Why are the Saw films considered "bad horror"? I have been watching some of them and I find them genuinely disturbing...

Why are the Saw films considered "bad horror"? I have been watching some of them and I find them genuinely disturbing. The "games" are set up so that people have to actually mutilate themselves; the fact that they're given a choice makes it so much more terrifying and visceral. I find these films far more effective and disturbing than a lot of more high-brow horror because I find that I am able to place myself in the shoes of the characters. It's impossible not to imagine yourself in their situation.

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Because any moron can just go WUDNT IT B KEWL IF A GUY DIED LIKE THIS??????????????????????????????????

It's completely irrelevant. They're absolute garbage films. Films. As in, actual film. They're ugly to look at. They're incoherent. They're simplistic. They insult the viewer's intelligence. They bring nothing new to the table. They are fucking garbage.

They are like the tween version of The Collector movies, which are proper terror.

Because they released a new one every year for like 7 years in a row. The first one was good, the others were just rehashes with no soul made as fast as possible because they realised the series was such a cash cow

It's just an edgy gorefest, no artistic merit to it. You are disgusted for a few seconds and that's it, you go eat ice cream afterwards happily "hehe that was disgustingly epic hehe"
Absolutely zero actual horror.

>It's impossible not to imagine yourself in their situation.
I am looking at your picture and and I can't imagine myself to end up in such an edgy high effort situation like that, it's ridiculous.

>The Collector
I bet you are that guy who spams grinder.webm every webm thread

I hope you don't genuinely believe like the filmmakers do that Jigsaw doesn't kill people because he gives them "choices"

We're all going to die anyway. Jigsaw faces the people with deep philosophical questions as to the futility of life.

I find them bad horror because there's pretty much no horror in them. The first one was actually pretty interesting but each sequel after that has just been a gorefest from start to finish.

I'd say it's more torture porn then horror film.

>tfw Jimmy don't understand the bad man

its torture porn

one of the dumber parts of the movie
>the jigsaw killer doesn't actually kill anyone
>he just kidnaps them and puts them in a room where they die, because of the machines that he build
>so he kills them, right?
>no, he doesn't, they could've gotten out of it if they wanted to
wow, so deep.

It's torture porn, which is considered low effort horror

Question is should I marathon them? I have only seen up to 4 when they were released.

He's worse than a killer, he a psychoTHErapist

No it's not you pretty little flower. It's alt-art.

Your favorite trap go!

the studio tricking people into watching this trash and wasting their money, now that was easy.

Giovanni Trappatoni

goddamm the plot is so fucking stupid

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the first movie started off operating under a premise where people are more afraid of death than disfiguring injury (opposite of reality) and a dude setting up "traps" around that premise.

Almost before the first movie ended that entire premise was dropped in favor of convoluted excuses for gore.

They're my guilty pleasure films desu

Gore isn't horror. Just like disgust isn't horror. I don't want to cut my hand off or eat a pile of poo, but those two things are not horror.

capitalism

T. Brainlet

linetrap before the cheap fake tits.

I did it and it was pretty fun. Some traps were pretty clever.

Saw was the ultimate mindfuck. Like Altered States

the first part is okay, 6/10. love the shot from above with the thief (masketta man) and the collector trying to hear each others movement through the wall

A mediocre twist at the end isn't a mindfuck you dumb child.

this

same with people who think house invasion flicks are terrifying. They really really aren't

so tell me, Sup Forums, what is considered great horror? What are your top horror films and why? I haven't seen many genuinely thoughtful horror films ever.

Duh, the boy doesn't understand the story arc.

>It's a smug pseudo-intellectual villain movie

Why was early 2000's horror so fucking garbage?

The intro scene of TDKR was pretty terrifying. It's impossible not to imagine yourself in the situation of a hired gun who is about to be thrown off the plane.

>great horror

oxymoron. The genre is by definition cheap and idiotic and always relies entirely upon character stupidity to establish any sort of "horror" elements.

They're not good films. I love them, but they're really bad.

The first I would say is actually decent, people argue for 6, but it's just B-horror trash, and it's great for it. They make absolutely no sense and are just an excuse for gorn and currrazy plot twists.

The Hunt

one scene has always stuck with me but i dont remember if it was from the first or the second, its when the saw guy is in the guys car waiting for him with the horse mask and jumps up and needles him

vry scary stuff for me because i tihnk i was about 16 when i saw it and i worked at pizza hut, when the lot was empty late at closing i was always really fucking scared after seeing that

Saw 1 is an effective and well made low budget horror film.

Saw 6 with the social commentary about the American insurance industry is a pretty good film.

Saw 3D The Final Chapter is so fucking trashy and campy that it is fun as hell to watch beginning to end.

The rest of the Saw movies are just godawful aside from the kills themselves.

reminder that we have to share a board with people this stupid.

not my favorite but i think the one that makes me cringe the most is the one where someone digs through a pile of syringes

>character stupidity

I'll give you this half of the time. But always? People forget it's incredibly easy to sit chugging coke and stuffing popcorn in your face yelling "WHY WOULDN'T YOU JUST DO X?!"

In real like horrific scenarios, people panic, and you are not exempt.

Audition

yeah i've never liked the knowledge that any random person could ambush you like that and inject you with shit

the twist at the end of 2 is still my favorite, but i sincerely doubt anyone could pull off repeating the idea in this day and age with technology being so much better than vhs

The one "carousel" trap in Saw 6 I found genuinely disturbing. It was the one where they were spinning around, and he had to save 2 whereas the other 4 had to die. It's really frightening seeing the characters beg for their lives and shittalk the others. At the end when they one dude knows he is going to die, that really scares me.

I think this is what scares me the most in movies: when people are about to die, so their real self is revealed and they resort to anything to stay alive, even offering up other people to die. Seeing those last few moments, where their character/morals go completely out the window

What you just described is a gimmick, and what makes them bad movies is that they never achieve anything more than that. The plot of every one of these movies is "We have to catch the evil jigsaw man, ho no, he was too smart for us" set against the same gimmick again and again.

> people are more afraid of death than disfiguring injury (opposite of reality

I'm not sure about that. I mean look at this scene from Saw 2

youtube.com/watch?v=q6w41uDYWSIHow many people would be able to cut out their own eyeball? Even in the face of death that would be insanely hard. I think a lot of people would react in a similar fashion, where they just throw the knife out of frustration. Having to cut out your own eyes would be so viscerally painful that I don't think most people could do it.

Torture porn, not horror

I bet I can defeat The Descent in a fistfight

I found the human centipede more disturbing than almost any other film. I know it's considered dumb, but that kind of "torture porn" - of being forced into that kind of situation - is just more terrifying than more sophisticated horror that relies on metaphors and heavy psychological themes. When you watch a film like the human centipede it's hard not to think "how would i feel in this situation?" and that's where the horror comes from

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in terms of plotholes and story the movies are awful and the concept is really bottom of the barrel. but the execution is well done, the traps are creative and the atmosphere is terrifying. i just think even for a horror series its beyond tasteless, im glad the torture porn trend didnt last long.

The first one had a tiny budget and made millions, I don't blame them

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Gujira's stuff does it for me

i want to fuck this hole

This wouldn't kill you

Everything early 2000s was garbage. Corporate Entertainment realized there could be a formula to success, and spent the decade utilizing imperfect formulas. Consider 00s superhero franchises, fast and furious films, saw, nu-metal, ringtone rap, pop country, etc.

...immediately

the first saw film is great

the sequels are just trash.

These are movies for 13-year old Marilyn Manson fans. Fuck you for even making this thread.

yeah doctors call it a "scream hole" and they fix shit like that all the time. Though you might look horribly disfigured for the rest of your life.

So is the first movie worth watching?

everybody knows saw 3 is a great movie

a little bit of aspirin and some vinegar will fix that shit in no time.

the complicated one that had ice

they were really good until 3(?) where the girl jigsaw broke the rules of the game, then I lost interest

It's torture porn. The first Saw film is quality though.

If Saw is bad then Hostel is bad for the same reasons. Which it isnt

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first movie had a great twist, the others were just cheap flicks

how come the cartel hasn't decided to remake SAW traps yet?

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