Why do so many people think she is some kind of angry man-hating feminazi?
Wonder woman
Because that's what they remember from the DCAU, where she was portrayed as Miss No Fun Allowed.
Probably because she has no defining personality so you can shoehorn her into any role you please.
well in most storys she starts off as something close to that she just learns to accept her preconceptions are wrong
also that 1 mansplaining line and everything else about that issue for that matter
The one from the old justice league cartoons? She seemed kind of serious/classy but not angry.
Or that time she lifted a guy and threw him out of the way while calling him a walking spetm bank.
>this shit again
This is why I avoid talking about Diana on Sup Forums as much as possible. There's just no discussing things with the willfully deluded.
i dunno out of context that seems pretty cool
She really doesnt have that well defined of a personality. Both batman and superman have a basic mold that most artists adhere to. Wonder woman is just sort of bland and morphs to whatever is needed at that time.
Throwing random people into the street is cool?
>She really doesnt have that well defined of a personality.
Yes she does. We've been over this a hundred times. You say she doesn't have a personality, those who have actually read her books give you a basic outline, you move the gaolposts and make up bullshit reasons why it doesn't count. Rinse, repeat, casuals once again prove what cancerous maggots they are.
Go read a book or kill yourself. I don't care anymore.
well like i said out of context i just assumed it was a villan and it was a low window
Better than snapping their necks.
Tell that to Max Lord's snapped neck.
Wow you are angry that she has no personality huh?
Nope, she was just pissed and he was in the way. Some random guy going to work i assume.
Because they don't know anything about her other than that she's a feminist icon. They just project what they think feminists are onto her.
>tfw Diana will never snap your neck
I would rather she choke my chicken
>#notallfeminists
>those who have actually read her books give you a basic outline
And those who have read her books but aren't fanboy know that that basic outline means dick all and she's been characterized in a dickload of ways.
Marston Wonder Woman is about as fucking far as you can get from how she's often written.
Now fuck off, wanker. WW sucks, which is a pity, because she *could* be a good character. But she is not a good character. She sucks, and has sucked for ages.
That was in ASBR is I recall right.
They don't.
The writers/tumblr on the other hand...
Because Sup Forums is full of angry manbabies. Next question.
It was in all star superman.
Found the feminazi.
its weird she snaped one neck and now they write her as the neck snaping hero
oh yeah that sounds pretty stupid then
Just one? Nigga, are you fucking serious right now?
Cause she doesn't have anything definite about her, DC just keeps her around because she's "iconic".
Because she's either that or a stoic bland prop of a character.
Now commence the Wondyfags trying to save face by accusing everyone of "not reading her comics."
wasent that almost all after lord
Its just seems to be that one guy though in every thread.
Didn't she snap neck or two recently?
You're very behind
Because she is associated with feminism.
Jesus Christ, now that's worse than I could have ever imagined.
This bitch is straight up crazy.
Same reason they think Aquaman is lame. She's not really that popular and better known for parodies of herself than her own personality.
I wouldn't say she's bland, at least not any blander than Superman, it's just every writer disregards the last and spins her their own way. It's a case of "lol didn't read" on the writer level
because newer writers tend to use that a lot
that and her origin
my understanding of what is going on with Wonder Woman is that she started out as a softcore bondage comic with femdom elements. When the writer left the title he mad DC's ownership of Wonder Woman predicated on them continuing to make comics of her. like most golden age character's her characterization wasn't super deep which means that each author has been given a blank check to do whatever they want with her. It is a shame that writers often choose to do stupid things with her but unfortunately that is sort of what happens.
Y'know, the pity of it is, it wouldn't even be hard to write Wonder Woman as an interesting character. Just take a few cues from how fucked up Marston was as a person.
Have her be a loving mistress to the world. Not, like, in an idealistic sense-- In a straight up BDSM one. Have her struggle with the notions of domination, magically binding contracts, and other concepts of power exchange up to and including willing ownership of people in western societies based upon liberty. Have her cause adoration everywhere she goes for all the wrong reasons. Have her understand that love means really fucking up your lover sometimes, and all the angles on that.
Then go back to having her love the whole damn world. Her love should be eldritch and fucking horrifying, in the end-- But still warm, and great, and wonderful.
I like whacky wonder woman from justice league war movie.
That was All Star Batman WW. Millerverse. Every woman is an angry feminist, a whore, or an angry feminist that secretly longs to be a whore the second they fine a "real man".
Or wonderloli
This definitely wouldn't be my first choice of how to make Wondy if I could.
But it's a really interesting and intriguing take that I'd definitely want to read about, bravo user.
I wonder if ww's pubic hairs stick out the bottom of her outfit
How would you do it, then?
It's just such a fucking tragedy WW sucks currently. There's so many *different* ways to make her awesome, given what you have to work with.
i dont know why wonder women discovers ice cream scenes piss people off so much
Because it comes across as animeish, and was literally korra being korra in wonder bread's body.
You're right having her be a lovecraftian monster that inflicts stockholm syndrome on the world is a much better take.
I prefer when she is depicted as xena warrior princess.
I wasn't being sarcastic, dude, I was actually asking him how he'd do it. I am genuinely curious.
And I love how you dismiss all BDSM relationships as stockholm syndrome when that kind of shit inspired WW in the first place. Christ alive.
Sometimes she's been written as one, thankfully she's also been written as kind and warm.
As with everything, it depends on the writer.
>Why do so many people think she is some kind of angry man-hating feminazi?
Because 99% of print comic writers and editors are
Depends on the writers, depends on the shock effect they want.
Also, out of context collage is out of context.
>thankfully she's also been written as kind and warm.
Diana tends to only be kind and warm to women and children. If it's a grown man, she goes into Warrior Mode on instinct. Don't cherry pick, ese.
Depending on the writer - I feel I must repeat.
This is correct.
Name an author where she is sweet and kind to men. She mostly seems to think of them with white man's burden kind of mentality.
>Why do so many people think she is some kind of angry man-hating feminazi?
Because the people who say this don't actually WW comics except for a few out of context images or poorly written out of character moments (like or ) that get posted here and there.
Warrior woman that acts as a kind protector to the world. Nothing extensive, nothing unique , just a clean, stupidity-free take on a woman who enjoys challenge/fights from worthy opponents, tries to avoid combat when not necessary though and wants to help people live more peacefully and with understanding of each other.
IMO fixing Wondy requires fixing the amazons. Because the way they're usually handled, they act as just a device for us to re-read the age-old wondy plot of "you're working with men, you're not one of us" "nu-uh" "yuh-uh" again and again.
So what we do is we de-anti-menify the amazons.
Amazons are ageless, powerful warrior women that are tasked by the gods to protect the world.
They can only give birth to women.
They used to mate by venturing to the world of humans, searching for good mates, seducing them in an one-night-stand, then return home pregnant. -think more lewd nymph style, than azz's amazon rape-. However , they can fall in love and invite someone to live over with them on the island.
This is considered a very noble and sacrificial act from the amazon's behalf because both mother and daughter would have to see a husband/father they love and care for age and die. Househusbandos are buried together with the rest of the amazons.
I also have a subplot in mind that'd allow them to transition from only nymph-like seducing to inviting special people over too. Not sure if there's necessary to be two phases though, it could be both ways from start.
That, then amazons gradually were less and less involved as time went on, world of humans forgot them, some would occasionally venture and help people alone, like rescuing a soldier from a trench , etc, etc. At some point, Diana got heavily involved with fighting a big thread, JL noticed her, she was intrigued, wanted to stay and reestablish connection between human world and amazons, yada yada.
Basically, combat enjoying noble protector that wants to spread peace, with no bad baggage.
>don't actually *read* WW comics
Nah, you find the writer. I can't be arsed.
>Name an author where she is sweet and kind to men. She mostly seems to think of them with white man's burden kind of mentality.
Yeah, remember that episode of Justice League where a virus causes all men on Earth to become sick and near death.
When the world is inherited by women, Diana actually celebrates and tells Hawkgirl that the site is beautiful.
Doesn't get more psychotically man-hating than that.
Only two of these images are from before Infinite Crisis. What does that tell you about the common depiction of Wonder Woman in the last decade? It's shit and most of the Wonder WoMan of Murder stuff is Gail Simone's fault. Help us Greg Rucka.
Cucka is the guy who had her snap Lord's neck.
WW was never in All Star Superman.
I just don't like how irresponsible she comes off as. She's a trained warrior. New to man's world or not, she should know it's not wise to constantly point and swing a sword around.
I should've linked to the poster directly.
There's nothing wrong with a BDSM relationship, but the description that user gives sounds horrific and would be read as horrific. Its something you can't really apply on a mass scale without her coming off as a villain, if a well meaning one.
Can we just admit something?
Wonder Woman doesn't really have a functionality in the JL.
Supes is the strong guy who punches.
Flash is the incredibly-reality-warpingly-fast guy.
Bats is the smart guy.
MM can read minds -so no need for the lasso- and is a shapeshifting, potentially intangible powerhouse.
Cyborg -which I hate- is the techie guy.
What unique element does wondy bring besides fanservice? There's nothing she does that someone else doesn't do a lot better.
True, that is true for many JLers, but none with such a core/prominent role as her. She's supposed to be part of the "trinity" and she's obsolete.
Unbreakable rope for tying.
Honestly yeah.
If you ask someone who never read a comic what so ever what Batman or Superman's defining personality traits are how come up with something about how he's tortured or idealistic. At best she gets 'plucky lass'
Wonder woman is just sort of a 'lesser superman' in both power set and personality traits. she can fly but not really, she's bullet-proof but only kinda, she's doesn't kill people, but it's not she doesn't treat it as that big a deal or anything
I don't know, what personality traits left over from from Linda Carter? That's probably the most well known Incarnation.
>What unique element does wondy bring
Diversity and a woman's perspective.
the JLA's never been the most balanced team in the world. Wondy's powers don't have to complement the team because the JLA is about all of your favorite superheroes hanging out in a clubhouse on the moon and taking on threats that they can't handle alone.
as long as her personality is fun and creates stories, her overlapping a little isn't the end of the world.
You could probably argue her diplomatic prowess. A negotiator role
>Wonder Woman doesn't really have a functionality in the JL.
Which is funny, because Silver Age JLA had a rule about "no power duplications". Not an editorial rule, but a rule from the actual team in the stories.
It's why Hawkwoman couldn't join the team, because she'd be a duplicate of Hawkman.
Wonder Woman was always allowed to be on the team, though, despite the fact that they never explained why her powers weren't considered duplicates of Superman's (at the time she just had super strength, no flight).
There's an analog for her in Mantra and Ultraforce called "Topaz" who literally sees men as inferior beings that should have been killed off somewhere down the evolutionary line. She does later come to respect Hardcase as an equal, but her outlook really doesn't change all that much
Seems like something old fashioned warriors would do actually. For example can definitely imagine hercules smashing stuff because he can.
Wonder woman is jack of all trades and has magic knowledge/ soldier training
I think it comes down to that "The lasso of truth can't stop mansplaining" image and people not reading her comics.
Story time when?
No that's the not quite in the wrong antagonist. See Also snapping Maxwell Lords neck was the right call based on the information she had at the time.
Both Batman and Superman have a range of personalities. They can be as dark as BvS or as light as the Superfriends. The same applies to Wonder Woman.
That's how it works when you're a fictional character, adapted and rebooted over 75 years.
there was nothing wrong with her snaping that one neck it was everything after that thats a problem
Yeah, they can vary in personality and complete subversions exist. But moder batman is almost always the quiet, brooding knight and superman is a farm raised boy with midwestern values.
ok yeah i can kinda see where your coming from with that
Wondy's real problem is that she doesn't have any world famous go-to storylines/arcs that even casuals know by name and immediately point to as "classics".
Batman's got Year One and Killing Joke and Dark Knight Returns and on and on. Even Superman has his Man of Steel by Byrne or For the Man WHo Has Everything or Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow or All Star, etc.
But what does the third wheel of the Trinity have?
Any storyline or arc you point to is not going to ring a bell with a casual. You can say "the George Perez reboot" but no one is going to know the beats of that by heart, not like they would For the Man Who Has Everything or Killing Joke.
Wondy has always been the least important member of the Trinity. Hell, the only reason there's a "trinity" is because Batman, Superman and WW comics were the only ones being publish by National between the end of the Golden Age bubble burst and the beginning of the Silver Age revival.
Actually I always felt Batman is the one who sticks out the most and doesn't serve a real purpose. Wondy is strong and fast. And when your team is constantly going up against global & alien threats you need someone who can hold their own. If the only "muscle" your group is relying on is someone like Superman then you're screwed as soon as some big baddie takes him out. That's why you need other characters like Martian Manhunter & Wonder Woman to help keep your team from getting physically overwhelmed.
Batman, on the other hand, is more of a liability who doesn't bring anything to the table.
He doesn't really work as the "smart guy" when you have other smart characters like Supes and Flash and Cyborg on the team. Also, because Flash and Cyborg are there, it's not like Bats brings a human perspective to the team.
If you want to argue that any character is obsolete, it's Batman. At least the other human characters doesn't need babysitting or plot armor to help them out once there's an enemy to face.
You got to admit that that's a really really dumb rule for them to have but.
Batman is the team strategist. Sure barry is smart, but that doesnt mean he has a mind/brain for tactics.
>You got to admit that that's a really really dumb rule for them to have but.
It was. It got overturned in the Bronze Age.
I think the worst example was having Batman and Green Arrow on the team at the same time. They're both powerless guys who know karate and drive fancy cars. Batman's probably every bit the marksman as Ollie. They really were duplicates of each other in terms of "powers".
Read all-star Batman and robin
Arrow Cave is a stupid name. Arrows don't live in caves.
>Batman is the team strategist
And Wondy is a trained warrior who is very skilled in the arts and strategy of war. If the only thing Batman is good for is him being a "strategist" then there's a stronger/less frail character on the team who can take his place.
Would rather it be called the Quiver?
Wondy is jack of all trades. She is not as strong as superman. Not as fast as the flash, and definitely not as good a strategist as bats. Jack of all trades are good at complementing the overall team, but you dont want them for specific roles.
That....is actually better.
Because lacking good PR, a successful cartoon of her own at the time when that would've been far more successful, or a story that people look at and think of it as definitive or iconic - a single graphic novel that they can go "Yeah, that's her" (and WW:EO is way too recent to count) - people tend to take a brief glance at the Amazons, go "feminazi bitches", and call it good.
This isn't helped by Elseworlds stories which also do this constantly, because they can't think of anything else for Wonder Woman,a nd especially the Amazons, to do.
Superman and Batman got cartoons, Wonder Woman got the Lynda Carter show, Superfriends, and getting to be literally "We don't know what to do with her" according to the JL/U team, as especially evidenced in that piggy episode that ended up being just about fucking Batman again.
Visibility problems and people making assumptions from them. People see "all women island" and get pissed off, instead of wondering why women would want to go live on an island together.
Yes. Harley was right.
>completely ignoring aquaman
>Jack of all trades are good at complementing the overall team, but you dont want them for specific roles.
Then why not drop Batman and make her the team strategist? She's not frail like Batman and can hold her own in a fight. Why is Batman kept around when he's just a liability to the team? And since Cyborg's been brought on, Batman isn't even the tech guy anymore. He serves no purpose that can't be done by another member of the team.
Like i said. Jack of all trades. Batman is much better at tactics and strategy, so why try to force ww to take on that role? It is silly. She is good at a lot of things, but ultimately great at nothing.
because writing female protagonists like that is considered "progressive" by feminists, sjws and liberals so the left leaning, self hating male writers write her as such