that they can trade with us.
Living in other countries, studying and working there also was a big fucking hassle.
Young people who voted for Brexit don't remember what a fucking hassle there was in day to day life without all the things that are taken for granted today, like how expensive it was to call someone to another country in Europe, how difficult it was to import machinery and all the bureaucracy you needed to deal with and a lot of other shit.
>The EU also has broken up national monopolies and given me more choice on where to work, where to live, what to eat and so forth.
Also pretty much killed whatever industry the smaller countries had,but thank god you can eat souvlaki easier/cheaper :^).
we were LITERALLY FORCED to join the EU after the reunification, because YOU and the French wanted to keep us down. Our old currency had only half the worth of the Euro which made us export gods.
Look what happened you just cant suppress us with your devious methods, anglo scum.
>natural progression from villages -> cities -> kingdoms -> nationstates.
If that were true then there would be huge empires everywhere.
But in reality large empires tend to collapse under their own inefficiency.
See: Persian empire, British empire, Ottoman empire, USSR.
The optimal country size is about 5 million people, no more.
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Not for us. Finland has grown immensely because of the EU and the ease of exporting our goods globally. I don't know the specifics of Greece but I suspect you wouldn't have that industry either or have it heavily subsidized and live in squalor.
You think you couldn't do those things without the EU? Jesus Christ. No wonder you Remainiacs lost. You're as thick as pig shit.
> Our old currency had only half the worth of the Euro which made us export gods
Oh boy what a retarded statement
>Also pretty much killed whatever industry the smaller countries had
pssst: southern Europe was always shit and always will be.
Because I want us to be the European Federation
the rich states think they help poor states, and poor states think they are rich because of that
because most of you racist fucktards have know idea how politics work
I would be mostly fine if it wasn't for the fucking "refugees" that the EU seems to be keen on taking in. The freedom of movement would be good if they didn't let the "refugees" in that can exploit it. Also EU is totally controlled by people in their ivory towers and the commission is not chosen by direct elections.
Your average voter doesn't really know much about EU or anything else for that matter and that's why socialists are polling so well here atm.
Revamp EU asylum policy to the Japan level and start deporting the muslims who don't do anything else than leech on welfare and do crimes.
Everyone should vote some far right candidates in the EU parliament elections because the participation rate is like 30% in many countries. I didn't vote last time but surely will on the next ones assuming that the EU is still up by that point.
The economic question could be resolved, but it would be extremely difficult.
The culture question on the other hand is the kind of thing that would take hundreds of years to fix.
>Look what happened you just cant suppress us with your devious methods, anglo scum.
t. dindu von nuffins
This.
Greece would have a lower GDP per capita but they would have their local Elleniko Elektroniki making soviet tier goods and that would be a good thing?
Isolationism always leads to shit results.
As soon as Finland joined the EU, your country went from a trade surplus and it gradually declined into the deficit you have today. Additionally, Finland has one of the highest VAT's in the world at 24% and the loss of tariff revenue has helped give Finland a budget deficit today. Quite frankly, I'm not sure when you're referring to with "double digit inflation" in Finland, it must have been before 1980 and the same goes for interest rates.
So you're really saying you like the EU because it's slightly more convenient to travel? You do realize that travel amongst citizens in Europe post WWII was always much easier than to places outside Europe and that working in other European countries was also not difficult? Pleb tier reason bruh.
As an European nationalist and anti-France, I am for an united Europe, but the Europe as it is today is just shit and anti-European.
I think the biggest problem of the EU is that basically nobody knows how many things they take for granted it does.
The second biggest problem is that humanity is inherently vocal about shit they know little about and feel the urge of forming an opinion on literally everything.
You Germans have been the most salty over Brexit because you know it diminishes the EU and hence your power. Don't pretend you're a poor victim of the EU: you are the beneficiary.
That's three times we've defeated the eternal Kraut within a decade.
>pssst: southern Europe was always shit and always will be.
Stop being jelly of our weather and enjoy sunshine brotha.
But on a more serious note.Yeah,we were always kinda shitty and corruption (at least here) was rampant but getting EU really did more harm than good.
This. I also am for the free movement of EUROPEAN people(no gypsies pls), free movement of goods in Europe et.c..
This self-hating white whine killing Europe fucking makes me mad, though. It's not EU specific though with UK and all their Africans, Pakis and Caribbeans.
(You)
Open borders is very useful if Islam wasn't a factor.
i feel ashamed for this german
Just look at Japan, idiot. Even a subhuman like you is more worth than the Yen, because Japan devalues their currency on purpose. Their products become more competitive and the demand rises so their economy continues to grow. Not that hard to understand.